Canada's Refugee System in Chaos

[DogOnPorch]

15 minutes ago, dialamah said:

I personally think xenophobic/homophobic/misogynistic Canadians are as inferior as xenophobic/homophobic/misogynistic refugees/immigrants.

 

Do you think Japan and China should be punished for rejecting your religion and mass Muslim immigration?

[turningrite]

51 minutes ago, dialamah said:

I personally think xenophobic/homophobic/misogynistic Canadians are as inferior as xenophobic/homophobic/misogynistic refugees/immigrants.

I can generally understand your points about homophobia and misogyny, but the concept of xenophobia has been so corrupted as to be applied by many progressives to denigrate anybody who promotes a realistic approach to immigration or points out the very real problems associated with our current immigration and refugee programs. Progressives should recall the advice of the economist Milton Friedman, who noted that mass immigration and the social welfare state are incompatible. And other less well-known economists have reached the same conclusion. What happens when you try to combine the two is a decline in social solidarity and erosion of support for social welfare measures, and particularly for those measures that are seen as being redistributive. Where these matters are concerned, progressives can't both have their cake and eat it too. Xenophobia as it's currently understood and generally presented, doesn't belong in your hierarchy of moral failures.

[DogOnPorch]

4 minutes ago, turningrite said:

I can generally understand your points about homophobia and misogyny, but the concept of xenophobia has been so corrupted as to be applied by many progressives to denigrate anybody who promotes a realistic approach to immigration or points out the very real problems associated with our current immigration and refugee programs. Progressives should recall the advice of the economist Milton Friedman, who noted that mass immigration and the social welfare state are incompatible. And other less well-known economists have reached the same conclusion. What happens when you try to combine the two is a decline in social solidarity and erosion of support for social welfare measures, and particularly for those measures that are seen as being redistributive. Where these matters are concerned, progressives can't both have their cake and eat it too. Xenophobia as it's currently understood and generally presented, doesn't belong in your hierarchy of moral failures.

 

Xenophon had good reason to 'fear' the Persians.

[dialamah]

58 minutes ago, turningrite said:

I can generally understand your points about homophobia and misogyny, but the concept of xenophobia has been so corrupted as to be applied by many progressives to denigrate 

Why is it that whenever people think they are being called out on their behavior/attitude, suddenly that word doesn't mean anything anymore?  

58 minutes ago, turningrite said:

anybody who promotes a realistic approach to immigration or points out the very real problems associated with our current immigration and refugee programs.

Every single argument made against today's immigrant has been made about immigrants in the past.  Various groups have been called backward, violent, culturally incompatible, economically unviable.  They've been accused of being unwilling to become patriotic citizens, of being lazy, of being immoral, plotting to take over and impose their own culture either through violence or by increasing their  numbers till they become overwhelming.

In every single case, the immigrants have ultimately become indistinguushable from the rest of the population. 

 

58 minutes ago, turningrite said:

Xenophobia as it's currently understood and generally presented, doesn't belong in your hierarchy of moral failures.

Xenophobia seems to be as natural and predictable as immigration.  While xenophobes tend to scream endlessly about how this bunch of immigrants is different from the last bunch, the truth is that within 3 or 4 generations Muslims will be part of the landscape and xenophobes will be screaming about some other immigrant group that they are convinced is going to destroy Canada.

Unless climate change destroys us first.

Edited August 13, 2018 by dialamah

[Argus]

4 hours ago, dialamah said:

I personally think xenophobic/homophobic/misogynistic Canadians are as inferior as xenophobic/homophobic/misogynistic refugees/immigrants.

I wouldn't doubt it. The problem with such 'equality' of course, is that homophobic Canadians don't like the idea of gay marriage where newcomers want to kill or imprison homosexuals. Misogynistic Canadians resent their lack of success with women where misogynistic foreigners think all women who show their face or shoulders are whores and need to be whipped.

But by all means, go with equivalency.

[Argus]

2 hours ago, dialamah said:

Every single argument made against today's immigrant has been made about immigrants in the past.  

It's been pointed out to you before how nonsensical this is. At no point in our history did we import such large groups of people with such vastly different, even hostile social/religious beliefs. Up until the 1970s we stuck mainly with Europe. For most of our history, the cultural, educational and religious gap between immigrants and us was miniscule compared to Muslims from most of the third world today. Further, they had no choice but to assimilate given the vast distances between here and their homeland. That is simply not the case today because of cheap airfare and 24/7 communication with their homeland through TV, satellites, internet and telephones. There was also no welfare or pogey, making it impossible to simply be 'carried' by the more productive. You worked or you didn't eat. That again is not the case today.

Saying that because it worked with Ukrainians a century ago it will probably work with Muslims from the middle east today is preposterous.

Edited August 13, 2018 by Argus

[dialamah]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

It's been pointed out to you before how nonsensical this is. At no point in our history did we import such large groups of people with such vastly different, even hostile social/religious beliefs

Its been pointed out to you already that those same arguments have been used against other groups.  Those earlier xenophobes were equally as certain as you are today that their immigrants were vastly different, too violent, too religious, too backwards, too fertile, too many of them, they'd take over and destroy the culture and the economy.

Its a pattern, right?  We (humans) have done this before.  The pattern also includes the new people becoming functioning and contributing members of their new country.  Some of them no doubt exercised their right to xenophobia towards even newer immigrants.

Edited August 13, 2018 by dialamah

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

Saying that because it worked with Ukrainians a century ago it will probably work with Muslims from the middle east today is preposterous.

Yep and there were no groups affiliated with terrorist organizations, no Ukranian "ISIS", Al Qaeda, no terror cells, no Sept.11. 

[DogOnPorch]

21 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Its been pointed out to you already that those same arguments have been used against other groups.  Those earlier xenophobes were equally as certain as you are today that their immigrants were vastly different, too violent, too religious, too backwards, too fertile, too many of them, they'd take over and destroy the culture and the economy.

Its a pattern, right?  We (humans) have done this before.  The pattern also includes the new people becoming functioning and contributing members of their new country.  Some of them no doubt exercised their right to xenophobia towards even newer immigrants.

 

The Quran says that Muslims are to fight the Unbeliever until all religion is Islam.

https://quran.com/8/39

Islam's very modus operandi is the elimination of the civilization I call home. 

 

 

Edited August 13, 2018 by DogOnPorch

[dialamah]

37 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Yep and there were no groups affiliated with terrorist organizations, no Ukranian "ISIS", Al Qaeda, no terror cells, no Sept.11. 

Ukrainians are only one group; there are many examples. 

Consider the fear felt by anti-Japanese xenophobes after Pearl Harbour, and the stories of kamikaze pilots!  Have you seen any of the anti-Japanese propaganda from WW2?   We all know what happened to the Japanese in Canada and the States, eh? 

Then, we had to apologize.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.  George Santayana

 

[OftenWrong]

32 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Islam's very modus operandi is the elimination of the civilization I call home.

This is the part the liberals seek to ignore- these people have already declared war on us. Certainly the Wahhabists have. Look at the mocking cartoon they published in their hyper-aggressive response to Canada's pathetic tweets about human rights. This was published by a social media branch of the official Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. 

 

 

[DogOnPorch]

11 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Ukrainians are only one group; there are many examples. 

Consider the fear felt by anti-Japanese xenophobes after Pearl Harbour, and the stories of kamikaze pilots!  Have you seen any of the anti-Japanese propaganda from WW2?   We all know what happened to the Japanese in Canada and the States, eh? 

Then, we had to apologize.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.  George Santayana

 

 

Stories of Kamakazi pilots? I assure you they were quite real. Banzai Charges and Death Marches, as well. Japanese soldiers/sailors/pilots would not surrender. 

[Argus]

1 hour ago, dialamah said:

Its been pointed out to you already that those same arguments have been used against other groups. 

When? Name a time and date.

[Argus]

17 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Ukrainians are only one group; there are many examples. 

Consider the fear felt by anti-Japanese xenophobes after Pearl Harbour,

We were at WAR with Japan and there was a great deal of fear, because we were largely unarmed due to people like you, that we would be invaded. Small likelyhood there'd be fear of local Japanese cooperating. Especially given the lack of sophistication of the people at that time.

Nor can the Japanese be used to dismiss concerns about the Muslims. There never were very many of the Japanese around. Even today they're something like a quarter of a percentage of the population. More Muslims come into Canada fresh from the middle east every single year.

[Argus]

9 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

This is the part the liberals seek to ignore- these people have already declared war on us.

What the left seeks to ignore is Islam. To them, that is some vague silly religious thing that, of course, no one pays much attention to other than a very, very few crazy people. So what it says is of no importance. Oh, it might say a very nasty things, but what can you expect of religions. The old testament says nasty things too, so no biggy.

They don't believe in religion so they presume the Muslim world is the same. And any information to the contrary is just 'islamophobes' or 'xenophobes' talking.

[DogOnPorch]

13 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

This is the part the liberals seek to ignore- these people have already declared war on us. Certainly the Wahhabists have. Look at the mocking cartoon they published in their hyper-aggressive response to Canada's pathetic tweets about human rights. This was published by a social media branch of the official Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. 

 

Political Islam is essentially this: 

1. Big Mo decides he is the next Moses or Abraham...whatever...The Prophet...and the final one...to boot.

2. He informs the Jews. They say thanks...but no thanks.

3. Disgruntled by having sand kicked on him by Jewish bullies, he goes to the gym and does the mega-muscle program...with steroids.

4. He returns to the beach...err...desert...and gets his revenge. 

5. Impressed by how quickly he dispatched the "bullies", he takes the whole show on the road looking for more folks that disagree with him.

Edited August 14, 2018 by DogOnPorch

[OftenWrong]

33 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Political Islam is essentially this: 

1. Big Mo decides he is the next Moses or Abraham...whatever...The Prophet...and the final one...to boot.

2. He informs the Jews. They say thanks...but no thanks.

3. Disgruntled by having sand kicked on him by Jewish bullies, he goes to the gym and does the mega-muscle program...with steroids.

4. He returns to the beach...err...desert...and gets his revenge. 

5. Impressed by how quickly he dispatched the "bullies", he takes the whole show on the road looking for more folks that disagree with him.

Western feminist liberals cooing... "Oh Ahmmad, you are a real man after all!"

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, OftenWrong said:

Western feminist liberals cooing... "Oh Ahmmad, you are a real man after all!"

 

Intersectionality says that both feminists and Muslims are oppressed victims of white male patriarchy...thus the cooing. 

Remember: it is all about equality of outcome. Once the evil white male patriarchy...the oppressor...is run outta town...peace will reign and all the oppressed shall gather round the fire to sing songs of togetherness and understanding.

[Argus]

So, to give you an idea of the brilliant minds the government appoints to oversee our refugee system, I give you one Trent Cook. Cook is one of those enlightened people who work for Canada's immigration and refugee system, and who decide the cases of would-be refugees. Last year he was faced with an illegal border crosser named Abdullahi Hashi Farah', a Somalian criminal from the US who said that if he went back to Somalia he'd be killed, him being gay and all. He admitted he'd had a little trouble with the law when he was younger, but that was all done now.

Mr. Cook thought this man was perhaps the finest example of the sort of person Canada ought to be bringing in to live among us.

"One of the biggest factors that play in your particular situation is your character," Cook said. "In my estimation, you are probably one of the most honest detainees that I have ever come across," he said, noting Farah had acted "contrary" to his own interests by offering up his criminal history and gang ties.  "What this indicates to me is that you are, based on your character and behaviour, very likely to pursue all of your immigration matters in Canada with the same diligence and honesty as you have demonstrated in your interview."

CBSA had its doubts, and wanted to hold the gentleman until they could check out his criminal record with the Americans, but dear Trent pish-poshed that, and set him free immediately. I don't know if he was beaming, and patted him on the head as he walked out, but I wouldn't be surprised. Unfortunately, Farah was not being entirely up front with Cook.

Had Cook heeded the CBSA recommendation and waited to obtain his entire U.S. criminal record, he would have learned that Farah used eight aliases, two different birth dates and had convictions in four states, including a felony gun conviction. But Cook didn't heed the CBSA, and after a Federal Court judge denied the agency's challenge of Cook's decision the next day, Farah was released in Winnipeg.

Oh, and kudos to the idiot judge, but then, you can't really expect much of judges. They see their duty as that of the noble protectors of whomever the state is trying to oppress - ie, criminals.

Just six days after Farah was first released, he breached his conditions and was subsequently rearrested. That same day, Nov. 8, 2017, the CBSA gained access to Farah's cellphone. It contained recent photos and videos of Farah playing with a loaded handgun, doing cocaine, concealing cocaine and flashing wads of cash. There were also front-and-back photos of a credit card that wasn't his. Farah was on parole when the photos were taken, and was prohibited from possessing a firearm.

The phone also contained Tinder chats, photos of Farah having sex with women, and photos of women in various stages of nudity.

There was no evidence of homosexual activity

And after that he was... immediately released again...

This is not an isolated case. Remember that last year CBSA said that almost half the people crossing the US border had criminal records in the US.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/gangster-refugee-canada-immigration-screening-1.4943292

[Argus]

This is from the Spectator, a column by Douglas Murray. For those who don't know him, Murray is a British conservative who has long campaigned against Islam and Muslim immigration, in part because as a gay man he feels Islam in its current form is implacably hostile towards gays. He once made the truthful statement (which infuriated the Left) that terrorism in Europe is synonymous with Muslims, and those nations which have few or no Muslims have little or no terrorism. He makes a point in this column about how bollards have risen all across Europe - the kind we see rising along the sidewalks of our cities here, too. Because rather than do the sensible thing and stop Muslims from immigrating in huge numbers, nor even interview them to weed out those whose religious beliefs are most brutally retrogade, the diffident, anxious, hand-wringing authorities are instead trying to stick bollards everywhere so that when Muslims run trucks into people they don't have so many casualties.

But as Steyn has also pointed out in his observations about ‘bollard-ization’, there is a strange paradox at work here. Whichever European city you go to these days (Britain included) all of its public buildings and major infrastructure are positively surrounded by bollards and steel barriers. Yet at the same time the governments of these countries have never taken a more lax attitude to the place where bollards or similar security might be more usefully deployed. That is along what we used to call ‘a border’.

As was demonstrated yet again last week, with most of the world’s states signing up to the disastrously loosely worded ‘Marrakech Migration pact’, most European countries are content to allow the world to arrive in their countries and only then start to work out who the arrivals might be. Or pretend to start working it out and then give up. Or go through a long and costly process at the end of which it’s all relative because the person stays anyway.

https://spectator.us/terror-changed-europes-christmas-markets/

[scribblet]

As the Muslim population grows and is expected to double, so goes social unrest and an increasing danger to women especially.  We also  see the rise of Asian rape gangs

https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/11/massive-increase-of-groomed-dutch-girls-by-mostly-muslim-men/#.W97UI1VNULY.twitter

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/11/29/5-facts-about-the-muslim-population-in-europe/

[dialamah]

3 minutes ago, scribblet said:

As the Muslim population grows and is expected to double, so goes social unrest and an increasing danger to women especially.  We also  see the rise of Asian rape gangs

https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/11/massive-increase-of-groomed-dutch-girls-by-mostly-muslim-men/#.W97UI1VNULY.twitter

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/11/29/5-facts-about-the-muslim-population-in-europe/

Media Bias Fact Check lists Voice of Europe as a questionable source:

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A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, overt propaganda, poor or no sourcing to credible information and/or is fake news. Fake News is the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for the purpose of profit or influence. Sources listed in the Questionable Category may be very untrustworthy and should be fact checked on a per article basis. Please note sources on this list are not considered fake news unless specifically written in the notes section for that source. 

Repeating "information" from these sites is as reprehensible as Imams preaching hate against Westerners.

[scribblet]

Whether or not it's questionable is your opinion, the facts are there among many reports of the rise in Muslim rape gangs, that we do know and we know it was covered up in the U.K.  and under reported in many countries due to political correctness.  It's the PC that is putting people in danger. 

It is even more reprehensible to deny deny deny rather than confronting the issue as it puts women in more danger.  

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/grooming-gangs-rotherham-suspects-victims-girls-rape-uk-nca-prosecutions-a8609511.html

this is from 2009 and the situation is still being covered up

https://www.policemag.com/373404/the-rise-of-muslim-gangs

So far I have not seen the growing Muslim gang threat covered at any length by the mainstream media or discussed by many in law enforcement. 
Why not? What happened to our pro-active mission to prevent crime and criminal gangs before they reach crisis proportions? In this politically correct society are we forbidden to address this situation without being admonished for "hate speech" or "racial profiling?"

and  https://www.politico.eu/article/sweden-bombings-grenade-attacks-violent-reality-undoing-peaceful-self-image-law-and-order/

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/teens-roam-streets-with-rifles-as-crime-swamps-sweden-q83g055k9

 

 

Edited December 23, 2018 by scribblet

[dialamah]

So long as credible media disputes the lurid half-truths and outright falsehoods of the media you favor, I will continue to disbelieve your narrative.

Asian Grooming Gangs.

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Nazir Afzal is the Crown Prosecution Service’s former lead on child sexual abuse and the prosecutor most responsible for bringing down grooming gangs. The media, he observes, pounce on cases involving Asians, but often ignore those involving white perpetrators.

“Grooming gang” is not a legal category. Group-based child sexual exploitation (CSE) falls under a range of offences, from rape to conspiracy to incite prostitution. In only some cases, often when non-whites are involved, is ethnicity recorded. All this makes it difficult to ascertain the facts and behoves us to be cautious.

 

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There is nothing racist about asking whether Asians or Muslims may be disproportionately represented in any form of crime. That doesn’t mean that any investigation or claim should be uncritically accepted. There is equally nothing racist about white researchers calling out the work of non-whites as shoddy.

These are terrible crimes. There needs to be a proper public debate. The victims, indeed all of us, deserve better than this.

 

A few Swedish facts for you, not nearly as exciting as the bullcrap you prefer.

Sometimes, simplistic and occasionally inaccurate information about Sweden and Swedish migration policy is disseminated. Here, the Swedish Ministry for Foreign Affairs looks at some of the most common claims.

Claim: "There has been a major increase in gun violence in Sweden."

Facts: Data from the Swedish Crime Survey shows that in terms of lethal violence, there has generally been a downward trend over the past 25 years. Nonetheless, the level in 2015 – when a total of 112 cases of lethal violence were reported – was higher than for many years.

Studies conducted by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention show that lethal violence using firearms has increased within the context of criminal conflicts. The number of confirmed or suspected shootings was 20 per cent higher in 2014 than in 2006. The statistics also show that 17 people were killed with firearms in 2011, while the corresponding figure in 2015 was 33.

Figures from the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) show that in 2012, 0.7 murders were committed in Sweden per 100 000 inhabitants. 

Read more: 
Crime and Statistics in Sweden

Swedish Crime Statistics explained

Global Study on Homicide (UNODC)

Claim: "There has been a major increase in the number of rapes in Sweden."

Facts: The number of reported rapes in Sweden has risen. But the definition of rape has broadened over time, which makes it difficult to compare the figures. It is also misleading to compare the figures with other countries, as many acts that are considered rape under Swedish law are not considered rape in many other countries.

For example: If a woman in Sweden reports that she has been raped by her husband every night for a year, that is counted as 365 separate offences; in most other countries this would be registered as a single offence, or would not be registered as an offence at all.

Willingness to report such offences also differs dramatically between countries. A culture in which these crimes are talked about openly, and victims are not blamed, will also have more cases reported. Sweden has made a conscious effort to encourage women to report any offence.

Read more about the legal implications of the term 'rape' (in Swedish):

• http://www.notisum.se/rnp/sls/lag/19620700.htm#K6
• https://www.bra.se/brott-och-statistik/statistiska-undersokningar/nationella-trygghetsundersokningen.html

Claim: "Refugees are behind the increase in crime, but the authorities are covering it up."

Facts: According to the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention's Swedish Crime Survey, some 13 per cent of the population were the victim of an offence against them personally in 2015. This is an increase on preceding years, although it is roughly the same level as in 2005.

The Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention has conducted two studies into the representation of people from foreign backgrounds among crime suspects, the most recent in 2005. The studies show that the majority of those suspected of crimes were born in Sweden to two Swedish-born parents. The studies also show that the vast majority of people from foreign backgrounds are not suspected of any crimes.

Edited December 23, 2018 by dialamah

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, dialamah said:

Media Bias Fact Check lists Voice of Europe as a questionable source:

Repeating "information" from these sites is as reprehensible as Imams preaching hate against Westerners.

I recall when a local news story about rape gangs prowling the mean streets of Tofino hit the national news.  Some local cop thought it would be a good idea to embellish his story about a minor Ecstasy bust to raise awareness about something going thru his head.  The media just couldn't help themselves I guess.