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2 hours ago, capricorn said:

When pot becomes legal in October, users will feel better about buying their stuff from a local drug dealer So why buy from a government supplier? Of course, price will be a determining factor.

I don't follow. Are you saying once it becomes legal, people will still prefer buying it illegally?

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5 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

I don't follow. Are you saying once it becomes legal, people will still prefer buying it illegally?

NO. I'm saying once it becomes legal users won't feel so much like lawbreakers by buying on the street because the substance is legal.

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2 hours ago, capricorn said:

When pot becomes legal in October, users will feel better about buying their stuff from a local drug dealer So why buy from a government supplier? Of course, price will be a determining factor.

That was another of my concerns. If the corner dealer only got a slap on the wrist when it was illegal, how minor will the judicial consequences be when when it's legal?

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7 minutes ago, capricorn said:

NO. I'm saying once it becomes legal users won't feel so much like lawbreakers by buying on the street because the substance is legal.

I don't see that being a widespread concern or even a problem, although I do imagine that people who have always frequented a particular dealer might continue to do so out of habit.

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7 minutes ago, Centerpiece said:

That was another of my concerns. If the corner dealer only got a slap on the wrist when it was illegal, how minor will the judicial consequences be when when it's legal?

I think the penalties are increased for selling to minors, which is the point of the whole thing.

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54 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

I think the penalties are increased for selling to minors, which is the point of the whole thing.

It's not "the point of the whole thing" as you can clearly see from the policy objectives below - although reducing use by youth is one of the goals.

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Under the weight of all these complexities, it is always wise to stay focused on the original policy objectives: protect public safety and health, reduce criminal sales, reduce/eliminate youth use of marijuana and maximize the economic opportunities associated with the legalization of marijuana.

Link: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/legalization-marijuana-policy-1.4503409

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2 hours ago, capricorn said:

NO. I'm saying once it becomes legal users won't feel so much like lawbreakers by buying on the street because the substance is legal.

I think that many people will turn to the legal stores because there you would know what it is, and that there are no contaminants or pesticides. The advantage of regulation is quality control.

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2 hours ago, Centerpiece said:

That was another of my concerns. If the corner dealer only got a slap on the wrist when it was illegal, how minor will the judicial consequences be when when it's legal?

I am not certain, but have heard that punishments for breaking any of the new laws, such as illegal production or distribution are now much harsher than ever before. Something about ten year prison terms, on the order of committing a serious felony.

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On 6/21/2018 at 5:54 PM, BubberMiley said:

No, it doesn't kill brain cells. Alcohol does though. That's perhaps why you were confused.

It should be noted that alcohol is proven carcinogen. Many are totally unaware of this, but it is true. Not just damaging your brain or liver as most suppose. Therefore, smoke ye the weed my friends...

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6 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

I think that many people will turn to the legal stores because there you would know what it is, and that there are no contaminants or pesticides. The advantage of regulation is quality control.

That may be true for people new to toking. But if you have been buying your stuff from the same street vendor for a while you would feel confident it is safe. I see your point. I'm not a user, but if I decided to indulge, I would turn to regulated outlets to ensure the quality of the product.

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Its a power grab, liberals just sneaking through a law saying that the government can now for you to take a drug test anytime, without cause, arbitrarily.  This is the real reason they want to legalize drugs.  They want to say everyone is high, so we got to forcibly drug test everyone with no proof.

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2 hours ago, eyeball said:

No you're encouraging dictatorship in Canada. Who needs drug dealers and criminals when we have enemies like you?

I recognize benefits to freedom in moderation, but I also recognize the harms of freedom to excess. I don't worship freedom as an end in itself.

 

Though, I favour democracy, I also favour authoritarianism ti protect the most vulnerable members of our community and that includes addicts.

In some ways, I see myself as a democratic authoritarian and see no irony or contradiction in that. Everything in moderation, and that includes freedom and democracy.

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To be honest, though born and raised in Canada, I admire Singapore's system and even its sensorship of online porn and its strict rules relating to gambling, drugs, and prostitution.

Perhaps ironically, that might also be why Singaporeans seem more accepting of free trade and open borders than Canadians are: they know foreigners will behave in their country. In fact, my support for more open borders probably contributes to my more authoritarian views.

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5 hours ago, Machjo said:

I recognize benefits to freedom in moderation, but I also recognize the harms of freedom to excess. I don't worship freedom as an end in itself.

 

Though, I favour democracy, I also favour authoritarianism ti protect the most vulnerable members of our community and that includes addicts.

 

Our entire community would be vulnerable.

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In some ways, I see myself as a democratic authoritarian and see no irony or contradiction in that. Everything in moderation, and that includes freedom and democracy. 

I think the drugs must still be affecting your thinking. 

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11 hours ago, eyeball said:

Our entire community would be vulnerable.

I think the drugs must still be affecting your thinking. 

I don't do drugs. As for your entire community.being vulnerable, may I propose Narcotics Anonymous. Making addictive substances more easily accessible just makes it harder for you to get the help you need.

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1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Anonymity is anathema to a police state. You don't seem to have thought this thru very deeply.

I never proposed a police state. I proposed a democratic authoritarian state that could still guarantee a degree of privacy while still enforcing laws.

For example, even though Singapore cracks down hard on traffickers to protect addicts, I'm not aware that it criminalizes participation in twelve-step groups. I don't see things in black and white wereby anything that sits on one side of some artificial line is a 'police state and everything else isn't, whereby we have a choice between anarchy and oppression and nothing can exist between these.two extremes. I actually lament the excessive worship of liberty above all else in our society.

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5 minutes ago, Machjo said:

I don't see things in black and white

I do, when it comes to authoritarianism and authoritarians that promote it.

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I actually lament the excessive worship of liberty above all else in our society.

I lament the hypocrisy in the worshipping, especially given our support for dictators. 

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17 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I do, when it comes to authoritarianism and authoritarians that promote it.

I lament the hypocrisy in the worshipping, especially given our support for dictators. 

So we have to legalize and deregulate absolutely everything  to prove we're not a dictatorship?

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