Gender Neutral National Anthem

[Ginsy]

 "in all thy sons command" is now "in all of us command." I, for one, am excited. Thoughts? 

Edited February 1, 2018 by Ginsy

[-1=e^ipi]

Why is god in the anthem?
Pourquoi est-ce que la croix ou la foi dans l'hymne?

 

It's a trash anthem and the only reason I sing it is if I'm compelled to by the state or by employers. Schools compel students to sing the anthem in Canada, but I don't see the Jordan Peterson crowd being concerned about that compelled speech by the state.

Edited February 1, 2018 by -1=e^ipi

[-1=e^ipi]

Let's see, Trudeau wants us to

- Fund his and Andrew Scheer's Catholic religion via funding of the Catholic School Systems in various provinces such as Alberta and Ontario.

- Sing to his god, cross and faith in the national anthems.

- Affirm our agreement for the values of his dad's charter, which includes the 'recognition of the supremacy of god' according to the preamble of the charter, which comes before everything including rule of law and the part of the charter that supposedly gives us freedom of speech (but doesn't due to sections 1 and 33).

- Support the monarchy, despite the fact that the monarch is inherently the head of the Anglican Church

- Fund the Aga Khan Organization, which is inherently non-secular as the Aga Khan is the leader of the Ismaili branch of islam.

- Use tax payer money to fund various religious groups including chaplains in prisons and mosques.

- Sell weapons to the awful theocracy of Saudi Arabia, which beheads women that go shopping without a male escort, kills gay people and kills apostates. Also give billions of dollars to religious theocracies that kill apostates and gay people via the 'Green Climate Fund'.

- Not dislike religion. Because if you dislike all religion, then you dislike islam, which is a 'hate' crime. Disliking belief in magic fairy tales without evidence causes their feelings to be hurt. Can't have that.

 

 

In comparison, actual liberals such as myself support the separation of religion and state.

Edited February 1, 2018 by -1=e^ipi

[Michael Hardner]

I thought this was going to be another boring anti-Trudeau post but I was wrong.  It's a very clever anti-Trudeau post.  How the hell ARE we supposed to think about religion anyway ?  This anthem still mentions God ?  What ?

[Argus]

43 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I thought this was going to be another boring anti-Trudeau post but I was wrong.  It's a very clever anti-Trudeau post.  How the hell ARE we supposed to think about religion anyway ?  This anthem still mentions God ?  What ?

It's hard to believe all these highly paid people wasted so much time on a moronic thing like this, but then, it's only taxpayer money, and if that helps Trudeau's virtue signaling, then hey, well worth it. 

Edited February 1, 2018 by Argus

[-1=e^ipi]

I'll also point out that in 2014 Trudeau was against changing the anthem due to his nationalistic feeling. Nationalistic feelings trump gender equality to him. He only changed his position after the 2015 election.

[Michael Hardner]

12 minutes ago, Argus said:

It's hard to believe all these highly paid people wasted to much time on a moronic thing like this, but then, it's only taxpayer money, and if that helps Trudeau's virtue signaling, then hey, well worth it. 

If you can find a more objective way to categorize this behaviour please do it so we can all be rid of it.  

[-1=e^ipi]

Oh, I forgot to mention the Crucifix in the National Assembly of Quebec.

 

Justin Trudeau supports his Catholic Crucifix in the National Assembly of Quebec. Andrew Scheer does too.

[Guest]

It's a crummy new line.  You should go back to the old line before "sons" was put in there.  I believe it had both "thou" and "dost" in it. Now that's a line!

Edited February 1, 2018 by bcsapper

[Argus]

6 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

If you can find a more objective way to categorize this behaviour please do it so we can all be rid of it.  

That IS objective. You think I'm wrong? You think I would have approved of this if Harper's Conservatives had done it?

Edited February 1, 2018 by Argus

[Argus]

2 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

It's a crummy new line.  You should go back to the old line before "sons" was put in there.  I believe it had both "thou" and "dost" in it. Now that's a line!

Scrap it and go back to The Maple Leaf Forever.

[Michael Hardner]

17 minutes ago, Argus said:

That IS objective. You think I'm wrong? You think I would have approved of this if Harper's Conservatives had done it?

Do conservatives signal virtue?

[Argus]

12 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Do conservatives signal virtue?

Do they? Do you have an example?

[Michael Hardner]

Just now, Argus said:

Do they? Do you have an example?

I would rather ask you for an example, if this phenomenon is indeed universal.  It's a lot easier to get consensus on things if it's not seen as blaming across party lines.

[Argus]

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

I would rather ask you for an example, if this phenomenon is indeed universal.  It's a lot easier to get consensus on things if it's not seen as blaming across party lines.

I'm sure socons do. Maybe we should first agree on what virtue signalling even is. To me it's doing something that doesn't need to be done, that, indeed, seems like a waste of time, just to make yourself look good in some way. Or making a bold statement of morality which really didn't need to be made, which surprises no one, and which isn't the least bit bold, really.

[Michael Hardner]

5 minutes ago, Argus said:

I'm sure socons do. Maybe we should first agree on what virtue signalling even is. To me it's doing something that doesn't need to be done, that, indeed, seems like a waste of time, just to make yourself look good in some way. Or making a bold statement of morality which really didn't need to be made, which surprises no one, and which isn't the least bit bold, really.

Is patriotism, generally, a form of that ?  I mean, like racism or human rights, do we really need to proclaim to everyone how patriotic we are all the time ?

I would be surprised if an unpatriotic person presented themselves for public office.

[Boges]

It took awhile for me to hear about someone bringing up "God Keep our Land". 

That one won't be changed. 

The line is only controversial to militant atheists. 

[PIK]

Canada is a christian country, get over it.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, PIK said:

Canada is a christian country, get over it.

'God' is not a Christian concept, except perhaps for 'rural' religious people.

[PIK]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

'God' is not a Christian concept, except perhaps for 'rural' religious people.

Whatever mike, because that mean nothing. We are a christian country, period,no matter what you libs say. And on the anthem, when the military war cemeteries are full of females and transgender and non white people ,then we'll talk about changing it. And for anyone that screams about white privilege check out those same cemeteries.

[Michael Hardner]

8 minutes ago, PIK said:

We are a christian country, period,no matter what you libs say.

That's a pretty arrogant, and undemocratic view.

Here's your religion in Canada:

 

 

8 minutes ago, PIK said:

And on the anthem, when the military war cemeteries are full of females and transgender and non white people ,then we'll talk about changing it.

Actually, the cemeteries are already full of people who would be against changing it.  That is why this has now changed.

8 minutes ago, PIK said:

And for anyone that screams about white privilege check out those same cemeteries.

No need to scream, unless you can't hear me.  Things change and points of view die out... just saying.

Edited February 1, 2018 by Michael Hardner

[Argus]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Is patriotism, generally, a form of that ?  I mean, like racism or human rights, do we really need to proclaim to everyone how patriotic we are all the time ?

I would say expressing one's patriotism, unless it's on topic with something that's going on at the time, or a question being posed, would be virtue signalling. You see US politicians do it constantly. It would depend somewhat on how it was signaled and why.

[?Impact]

19 hours ago, -1=e^ipi said:

Why is god in the anthem?

It's a trash anthem and the only reason I sing it is if I'm compelled to by the state or by employers

Agreed, but what would be a good one? I don't want no friggen bombs bursting in air either, no glorification of mass murder.

19 hours ago, -1=e^ipi said:

Let's see, Trudeau wants us to....

Yawn

18 hours ago, Argus said:

Scrap it and go back to The Maple Leaf Forever.

That has God in it as well, it also celebrates war, and above all is simply a WASP nationalist tune.

[Michael Hardner]

51 minutes ago, Argus said:

I would say expressing one's patriotism, unless it's on topic with something that's going on at the time, or a question being posed, would be virtue signalling. You see US politicians do it constantly. It would depend somewhat on how it was signaled and why.

Wow.  Well you gave me a good example.  Here's another one: attending church.  Clinton and Obama went to church all the time.  Why ?  I suspect it was virtue signalling.

[?Impact]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Here's another one: attending church.  Clinton and Obama went to church all the time.  Why ?  I suspect it was virtue signalling.

Did they change their ways after becoming politicians is the true sign of virtue signalling.