Jerusalem is Israel's Capital...

Rue · March 2, 2018

13 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

But we also know Tel-Aviv was the capital of Israel for some time.

We do not know- you however think YOU do.

Jerusalem was declared Israel's capital in 1950. Between 1948 and 1950 constant attacks by Jordan and terrorists on the West Bank and form East Jerusalem delayed the full operations of the capital but it was always Jerusalem. The fact that the government operated out of Tel Aviv until the war in 1949 ended and operational functions could be fully commenced after the 1949 war in 1950 did not make Tel Aviv the capital of Israel ever. The law that created the state of Israel defined Jerusalem as its capital.

As usual you spew horse crap.

GostHacked · March 3, 2018

On 3/1/2018 at 6:50 PM, Rue said:

Jerusalem remained and has always been the capital of the Jewish collective whether Israel existed or not. You again deny deliberately Jewish history and the meaning of Jerusalem in the Jewish collective identity.

Jerusalem was NOT always the capital of Israel. Simply because there was no Israel for a very very long time. Jews can claim some historical religious connection to Jerusalem which I am not denying at all. However, you must have a nation to claim a city as it's capital. And you must remain in control of the capital. There were centuries where the Jews simply did not control Jerusalem.

On 3/1/2018 at 6:48 PM, Rue said:

I am challenging your words. Your attempt once again to try deflect from your words I challengeand draw me into references to you as a person will not work.

Well you did use HERR a couple times when addressing me? What was the point of that?

DogOnPorch · March 3, 2018

1 hour ago, GostHacked said:

Jerusalem was NOT always the capital of Israel. Simply because there was no Israel for a very very long time. Jews can claim some historical religious connection to Jerusalem which I am not denying at all. However, you must have a nation to claim a city as it's capital. And you must remain in control of the capital. There were centuries where the Jews simply did not control Jerusalem.

Well you did use HERR a couple times when addressing me? What was the point of that?

A Muslim army besieged and sacked Jerusalem in the 7th century. Upon finding the ruins of the Jewish Second Temple (in ruins from Roman times), Caliph Omar decided that this was the very site that Muhammad flew to in a dream aboard a griffin to receive the Quran from Allah. This is the only reason Jerusalem figures in Islam...because it was the detested Jews' holiest place...appropriated and smashed via iconoclasm.

That's how she works...

Hint: flying hadn't been invented yet...Muhammad never set foot in Jerusalem.

GostHacked · March 4, 2018

4 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

A Muslim army besieged and sacked Jerusalem in the 7th century. Upon finding the ruins of the Jewish Second Temple (in ruins from Roman times), Caliph Omar decided that this was the very site that Muhammad flew to in a dream aboard a griffin to receive the Quran from Allah. This is the only reason Jerusalem figures in Islam...because it was the detested Jews' holiest place...appropriated and smashed via iconoclasm.

That's how she works...

Hint: flying hadn't been invented yet...Muhammad never set foot in Jerusalem.

That backs up my argument more than it does for Rue's.

jbg · March 4, 2018

On 3/1/2018 at 6:44 PM, GostHacked said:

Jerusalem was not always the capital of Israel. Simply because there was a time when Israel did not exist.

But we also know Tel-Aviv was the capital of Israel for some time.

No longer than New York City was capital of the United States under the Constitution.

eyeball · March 4, 2018

On 3/1/2018 at 4:00 PM, Rue said:

We do not know- you however think YOU do.

Jerusalem was declared Israel's capital in 1950. Between 1948 and 1950 constant attacks by Jordan and terrorists on the West Bank and form East Jerusalem delayed the full operations of the capital but it was always Jerusalem. The fact that the government operated out of Tel Aviv until the war in 1949 ended and operational functions could be fully commenced after the 1949 war in 1950 did not make Tel Aviv the capital of Israel ever.

The law that created the state of Israel defined Jerusalem as its capital.

Oh get over yourself, everyone knows it was a crazy assed orangutan who made it happen.

DogOnPorch · March 4, 2018

14 hours ago, GostHacked said:

That backs up my argument more than it does for Rue's.

You don't have an argument.

I'm just stating the facts re: Jerusalem.

It was the Mufti who rebuilt the Temple Mount and gave it a gold covering. When Mark Twain toured the region, it was deserted and the temple in ruin from numerous earthquakes...so important Jerusalem was to Muslims.

maymoon · March 5, 2018

8 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

I'm just stating the facts re: Jerusalem.

If you like facts, then:

The General Assembly cannot pass legally binding resolutions over international issues, the United Nations Security Council, which has the authority to do so, has passed a total of six Security Council resolutions on Israel on the matter, including UNSC resolution 478 which affirmed that the enactment of the 1980 Basic Jerusalem Law declaring unified Jerusalem as Israel's "eternal and indivisible" capital, was a violation of international law. The resolution advised member states to withdraw their diplomatic representation from the city. The Security Council, as well as the UN in general, has consistently affirmed the position that East Jerusalem is occupied territory subject to the provisions of the Fourth Geneva Convention. The International Court of Justice in its 2004 Advisory opinion on the "Legal Consequences of the Construction of a Wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory" described East Jerusalem as "occupied Palestinian territory".

Rue · March 5, 2018

15 hours ago, maymoon said:

If you like facts, then:

The General Assembly cannot pass legally binding resolutions over international issues, the United Nations Security Council, which has the authority to do so, has passed a total of six Security Council resolutions on Israel on the matter, including UNSC resolution 478 which affirmed that the enactment of the 1980 Basic Jerusalem Law declaring unified Jerusalem as Israel's "eternal and indivisible" capital, was a violation of international law. The resolution advised member states to withdraw their diplomatic representation from the city. The Security Council, as well as the UN in general, has consistently affirmed the position that East Jerusalem is occupied territory subject to the provisions of the Fourth Geneva Convention. The International Court of Justice in its 2004 Advisory opinion on the "Legal Consequences of the Construction of a Wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory" described East Jerusalem as "occupied Palestinian territory".

Yes. The UN can NOT bass legally binding resolutions over international issues and there is a reason the International Court of Justice issues " an advisory opinion" and not a legally enforceable decision. In fact the "advisory opinion" is only that an "advisory opinion". It is in fact an OPINION not a legal decision. There is a reason its an OPINION. It is an opinion because its not enforceable.

Where the opinion is subject to further discussion which renders it non binding is it can not prevent the construction of a wall if it can be shown that wall prevents terrorist attacks. If the wall can be demonstrated to prevent terrorist attacks then that wall becomes a defensive tool which ANY sovereign state is allowed to use to protect itself.

There is no doubt at all, from a social an emotional perspective the construction of the wall causes collective psychological damage to the people in the West bank who are not in support of Israel's existence. If that was the only issue in deciding its validity then that would be it. The fact is the UN can make all the POLITICAL statements it wants but it can not say and prevent any sovereign state including Israel from creating safe defensible borders.

Palestinians can be their own worst enemy. Had they chosen the path of Ghandi and not terrorism all their arguments would work. They can not however argue they are entitled to all the things they argue while they elect terrorists as their leaders who are in a declared state of war to remove Israel and turn it into a Sharia law state which the PA and Hamas in their Charters openly state. You can't legally have it both ways. You can't openly declare you stand for the violent destruction of Israel including attacking Jews worldwide with one cheek, and then in the other demand the very international laws you claim to ignore to defend your right to do so.

The anti Israelis on this board limp along with a pathetic PA script which poses the PA of having clean hands and being a follower of international law. The PA does not have clean hands. As we speak it has a wing, Al Fatah that is engaging in war crimes, internal law violations, Human Rights violations yet this criminal, demands the UN protect and defend it. The UBN lost any credibility when it reinvented a definition of refugee for Palestinians no other refugee in the world is allowed to have. It then further removed any credibility when it was shown and refused to stop its vehicles and bases on the West Bank and in Gaza from being used by Hamas and the PA as weapons storage and attack sites.

The UN lost any credibility when it knew Hamas and the PA were shooting rockets right next to UN peacekeeping sites so that if the Israeli Defence Forces short back at that site it would kill UN observers. The Canadian armed forces repeatedly advised the UN to tell Hamas and the PA to stop using UN observer points like they did civilian apartments, hospitals, schools and mosques, but the UN said nothing.

The days of the UN being a neutral peace mediator are long since over. The UN allowed "peace-keeping" Chinese troops in Syria to build elaborate missile rail systems to be used by Hezbollah to attack Israel. The UN has allowed its hospitals to be used to store weapons and be used as military headquarters by Hamas and the PA. Its reports against Israel were even exposed as incorrect by Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International which are far from supporters of Israel.

Bottom line is the Arab League and Iran have compromised the ability of the UN to have any neutral peace role in the Middle East not just with the Israeli-Palestinian dispute but the thousands of other disputes in the Middle East.

The anti Israels only focus on the Israeli Palestinian dispute as if its the only one while in fact the entire Muslim world of the Middle East is paralyzed by thousands of disputes. As we speak numerouisAfrican nations have internal civil wars raging with Muslim terrorist groups. Mail, Rwanda, Malawi, Central African Republic, Burkinea Faso (the former Upper Volta), Chad, Dahomey, Senegal, Nigeria, Sudan, Tunisia, Algeria, former Spanish Sahara, Ethiopia, Egypt,Somalia, Eritrea, Tanzania, Kenya. Then there are Muslim exrtremuist cells causing havoc in the Philippines, Russia, China, Pakistan, Afghanistan, certain islands in Indonesia, Bangladesh, villages in Sri Lanka, inner cities across Europe responsible for terror attacks.

The world is covered in disputes with Muslim extremist cells. Where and what has the UN done? It can't do a thing. Did it as it said disarm Hezbollah? Was it able to prevent the genocide of Kurds by Iran, Turkey and Iraq? Where was the UN when the leader of Turkey shut down his press, locked up his opposition? Where has the UN been in regards to Yemen, Bahrain?

Where is the UN as Arab League nations allow and trade in the illegal sale of cheap African, Pakistani, Bangla Deshi, Fillipinno, Indonesian labour? Where was the UN duringt he massacre of Yazidi, Bahaiis, gays, students in Muslim nations? Where has it been when women of have had their genitals mutilated or have been stoned to death? Hmmmmm?

The UN why we even discussing it in this thread. I will tell you why. Because this is the UN that turned its back on the Jews of the world in 1949 and waited for the Arab League of Nations to finish what Hitler started and then when that failed did NOTHING. This is the UN that had to be shamed by Elenor Roosevelt to back off and not prevent her from helping Jews of the Middle East Muslim nations that defined Jews as inferiors not able to own land had to flee to Israel along with holocaust survivors.

The UN?

http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/article/un-and-israel-history-discrimination

https://www.dailywire.com/news/11819/heres-what-you-need-know-about-uns-israel-hatred-james-barrett

Hell even the former head of the UN admtis how bias the UN is agaibnst Israel:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/171010

The bottom line is, the future of Jerusalem is up to Israelis and Palestinians living in Jerusalem, not the UN, not the anti Israeli pissantes, not some arm chair leftists who have never been to the West Bank or Israel and haven't a clue which big nose they see is Arab or Israeli.

DogOnPorch · March 5, 2018

15 hours ago, maymoon said:

If you like facts, then:

The General Assembly cannot pass legally binding resolutions over international issues, the United Nations Security Council, which has the authority to do so, has passed a total of six Security Council resolutions on Israel on the matter, including UNSC resolution 478 which affirmed that the enactment of the 1980 Basic Jerusalem Law declaring unified Jerusalem as Israel's "eternal and indivisible" capital, was a violation of international law. The resolution advised member states to withdraw their diplomatic representation from the city. The Security Council, as well as the UN in general, has consistently affirmed the position that East Jerusalem is occupied territory subject to the provisions of the Fourth Geneva Convention. The International Court of Justice in its 2004 Advisory opinion on the "Legal Consequences of the Construction of a Wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory" described East Jerusalem as "occupied Palestinian territory".

The Arabs chose to follow a Nazi on the run from the noose who chose to start a war which they then promptly lost.

Stop blaming the Jews for the Arab's poor military abilities.

marcus · March 5, 2018

17 minutes ago, Rue said:

Palestinians can be their own worst enemy. Had they chosen the path of Ghandi and not terrorism all their arguments would work.

Only the charlatans who keep repeating that believe what you're saying.

The problem is not the Palestinians. The problem is Zionism.

Zionists have lost the plot— they see the noble anger, the common sense, the global popularity, the precise wordings of those who are standing up for the Palestinians, like Roger Walters and they are bewildered where did all those masses of millions they wasted on their Hasbara propaganda to demonize the Palestinians go —

Today Jews, Christians, Muslims, atheists, agnostics — makes no difference — there is a global public outrage that is staring Zionism down— they have lost the plot — the one and only solution — the one state solution — is brighter than ever promises a future of peace and justice for all the inhabitants of Palestine—Jews, Christians, Muslim or otherwise! Zionism (just like Militant Islamism) was a historical calamity abusing people of their ancestral faith —

DogOnPorch · March 5, 2018

1 minute ago, marcus said:

Only the charlatans who keep repeating that believe what you're saying.

The problem is not the Palestinians. The problem is Zionism.

Zionists have lost the plot— they see the noble anger, the common sense, the global popularity, the precise wordings of those who are standing up for the Palestinians, like Roger Walters and they are bewildered where did all those masses of millions they wasted on their Hasbara propaganda to demonize the Palestinians go —

Today Jews, Christians, Muslims, atheists, agnostics — makes no difference — there is a global public outrage that is staring Zionism down— they have lost the plot — the one and only solution — the one state solution — is brighter than ever promises a future of peace and justice for all the inhabitants of Palestine—Jews, Christians, Muslim or otherwise! Zionism (just like Militant Islamism) was a historical calamity abusing people of their ancestral faith —

Good ol' Jew-hating Roger.

Islam is the problem. Not Jews. Your buddies started the war.

GostHacked · March 5, 2018

33 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Good ol' Jew-hating Roger.

Islam is the problem. Not Jews. Your buddies started the war.

Projection, 'his buddies' and also throwing out the anti-semite card. I was hoping for another one but Meatloaf was correct in his notion.

On 3/4/2018 at 11:10 AM, DogOnPorch said:

You don't have an argument.

I'm just stating the facts re: Jerusalem.

It was the Mufti who rebuilt the Temple Mount and gave it a gold covering. When Mark Twain toured the region, it was deserted and the temple in ruin from numerous earthquakes...so important Jerusalem was to Muslims.

What is the relevance to the Jews not being in control of Jerusalem for centuries? The fact is Jerusalem has been in Jewish control (again) for only the last 80-100 years. Nothing you have said counters that notion.

DogOnPorch · March 6, 2018

7 hours ago, GostHacked said:

Projection, 'his buddies' and also throwing out the anti-semite card. I was hoping for another one but Meatloaf was correct in his notion.

What is the relevance to the Jews not being in control of Jerusalem for centuries? The fact is Jerusalem has been in Jewish control (again) for only the last 80-100 years. Nothing you have said counters that notion.

You have no notion and my factual information stands.

If the Arabs wanted peace, they wouldn't have started the war. Like Hillary, they didn't expect to lose to the likes of Jews...or Trump.

Rue · March 6, 2018

On 3/4/2018 at 3:52 AM, eyeball said:

Oh get over yourself, everyone knows it was a crazy assed orangutan who made it happen.

That was intelligent and it really helped clarify.

Rue · March 6, 2018

On 3/5/2018 at 11:16 AM, marcus said:

Only the charlatans who keep repeating that believe what you're saying.

The problem is not the Palestinians. The problem is Zionism.

Zionists have lost the plot— they see the noble anger, the common sense, the global popularity, the precise wordings of those who are standing up for the Palestinians, like Roger Walters and they are bewildered where did all those masses of millions they wasted on their Hasbara propaganda to demonize the Palestinians go —

Today Jews, Christians, Muslims, atheists, agnostics — makes no difference — there is a global public outrage that is staring Zionism down— they have lost the plot — the one and only solution — the one state solution — is brighter than ever promises a future of peace and justice for all the inhabitants of Palestine—Jews, Christians, Muslim or otherwise! Zionism (just like Militant Islamism) was a historical calamity abusing people of their ancestral faith —

You live in a fantasy world where you can't admit the terrorism you support has achieved nothing not just for Palestinians but any Muslims or anyone else who has tried to rely on it to impose their lifestyles.

Of course you responded with the above, you can't provide one thing terrorism has obtained or achieved for Palestinians. Instead you try promote this ridiculous concept that if hatred is widespread, that makes it legitimate.

One state solution. Lol. Yah. One sharia law Muslim state. Lol. No one reads your crap just you and your names Moe.

Rue · March 6, 2018

On 3/5/2018 at 11:18 AM, DogOnPorch said:

Good ol' Jew-hating Roger.

Islam is the problem. Not Jews. Your buddies started the war.

Oh come on one state solution. You know what that means. Freedom for all. Ahahahahahahah.

Rue · March 6, 2018

On 3/5/2018 at 11:54 AM, GostHacked said:

Projection, 'his buddies' and also throwing out the anti-semite card. I was hoping for another one but Meatloaf was correct in his notion.

Cut the crap Herr Gost.

Lol. You try bait, taunt and streer this conversation back to you each and every time to try play your continuous victim role.

Lol. Look at me!!!!!I am a victim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!The Jews accuse me of hating them!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EEEEEYAH. Its not about you Herr Gost although I must say your suggestion that Jews build their country on the ashes of holocaust dead and on top of gas chambers and death sites shows such love and affection for Jews. It was a lovely idea.

GostHacked · March 6, 2018

27 minutes ago, Rue said:

That was intelligent and it really helped clarify.

Yeah give us another poem Rue, that should show him!!

14 minutes ago, Rue said:

Cut the crap Herr Gost.

Lol. You try bait, taunt and streer this conversation back to you each and every time to try play your continuous victim role.

Lol. Look at me!!!!!I am a victim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!The Jews accuse me of hating them!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EEEEEYAH. Its not about you Herr Gost although I must say your suggestion that Jews build their country on the ashes of holocaust dead and on top of gas chambers and death sites shows such love and affection for Jews. It was a lovely idea.

There it is.

Rue · March 6, 2018

No here it is.

Your attempt to deny the Jewish connection to Jerusalem by re-writing history and using the word control was clumsy and failed.

Your presuming to tell Jews they should create Israel in Germany and then trying to defend that idea speaks loudly as to the smell coming out of your words.

What your words? I mean what? You suggest Jews build a nation where the holocaust was created and be questioned for that? You? I mean question you for not understanding why a Jew let alone any holocaust survivor would not want to start their life again in Germany is hateful? Oh hell no. Its sensitive. Its loving. Its affectionate. It shows a genuine affection for Jews and holocaust survivors it makes perfect sense. What how could anyone question your words right Gost.

Its about control. Isn't it? Yes in one cheek you suggest Jews have no right to Jerusalem as they don't control it, then with the other cheek suggest they build a nation where they had no connection or control. Makes sense. Its logical. That's the thing about you. You never state anything contradictory, deliberately hateful, etc. The only thing from you are words of love for Jews and a respect and knowledge of Jewish history.

There it is.

Here it is again.

maymoon · March 7, 2018

On 3/5/2018 at 7:54 AM, Rue said:

Yes. The UN can NOT bass legally binding resolutions over international issues and there is a reason the International Court of Justice issues " an advisory opinion" and not a legally enforceable decision. In fact the "advisory opinion" is only that an "advisory opinion". It is in fact an OPINION not a legal decision. There is a reason its an OPINION. It is an opinion because its not enforceable.

Where the opinion is subject to further discussion which renders it non binding is it can not prevent the construction of a wall if it can be shown that wall prevents terrorist attacks. If the wall can be demonstrated to prevent terrorist attacks then that wall becomes a defensive tool which ANY sovereign state is allowed to use to protect itself.

I don't think there would be any issue with the wall if it was within the internationally recognized Israeli territory. The problem with the legality of the wall is that it cuts well into Palestinian land. In some cases, the wall isolates and separates Palestinian land from other Palestinian areas, including schools and hospitals.

Many, including myself, see the wall not just as a defensive measure, but also as a way to continue to annex Palestinian land.

On 3/5/2018 at 7:54 AM, Rue said:

There is no doubt at all, from a social an emotional perspective the construction of the wall causes collective psychological damage to the people in the West bank who are not in support of Israel's existence. If that was the only issue in deciding its validity then that would be it. The fact is the UN can make all the POLITICAL statements it wants but it can not say and prevent any sovereign state including Israel from creating safe defensible borders.

Palestinians can be their own worst enemy. Had they chosen the path of Ghandi and not terrorism all their arguments would work. They can not however argue they are entitled to all the things they argue while they elect terrorists as their leaders who are in a declared state of war to remove Israel and turn it into a Sharia law state which the PA and Hamas in their Charters openly state. You can't legally have it both ways. You can't openly declare you stand for the violent destruction of Israel including attacking Jews worldwide with one cheek, and then in the other demand the very international laws you claim to ignore to defend your right to do

I would disagree with your assessment that the Palestinians are their own worst enemy. I would argue their worst enemy are the right wing Israelis who continue to want to take as much as land as possible and the neighbouring Arab governments who have chosen to respond to the financial and diplomatic incentives given to them by the U.S. government. In some ways I understand why these Arab governments do this. These governments (Jordan, Gulf States, Egypt and Saudi) know that without the diplomatic and financial incentives, they would very quickly lose power.

I don't agree that the Palestinians don't deserve a Palestinian State or that Israel should be given a pass for their numerous illegal actions because Hamas came to power. Before Hamas came to power, the PLO, who eventually and officially accepted a Palestinian State were in power. Israel continued to annex land and violate the rights of the Palestinians. I find it wrong to try to deflect and shift the blame on the Palestinians for what Israel is doing.

On 3/5/2018 at 7:54 AM, Rue said:

The anti Israelis on this board limp along with a pathetic PA script which poses the PA of having clean hands and being a follower of international law. The PA does not have clean hands.

The PA is definitely not innocent. At the same time, the PA's corruption is not an excuse to not criticize Israel's actions. I believe Israel is the major culprit. They have never shown real intentions to allow a Palestinian State to be formed.

On 3/5/2018 at 7:54 AM, Rue said:

The bottom line is, the future of Jerusalem is up to Israelis and Palestinians living in Jerusalem, not the UN, not the anti Israeli pissantes, not some arm chair leftists who have never been to the West Bank or Israel and haven't a clue which big nose they see is Arab or Israeli.

Your bottom line is that. I disagree that it's up to Israel to decide on Jerusalem. If we continued to allow the status quo to continue, Israel would continue to do what it has been doing in the past several decades. Which is to continue to annex Palestinian land. Unfortunately, one Israeli government after another, to different degree, have continued the same status quo. I don't think Israel has any appetite to change the course. There needs to be some accountability. I am still not convinced the BDS is the right approach, to push Israel to do the right thing. I feel that it will only push Israel to isolate itself and the people in Israel, just like most other people around the world, will end up backing their government, when they feel that they're being attacked. The question is, how can the rest of the world empower the people in Israel to stop supporting their government's illegal actions? How do we get these people to find empathy and sympathy for each other? Is this even possible?

DogOnPorch · March 7, 2018

7 hours ago, Rue said:

No here it is.

Your attempt to deny the Jewish connection to Jerusalem by re-writing history and using the word control was clumsy and failed.

Your presuming to tell Jews they should create Israel in Germany and then trying to defend that idea speaks loudly as to the smell coming out of your words.

What your words? I mean what? You suggest Jews build a nation where the holocaust was created and be questioned for that? You? I mean question you for not understanding why a Jew let alone any holocaust survivor would not want to start their life again in Germany is hateful? Oh hell no. Its sensitive. Its loving. Its affectionate. It shows a genuine affection for Jews and holocaust survivors it makes perfect sense. What how could anyone question your words right Gost.

Its about control. Isn't it? Yes in one cheek you suggest Jews have no right to Jerusalem as they don't control it, then with the other cheek suggest they build a nation where they had no connection or control. Makes sense. Its logical. That's the thing about you. You never state anything contradictory, deliberately hateful, etc. The only thing from you are words of love for Jews and a respect and knowledge of Jewish history.

There it is.

Here it is again.

That flag, however, saw more use outside the Mandate than inside.

This was what was flapping in the breeze back then...and the Union Jack.

DogOnPorch · March 7, 2018

48 minutes ago, maymoon said:

The PA is definitely not innocent.

Yeah...butchering school children on buses tends to do that.

Edited March 7, 2018 by DogOnPorch

eyeball · March 7, 2018

11 hours ago, Rue said:

That was intelligent and it really helped clarify.

You're welcome.

marcus · March 7, 2018

2 hours ago, maymoon said:

I am still not convinced the BDS is the right approach, to push Israel to do the right thing. I feel that it will only push Israel to isolate itself and the people in Israel, just like most other people around the world, will end up backing their government, when they feel that they're being attacked. The question is, how can the rest of the world empower the people in Israel to stop supporting their government's illegal actions? How do we get these people to find empathy and sympathy for each other? Is this even possible?

I used to feel this way. However, I think the time is up for Israel. It is time to isolate the Israeli government, much like apartheid South Africa was isolated through economical and cultural boycotts. Western governments are not going to take any positive steps until they notice people around the world will no longer support governments or political parties who will stay silent while Israel continues to violate the rights of the Palestinians.

Desmond Tutu:

"I have witnessed the systemic humiliation of Palestinian men, women and children by members of the Israeli security forces," he said in a statement.

"Their humiliation is familiar to all black South Africans who were corralled and harassed and insulted and assaulted by the security forces of the apartheid government."

Observers in South Africa are preparing to mark "Israeli Apartheid Week" on Monday. Tutu, meanwhile, has declared his support for the use of boycotts and economic sanctions as a means to compel Israel to alter its policies.

"In South Africa, we could not have achieved our democracy without the help of people around the world, who through the use of non-violent means, such as boycotts and divestment, encouraged their governments and other corporate actors to reverse decades-long support for the apartheid regime," he told News24.

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