Iran needs some democracy

CITIZEN_2015 · August 5, 2018

Regime thugs shot and killed again.

https://www.tampabay.com/report-man-taking-part-in-iran-protest-fatally-shot-ap_world22f8582573ea4548b390a8ad1a42ca60

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran's semi-official Fars news agency reports that a man taking part in a protest in the northern province of Alborz was fatally shot.

The Saturday report says a protest was taking place a day earlier in Karaj, some 50 kilometers (30 miles) west of Tehran, when someone fired from a car. There were no additional details.

Fars reported authorities arrested 20 protesters and ere women.many of the protest leaders were Women,

Long live brave women of Iran.

Iranian authorities are responsible for the safety and well being of arrested protesters and all political prisoners or they will be soon held accountable if they are mistreated.

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SpankyMcFarland · August 5, 2018

A civil war in Iran would be a catastrophe for the country, the region and the world. For a start, where would all the refugees go?

CITIZEN_2015 · August 5, 2018

4 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

A civil war in Iran would be a catastrophe for the country, the region and the world. For a start, where would all the refugees go?

Wake up my friend, there are already refugees from Iran escaping the brutal regime and they come to the west not Russia. They hate Russia.

There will be confrontations between the nation and the regime thugs (sepah and basij) and maybe some armed resistance will start (in Kurdistan and Baluchestan) however most of security forces even among the sepah are with the people. They are paying the same prices (as per run away inflation) as anyone else and tired of this corrupt brutal regime. There will not be a civil war similar to Syria because Iran is different with Syria. I have explains the differences and why many times over. It would be more like eastern Europe or South American style with more bloodshed (one sided the regime thugs killing defenseless people until regime falls).

SpankyMcFarland · August 6, 2018

I agree they’ll head to Europe - and create another crisis for the EU.

From a position of ignorance, I would suspect that religion will give the regime a stiffer spine than Marxist doctrine ever could and I would not assume that any successor regime would respect human rights either. Anyway, economic collapse does not necessarily bring rapid political change, e.g. Mugabe’s Zimbabwe, post-Famine Ireland.

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CITIZEN_2015 · August 6, 2018

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I agree they’ll head to Europe - and create another crisis for the EU.

From a position of ignorance, I would suspect that religion will give the regime a stiffer spine than Marxist doctrine ever could and I would not assume that any successor regime would respect human rights either. Anyway, economic collapse does not necessarily bring rapid political change, e.g. Mugabe’s Zimbabwe, post-Famine Ireland.

As it is now they are heading to Europe as well as North America (US and Canada) and Australia. There won't be any crisis because there won't be a civil war but a revolution (similar to 1979) or a coup )similar to 1953). If the former occurs then depending on who will take power. If it is the popular Reza Pahlavi (the son of the late Shahanshah, God bless his soul and grandson of Reza Shah the great God bless his soul) then he is a democrat and also like her father and grandfather a nationalist. A popular government will come to power and Iran will become a prosperous country again as it was in the 70's. If it is the left or the traitor unpopular MEK then in my view it would be still better than this brutal murderous regime but problems (to lesser extend) would continue. If it is a coup then still much better than this brutal regime but a lot of problems would remain.

No I disagree. Religion is dead in Iran thanks to 40 years of islamic regime the population knows now exactly what was imposed on them 1400 years ago. Also Iran is NOT Zimbabwe. It is a very rich country in BOTH natural resources AND human resources (highly educated nation). It will grow double digits and its problems will go away fast and will become a secular democratic progressive advance and powerful nation again.

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SpankyMcFarland · August 6, 2018

Would you at least concede that your prediction is merely that, and that many worse scenarios could also come to pass? Iran has little tradition of democratic government; consider, then, how the Greeks, the guys who invented the concept, struggled to reintroduce it.

CITIZEN_2015 · August 6, 2018

I commented my opinion and as an Iran observer for many years and knowing the culture and level of education of that country I see a good chance that my predictions are correct (yes they are predictions as I am not a clairvoyant or claiming to power supernatural powers) . Iran was an empire who brought in the very first charter of human rights 2500 years ago. It were not the Greeks who invented democracy but the Western Europeans as Greeks were under dictatorships until late 70's and there was a bloodless transition to democracy .

Iran nation is not far off if not better than Greeks. Iran does have tradition of democracy. A few years after the constitutional revolution and the first dozen of years of Mahhamad Reza Shah Pahlavi between 1941 to 1953 however, this democracy came to an end with the American British sponsored military coup in 1953. Shame on them. The US of A owns Iranian people to help them to rid of this brutal regime as they are responsible for the mess they created in 1953 and their coup against an elected government.

CITIZEN_2015 · August 6, 2018

The first round of US sanctions starts today while Iran's economy is in tailspin and protests are in progress all over Iran protesters demanding regime change. But is the sanctions really responsible for the bad Iran economy? The answer is NO. It is the regime.

Iran brutal corrupt regime blames “a conspiracy by enemies with the aim of exacerbating economic problems and causing public anxiety” for its problems. But the troubles are hardly the fault of outside actors. Iran’s own actions since the JCPOA was signed in July 2015 haven’t helped: It is engaged in an expensive war in Syria, a proxy war in Yemen, and arms and funds Hezbollah, the Lebanese Shia militia group, as well as Hamas and other militant groups across the Middle East. Such activity does not come cheap. Iran is estimated to have spent tens of billions of dollars on these efforts—an expenditure that has led to anti-government protesters to recently chant: “Not Gaza, not Lebanon, my life for Iran.”

Iran’s own economic mismanagement, widespread corruption, and soaring inflation have resulted in regular, nationwide protests against the government as well as the religious establishment of Shia clerics who hold ultimate authority in the country.

taxme · August 6, 2018

On 8/5/2018 at 11:38 AM, SpankyMcFarland said:

A civil war in Iran would be a catastrophe for the country, the region and the world. For a start, where would all the refugees go?

Ahh, maybe Canada? LOL. Canada loves it's refugees. We will take them all. What a catastrophe not too, eh? :lol:

CITIZEN_2015 · August 6, 2018

1 hour ago, taxme said:

Ahh, maybe Canada? LOL. Canada loves it's refugees. We will take them all. What a catastrophe not too, eh?

Iranian people will resolve the issue (the islamic regime) and likely there won't be a flood of refugees but hypothetically if there are refugees from Iran, then Canada will BENEFIT enormously from these Iranian immigrants as Canada has done so in the past as they will bring their skills and education (unlike the Syrian refugees or Somalians or other third world countries Iranian refugees will be highly educated, skillful, socially advanced and mostly westernized).

On another side of the coin when there is a regime fall (I said when not if) there will be refugees too but the these arab sympathizer refugees will be thugs and socially retarded likely criminals and traitors and murderers who collaborated with the islamic regime (about 20% of the population which are in every society) and Canada must refuse them as they will make Canada stinky and unsafe and will have nothing to contribute.

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taxme · August 6, 2018

33 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Iranian people will resolve the issue (the islamic regime) and likely there won't be a flood of refugees but hypothetically if there are refugees from Iran, then Canada will BENEFIT enormously from these Iranian immigrants as Canada has done so in the past as they will bring their skills and education (unlike the Syrian refugees or Somalians or other third world countries Iranian refugees will be highly educated, skillful, socially advanced and mostly westernized).

On another side of the coin when there is a regime fall (I said when not if) there will be refugees too but the these arab sympathizer refugees will be thugs and socially retarded likely criminals and traitors and murderers who collaborated with the islamic regime (about 20% of the population which are in every society) and Canada must refuse them as they will make Canada stinky and unsafe and will have nothing to contribute.

If only Canada concerned themselves also about the plight of the white South African farmers who are being allowed to be murdered almost every other day now and having their land stolen away from them that has been in their hands for generations thanks to the SA black government who is behind and backing up this atrocity. And this travesty has been going on for decades now ever since the end of apartheid. They too have the skills and education and the know how to help make a country great and not poor. Canada would do well to allow many of them in to Canada who now are looking for a country to live in to help save their lives. But Canada has pretty much refused to help them. This is why I am totally against any refugees of any kind coming to Canada because it would appear to me as though we have a racist thing going on here against white people who want to immigrate too Canada. If I had my way I would stop all trade with South Africa and put sanctions against them. But as long as we have the politicians that we have in Canada today that will never happen guaranteed. Sad indeed.

SpankyMcFarland · August 6, 2018

19 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I commented my opinion and as an Iran observer for many years and knowing the culture and level of education of that country I see a good chance that my predictions are correct (yes they are predictions as I am not a clairvoyant or claiming to power supernatural powers) . Iran was an empire who brought in the very first charter of human rights 2500 years ago. It were not the Greeks who invented democracy but the Western Europeans as Greeks were under dictatorships until late 70's and there was a bloodless transition to democracy .

Iran nation is not far off if not better than Greeks. Iran does have tradition of democracy. A few years after the constitutional revolution and the first dozen of years of Mahhamad Reza Shah Pahlavi between 1941 to 1953 however, this democracy came to an end with the American British sponsored military coup in 1953. Shame on them. The US of A owns Iranian people to help them to rid of this brutal regime as they are responsible for the mess they created in 1953 and their coup against an elected government.

10 years of democracy compared with two and a half millennia of absolute rule of various sorts - such cultural habits may be hard to break. The small numbers of Iranians I meet are usually militantly secular but I suspect there are many at home who are more conservative. I’d say the long term future is bright - I see another person born in Iran, this time Kurdish and working in Cambridge University, has been awarded a Fields Medal, one of the highest honours in mathematics, but many others stand to lose from change. The least worst outcome for all is surely gradual, peaceful reform. One way this might occur is if Khameini’s successor largely withdraws from the political sphere and takes on a role more like that of Ayatollah Sistani next door in Iraq. A tolerant, prosperous Iran would transform the entire region. There’s a reason Farsi was once the language of scholars from Anatolia to India.

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CITIZEN_2015 · August 6, 2018

2 hours ago, taxme said:

If only Canada concerned themselves also about the plight of the white South African farmers who are being allowed to be murdered almost every other day now and having their land stolen away from them that has been in their hands for generations thanks to the SA black government who is behind and backing up this atrocity. And this travesty has been going on for decades now ever since the end of apartheid. They too have the skills and education and the know how to help make a country great and not poor. Canada would do well to allow many of them in to Canada who now are looking for a country to live in to help save their lives. But Canada has pretty much refused to help them. This is why I am totally against any refugees of any kind coming to Canada because it would appear to me as though we have a racist thing going on here against white people who want to immigrate too Canada. If I had my way I would stop all trade with South Africa and put sanctions against them. But as long as we have the politicians that we have in Canada today that will never happen guaranteed. Sad indeed.

I don't know much about South African politics but if what you say is true then I agree that the white South African who are in danger should be allowed in as refugees in a speedy manner. I also agree that they will be by far more benefits to Canada than the mostly uneducated unskillful Syrian refugees or Somalian refugees who most even don't speak English and flood further our health and education systems as they do now.

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CITIZEN_2015 · August 6, 2018

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

10 years of democracy compared with two and a half millennia of absolute rule of various sorts. Those habits may be hard to break. The small numbers of Iranians I meet are usually militantly secular but I suspect there are many at home who are more conservative. The long term future is bright - I see another person born in Iran, this time Kurdish and working in Cambridge University, has been awarded a Fields Medal, one of the highest honours in mathematics - but many others stand to lose from change.

All countries even England was under dictatorship for most of its history. No ancient country was born democratic.

There may be more conservative Iranians at home but fortunately their numbers is decreasing fast fast thanks to this islamic regime and higher education and social media and satellites these days. Iranians are generally very secular and likely most anti fanaticism. Iranians score well above average in the most established universities in the US and Canada and Europe. There are of Aryan race after all.

SpankyMcFarland · August 6, 2018

2 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

All countries even England was under dictatorship for most of its history. No ancient country was born democratic.

There may be more conservative Iranians at home but fortunately their numbers is decreasing fast fast thanks to this islamic regime and higher education and social media and satellites these days. Iranians are generally very secular and likely most anti fanaticism. Iranians score well above average in the most established universities in the US and Canada and Europe. There are of Aryan race after all.

Liberal democracy took centuries to develop in England. Magna Carta preceded universal suffrage by seven hundred years. Brilliant students aren’t enough either as China demonstrates. Furthermore, violence is less likely to produce a tolerant society respectful of minority rights.

CITIZEN_2015 · August 6, 2018

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Liberal democracy took centuries to develop in England. Magna Carta preceded universal suffrage by seven hundred years. Brilliant students aren’t enough either as China demonstrates. Furthermore, violence is less likely to produce a tolerant society respectful of minority rights.

I thought it was within a short span of time when Cromwell took over? All the minorities in Iran who are treated badly by the regime including woman form a big majority when they come together and the regime using its thugs and 10% support (those paid handsomely to support) can stay in power by threats and intimidation and fear for a while but not forever. Hopefully there won't be a violent end to it but if there is violence then these minorities would remember that they fought alongside each other to end an evil force.

CITIZEN_2015 · August 7, 2018

The regime has become so desperate for survival that they have brought in the clone (former reformist president who miserably failed to reform even slightly the brutality of islamic regime) to support the hated satanic republic.

http://www.payvand.com/news/18/aug/1028.html

The public is now fully aware of these games played over the past 20 years to fool the public and survive while giving false hope to the nation that reforms are underway whereas there was no intention of reforms and the hundreds of dead and thousands of jailed and tortured and raped reformists and supporters in 2009 is a solid evidence that this brutal regime is NOT reformable same as Nazi Germany would not have become a democracy based on equality of races. Iran nation will not be fooled again and the slogans currently shouted will be shouted louder and more often that says by the nation is "Reformist, Princiipalist your time in now over" so Go to hell Khatami and Rouhani and whoever has you puppets under his full control.

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kactus · August 7, 2018

On 8/5/2018 at 7:38 PM, SpankyMcFarland said:

A civil war in Iran would be a catastrophe for the country, the region and the world. For a start, where would all the refugees go?

If anything, I would argue that eliminating the murderous mullah regime occupying Iran will allow for a transition and reverse the trends of “brain drain” letting the highly qualified leave the country. That kurdish guy born in Iran that won the highest price in mathematics didn’t have much opportunity inside Iran. Yet he achieved great things moving abroad....

Who knows....Maybe a more populist government in Iran will help other Iranian immigrants to move back to their home country and rebuild the economy.

GostHacked · August 7, 2018

So idiots like Lindsay Graham are coming out now and saying they need to do regime change in Iran. So even if this so called revolution is taking place in Iran (our western media is not reporting on it if that is the case), then it's a matter of time before the US goes all in on Iran. When the invasion comes, that will make the Saudi's and the Isreali's very happy.

taxme · August 7, 2018

20 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I don't know much about South African politics but if what you say is true then I agree that the white South African who are in danger should be allowed in as refugees in a speedy manner. I also agree that they will be by far more benefits to Canada than the mostly uneducated unskillful Syrian refugees or Somalian refugees who most even don't speak English and flood further our health and education systems as they do now.

Maybe it is time for the rest of the world to start to put sanctions against South Africa. After all they did the same thing to SA to get rid of apartheid. It worked and this should work also. There have been thousands of South African farmers that have been murdered in the past decades now that apartheid is gone with no doubt more murders to come. But ask Trudeau if he cares? Probably not at all.

CITIZEN_2015 · August 8, 2018

21 hours ago, GostHacked said:

So idiots like Lindsay Graham are coming out now and saying they need to do regime change in Iran. So even if this so called revolution is taking place in Iran (our western media is not reporting on it if that is the case), then it's a matter of time before the US goes all in on Iran. When the invasion comes, that will make the Saudi's and the Isreali's very happy.

Every one who talks about regime change or demand regime change is smart and kind hearted as she witnesses suffering of a nation under a brutal regime plus the fact that the whole world will benefit from it. The IDIOTS are those who oppose regime change or worse think that this brutal regime which survives on hate and war and executions and fear and terror is reformable. The purposely ignore the suffering of a nation under this tyranny are either TOTAL idiots or paid mercenaries (thugs) and whether they are aware of it or not their hands are stained with the blood of innocent people. Murderers

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GostHacked · August 8, 2018

7 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Every one who talks about regime change or demand regime change is smart and kind hearted as she witnesses suffering of a nation under a brutal regime plus the fact that the whole world will benefit from it. The IDIOTS are those who oppose regime change or worse think that this brutal regime which survives on hate and war and executions and fear and terror is reformable. The purposely ignore the suffering of a nation under this tyranny are either TOTAL idiots or paid mercenaries (thugs) and whether they are aware of it or not their hands are stained with the blood of innocent people. Murderers

We are still waiting to see the benefits of regime change in Afghanistan. I mean benefits for the people and not international corps.

CITIZEN_2015 · August 8, 2018

5 hours ago, GostHacked said:

We are still waiting to see the benefits of regime change in Afghanistan. I mean benefits for the people and not international corps.

There are plenty of benefits from regime change in Afghanistan and if you don't know that then that proves how out of knowledge you are about Afghanistan politics. Taliban regime completely destroyed Afghanistan , forced all women into burka not just hijab but burka, made education for girls and women illegal and beat up women who refused, jailed women, murdered men and established a very extreme version of islam which completely destroyed that country. No freedom of any kind. Only a brutal type of extreme islamic type dictatorship in which thousands were murdered, jailed or tortured every day.

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GostHacked · August 9, 2018

On 8/5/2018 at 9:08 PM, SpankyMcFarland said:

I agree they’ll head to Europe - and create another crisis for the EU.

From a position of ignorance, I would suspect that religion will give the regime a stiffer spine than Marxist doctrine ever could and I would not assume that any successor regime would respect human rights either. Anyway, economic collapse does not necessarily bring rapid political change, e.g. Mugabe’s Zimbabwe, post-Famine Ireland.

That's an other good point. All the nations invaded for the War on Terror has caused such a large refugee crisis heading to Europe, what would it mean if Iran was taken out as well? Yes more refugees.

CITIZEN_2015 · August 9, 2018

Iran regime harassing the families of dissidents.

https://www.iplocation.net/find-ip-address

Iran terrorist regime assassinating dissidents:

In addition while the prostitute governments in EU prostituting themselves and refuse t follow US sanction on brutal Iran regime, the regime is sending its thugs and murderers to assassinate the dissidents many European citizens. Many Iranian nationals including a former Prime Minister have been murdered by islamic regime in the past.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/09/iran-plots-terror-on-european-soil-as-eu-tries-to-shield-regime-from-trump-sanctions-push.html