DogOnPorch Posted September 9, 2018 Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: All the religious minorities including Jews enjoyed respect and equality during progressive Pahlavi Dynasty. Had Iran joined the Axis, the SS would have requested that they solve their "Jewish Problem". Either by deportation or later...by special handling...ie Final Solution. Some Axis Minor nations stalled when it came to this issue...notably Finland and Hungary. The SS went into Hungary and solved the "Jewish Problem" themselves. Iran would have been no different unless...like Finland...they were physically difficult to get to for Einsatzgruppen type units. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted September 9, 2018 Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said: Had Iran joined the Axis, the SS would have requested that they solve their "Jewish Problem". Either by deportation or later...by special handling...ie Final Solution. Some Axis Minor nations stalled when it came to this issue...notably Finland and Hungary. The SS went into Hungary and solved the "Jewish Problem" themselves. Iran would have been no different unless...like Finland...they were physically difficult to get to for Einsatzgruppen type units. This is very hypothetical. Iran would not have joined Nazi Germany for one thing Iran used to be an Aryan nation but after Arab invasion ans imposition of their religion regretfully they mixed. Today it is difficult to distinguish between Lebanese and Iranians for example not to mention geographically unlike white blue eyed Hungarians and Finnish, Iranians are located in Asia not Europe.All these about Iran being a Nazi sympathizer does not make sense. Germans stood for blue eyed pure Aryans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted September 9, 2018 Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 Just now, CITIZEN_2015 said: This is very hypothetical. Iran would not have joined Nazi Germany for one thing Iran used to be an Aryan nation but after Arab invasion ans imposition of their religion regretfully they mixed. Today it is difficult to distinguish between Lebanese and Iranians for example not to mention geographically unlike white blue eyed Hungarians and Finnish, Iranians are located in Asia not Europe.All these about Iran being a Nazi sympathizer does not make sense. Germans stood for blue eyed pure Aryans. The SS leadership (Himmler) made an exception for Arabs and by extension Iranians thanks to the influence of the notorious Grand Mufti al-Husseini who had achieved high rank and influence in the Third Reich. Himmler also much admired Islam as a warrior's religion. Not every SS man agreed, however...notably Heydrich who was...as you say...pure Aryan in thought and character...etc. But Allied commandos fried his bacon in 1942 leaving Eichmann...the Mufti's personal friend...in charge of the daily workings of the SS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted September 10, 2018 Report Share Posted September 10, 2018 18 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: Had Iran joined the Axis, the SS would have requested that they solve their "Jewish Problem".... Such statements don’t hold any water and is based on wishy washy hypothesis..... You can sit here and come up with ifs and buts. It doesn’t really matter. ’History is written by the victors’ If it wasn’t for allied forces you would be singing “Deutschland ist über alles”....Something as you alluded your uncle would have done... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted September 10, 2018 Report Share Posted September 10, 2018 22 minutes ago, kactus said: Such statements don’t hold any water and is based on wishy washy hypothesis..... You can sit here and come up with ifs and buts. It doesn’t really matter. ’History is written by the victors’ If it wasn’t for allied forces you would be singing “Deutschland ist über alles”....Something as you alluded your uncle would have done... You're free to deny WW2 happened for all I care. The SS would indeed requested that Iran handle its Jewish Problem had they joined the Axis...like the SS did EVERYWHERE else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted September 10, 2018 Report Share Posted September 10, 2018 27 minutes ago, kactus said: If it wasn’t for allied forces you would be singing “Deutschland ist über alles”....Something as you alluded your uncle would have done... Do you still beat your wife? Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted September 10, 2018 Report Share Posted September 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Do you still beat your wife? Why? Do you still beat your wife? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted September 10, 2018 Report Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 minute ago, kactus said: Do you still beat your wife? Aren't loaded statements fun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted September 10, 2018 Report Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: You're free to deny WW2 happened for all I care. The SS would indeed requested that Iran handle its Jewish Problem had they joined the Axis...like the SS did EVERYWHERE else. You are free to deny the fact that Iran was not part of the axis. Sure the SS invaded Hungary, Poland and other places, collaborated with kozaks but they never did invade Iran nor asked for their jews. You are free to deny that. Your choice..... Edited September 10, 2018 by kactus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted September 10, 2018 Report Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: Aren't loaded statements fun? Indeed they are....Just giving back a bit of your own medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted September 10, 2018 Report Share Posted September 10, 2018 Just now, kactus said: Indeed they are....Just giving back a bit of your own medicine. Uh...you started it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted September 10, 2018 Report Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, kactus said: You are free to deny the fact that Iran was not part of the axis. Sure the SS invaded Hungary, Poland and other places, collaborated with kozaks but they never did invade Iran nor asked for their jews. You are free to deny that. Your choice..... Iran under Reza didn't have a chance to join-in the fun that was Barbarossa with his Nazi buddies thanks to Stalin in particular. Edited September 10, 2018 by DogOnPorch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted September 10, 2018 Report Share Posted September 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, kactus said: Sure the SS invaded Hungary, Poland and other places, collaborated with kozaks but they never did invade Iran nor asked for their jews. You are free to deny that. Your choice..... The SS are just one element that made-up the Third Reich. They didn't "invade" alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted September 10, 2018 Report Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: Iran under Reza didn't have a chance to join-in the fun that was Barbarossa with his Nazi buddies thanks to Stalin in particular. So if that is the case then what are you babbling on about? Is it just me having a difficult time understanding what point you are trying to make here? Edited September 10, 2018 by kactus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted September 10, 2018 Report Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: The SS are just one element that made-up the Third Reich. They didn't "invade" alone. What is your point coming on a thread about democracy in Iran discussing nazi germany? Edited September 10, 2018 by kactus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted September 11, 2018 Report Share Posted September 11, 2018 7 hours ago, kactus said: What is your point coming on a thread about democracy in Iran discussing nazi germany? We are also discussing Reza's connection to Nazi Germany which a few of you attempt to deny much like the denial of Mossadeq needing the support of the Communists to win his election. The same Communists that tried to get Iran to be part of the USSR. The same Communists that turned on him during the 1953 Coup. So much denial is needed when you're a team player, I suppose. But Stalin invaded for a reason...right at the height of losing 100s of divisions to Germany and losing land faster than your granny spends money at bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted September 11, 2018 Report Share Posted September 11, 2018 (edited) DogOnPorch really this forum is not a history forum but a current political forum. Situation in Iran is bad and we need to discuss options what can be done, You stubbornly re-writing history does not help with the debate. Edited September 11, 2018 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 On 9/10/2018 at 6:16 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said: DogOnPorch really this forum is not a history forum but a current political forum. Situation in Iran is bad and we need to discuss options what can be done, You stubbornly re-writing history does not help with the debate. The only folks rewriting history are you two Iran supporters. Lets sanitize that Nazi bit...eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted September 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said: The only folks rewriting history are you two Iran supporters. Lets sanitize that Nazi bit...eh? No worse that a Saudi Arabia supporter. Another Islam nation that had ties with the Nazis. Edited September 12, 2018 by GostHacked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 10 minutes ago, GostHacked said: No worse that a Saudi Arabia supporter. Another Islam nation that had ties with the Nazis. Saudi Arabia was on the Allied side. Not Axis. The Saudi King and Roosevelt were personal friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 4 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: The only folks rewriting history are you two Iran supporters. Lets sanitize that Nazi bit...eh? You have serious issues in your posts. Either you are totally crazy or you are so confused mixing up people and their posts. Last week you posted that I hate Israel!!!!!! and never apologized for posting such a false statement and now you are calling us Iran supporters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 21 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: You have serious issues in your posts. Either you are totally crazy or you are so confused mixing up people and their posts. Last week you posted that I hate Israel!!!!!! and never apologized for posting such a false statement and now you are calling us Iran supporters. Meh...I care not for your feels. Iran was courting the Nazis at a time when it was fashionable...but kept at it when it became unfashionable and possibly a threat to the Soviet Union's existence. They then paid the price...but it wasn't all bad. The US took an interest and built you some fine highways, railways, seaports and airports all in the name of Lend Lease to Russia. Something my province of British Columbia also enjoys...to this day. As for Israel: Who started the Arab-Israeli Conflict? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted September 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 18 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: Saudi Arabia was on the Allied side. Not Axis. The Saudi King and Roosevelt were personal friends. Ah so it was not just Nazis dealing with Islamic terrorists from the M.E. Good to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 On 9/12/2018 at 5:10 PM, DogOnPorch said: The only folks rewriting history are you two Iran supporters. Lets sanitize that Nazi bit...eh? As someone who had a nazi uncle who served for Nazi in Yugoslavia it is very rich coming from you.... “Who the phack are you DOP whatever/ whoever you are coming on this forum preaching about integrity and honesty?” bloody hypocrites....Your blood type uncle had the lives of jews at his hand when he was serving for SS in Yugoslavia and you come on this board making assumptions about Iran!?!?!? What planet are you from!? As for the rest of your drivel it is based on hypothesis that never materialised during WE2. Anyone reading your posts can see your use of words if Iran did this/ that... Let’s sanitize those bloody Europeans that had the blood of many perople including jews at their hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 10 minutes ago, kactus said: As someone who had a nazi uncle who served for Nazi in Yugoslavia it is very rich coming from you.... He served in Yugoslavia. He was a German. Lots of Germans did. Germany lost WW2. My father was in the RCAF. That's the Royal Canadian Air Force if you don't know what those letters mean. As mentioned...too young to see action. 11 minutes ago, kactus said: As someone who had a nazi uncle who served for Nazi in Yugoslavia it is very rich coming from you.... “Who the phack are you DOP whatever/ whoever you are coming on this forum preaching about integrity and honesty?” bloody hypocrites....Your blood type uncle had the lives of jews at his hand when he was serving for SS in Yugoslavia and you come on this board making assumptions about Iran!?!?!? What planet are you from!? As for the rest of your drivel it is based on hypothesis that never materialised during WE2. Anyone reading your posts can see your use of words if Iran did this/ that... Let’s sanitize those bloody Europeans that had the blood of many perople including jews at their hand. You're free to pretend anything you like to yourself. Pretending Iran sat-out WW2 or that Reza WASN'T an admirer of the Third Reich is all well and good. To yourself. Try lies like that out in public and someone...me in this case...is bound to jump on you for presenting false history. Which you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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