Energy East is done.

[hot enough]

On 10/5/2017 at 9:59 AM, PIK said:

Do[sic] to interference from the liberals, trans canada has quit. But this remark from Carr is interesting.

Did I erase all the good points you wrote about what the "interference" is/was, PIK? 

Was this, 

''Mr. Carr said Ottawa's job is to regulate in Canada. He added the Liberals are not prepared to engage in a "race to the bottom" to match environmental regulations in Venezuela or Saudi Arabia.''

one of them?

Edited October 7, 2017 by hot enough

[drummindiver]

Oh if only there was a safer way than trains. #energyeast

https://globalnews.ca/news/3791074/train-cars-carrying-crude-oil-derail-in-coalhurst-alta-fire-official/amp/

[taxme]

On ‎2017‎-‎10‎-‎05 at 2:20 PM, eyeball said:

The time to have made hay with Canada's oil sands was decades ago.

Count me in the leave-it-in-the-ground crowd now.  There are less harmful sources of oil in the world that will suffice until carbon is mostly phased out so who needs it...Alberta? Like I said, the time for Alberta to make hay with their oil sands was decades ago.  There's no excuse whatsoever to say it couldn't or shouldn't have been done, not with the example Norway provided and as evidenced by their possession of largest sovereign fund in the known universe.

I chalk our failure up to a combination of our misbegotten constitution coupled with some of the slackest institutions of official accountability in the developed world.  The former is unable to deal with the latter because our political system is loath to open up the former to change.

Stuck between a stupid and a selfish place we are.    

I blame the environ"mental"ists, the Indians and it's all about me politicians for why this country is fast becoming a third world hell hole. We truly are stuck between a stupid and selfish place.   

[taxme]

On ‎2017‎-‎10‎-‎05 at 8:59 AM, PIK said:

Do to interference from the liberals, trans canada has quit. But this remark from Carr is interesting.

 

''Mr. Carr said Ottawa's job is to regulate in Canada. He added the Liberals are not prepared to engage in a "race to the bottom" to match environmental regulations in Venezuela or Saudi Arabia.''

 

 So without pipelines I guess that is where our oil will come from. lol

By our oil from an Islamist terrorist state or from a communist state. Our fearless political leaders have no morals nor could careless about Canada. Just listen to the Indians and the environ"mental"ists. They know better and will be there to help create tens of thousands of new jobs for Canadians. I guess that maybe one of the reasons why trudeau wants to bring in more refugees from the third world is because he is hoping that they will create tens of thousands of new jobs for old laid off whitey. The lieberals are racing Canada to the bottom alright, and the majority of Canadians could careless. Like I have said many times here. The majority of Canadians are only good at asking themselves as to what is good for me-me-me, and my money. To hell with the next guy/gal. Just saying.

[taxme]

15 hours ago, drummindiver said:

Oh if only there was a safer way than trains. #energyeast

https://globalnews.ca/news/3791074/train-cars-carrying-crude-oil-derail-in-coalhurst-alta-fire-official/amp/

Anyone thought about planes yet? They would probably appreciate the business.    

[eyeball]

10 hours ago, taxme said:

We truly are stuck between a stupid and selfish place.   

That's okay, we're exactly where we need to be as the the only path to enlightenment is a painful one.

Fortunately, we haven't seen anything yet which is to say that when we finally do we'll know we're still on the path. 

[drummindiver]

On 07/10/2017 at 6:37 AM, marcus said:

Excuse me while I interrupt this little ignorant circle jerk here with some reality.

Guess who has been ranked #1 as the best country to do business?

Here is a hint: It's a leftist (socialist/communist - eh Betsy?), immigrant/refugee loving country, which is falling apart (right Betsy?):

https://www.forbes.com/best-countries-for-business/list/#tab:overall

Canada sits 10th in the world.

Sorry Trudeau-hating whiners.

More evidence against your boy.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article/canada-no-longer-among-top-10-most-economically-free-countries

[taxme]

5 hours ago, drummindiver said:

More evidence against your boy.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article/canada-no-longer-among-top-10-most-economically-free-countries

These liberal/trudeau fans will never get it. I have friends who are die hard liberals and there is nothing that trudeau or the liberals can do that is  not seen as being great for Canada. They would rather watch Canada burn to the ground than vote for the conservative party. The trudeaus gave us metric, bilingualism, multiculturalism, massive third world immigration and endless foreign aid which has only put Canada into the debt that it is in today. Those programs and agendas have done nothing for Canada one bit. Liberalism is a sickness.

[PIK]

Now we know that trudeau told the truth by mistake when he said he is going to phase out the oil sands. Is everybody blind to what is happening? How are we going to pay for all the social bills in this country, turbines?

[dialamah]

5 hours ago, PIK said:

How are we going to pay for all the social bills in this country, turbines?

Rich Conservatives, how else?

[eyeball]

22 hours ago, PIK said:

Now we know that trudeau told the truth by mistake when he said he is going to phase out the oil sands. Is everybody blind to what is happening? How are we going to pay for all the social bills in this country, turbines?

Marijuana.

oh, wait a minute.

[drummindiver]

17 hours ago, dialamah said:

Rich Conservatives, how else?

You're welcome.

[peoples advocate]

On ‎2017‎-‎10‎-‎05 at 9:59 AM, PIK said:

Do to interference from the liberals, trans canada has quit. But this remark from Carr is interesting.

 

''Mr. Carr said Ottawa's job is to regulate in Canada. He added the Liberals are not prepared to engage in a "race to the bottom" to match environmental regulations in Venezuela or Saudi Arabia.''

 

 So without pipelines I guess that is where our oil will come from. lol

Most of our oil is owned by the U.S.A .

 Oil Companies have no one to blame but themselves they are not trustworthy enough to undertake anything like this anymore. They have done damage every where they go leaving the tax payers to pay for the clean ups . There have been 9000 significant pipeline related incidents in North America between 1986 -2016 , 8.5 billion in damage . The U.S.A. since 2010 had 9 million gallons spilled ,

Last year in Canada 122 reported oil and gas spills.

 You can count on one thing only and that is they will cut corners where ever they can they never really care about our water ways and land. another thing is most studies done are paid for by oil companies so how biased do you think they are ?

 Imagine if you will had these companies taken care of the environment as they should have we would not have these debates at all and I hear that "oh they pay for clean ups"  well they do not it always falls on to the tax payers one way or another.

[PIK]

On 10/22/2017 at 1:13 AM, peoples advocate said:

Most of our oil is owned by the U.S.A .

 Oil Companies have no one to blame but themselves they are not trustworthy enough to undertake anything like this anymore. They have done damage every where they go leaving the tax payers to pay for the clean ups . There have been 9000 significant pipeline related incidents in North America between 1986 -2016 , 8.5 billion in damage . The U.S.A. since 2010 had 9 million gallons spilled ,

Last year in Canada 122 reported oil and gas spills.

 You can count on one thing only and that is they will cut corners where ever they can they never really care about our water ways and land. another thing is most studies done are paid for by oil companies so how biased do you think they are ?

 Imagine if you will had these companies taken care of the environment as they should have we would not have these debates at all and I hear that "oh they pay for clean ups"  well they do not it always falls on to the tax payers one way or another.

And how much damage was done or how many people died. 

Lac-Mégantic anyone??? So PA when your ilk get rid of the oil business in canada how are we going to afford your welfare checks?

Edited October 26, 2017 by PIK

[peoples advocate]

5 hours ago, PIK said:

And how much damage was done or how many people died. 

Lac-Mégantic anyone??? So PA when your ilk get rid of the oil business in canada how are we going to afford your welfare checks?

 

5 hours ago, PIK said:

And how much damage was done or how many people died. 

Lac-Mégantic anyone??? So PA when your ilk get rid of the oil business in canada how are we going to afford your welfare checks?

 Well lets see since 1986 - 2016 there was 9000 that is nine thousand pipeline related incidents and 8.5 Billion dollars in damage  and in U.S.A alone since 2010  9 Million Gallons spilled.

 so let me see, should we allow the oil companies who have shown no thought process at all about truly protecting our environment permission to do more damage just to put money in the pockets of shareholders ....NO

[Thinkinoutsidethebox]

On 07/10/2017 at 11:47 AM, blackbird said:

We will be paupers before long the way Trudeau is going.

You obviously don't understand how the free market system works.  Because Alberta cannot ship much oil to international markets, it is forced to sell it at a lower price to the Americans.  They are the big beneficiaries of no pipelines to the east coast.  Enabling Alberta to ship it's oil to the east coast through an Energy East pipeline would have allowed them to ship Canadian oil across the Atlantic to Europe and other countries, thus reducing the dependency on the U.S. market.  This would have meant they would get a higher price for their oil.

I wonder what it costs to ship oil that far?

It still bugs me they would be shipping oil right through an area that imports refined oil at world prices from the US. 

[PIK]

Quenbec gets what it again. Time to stop all equalization payments to quebec. 

[PIK]

On 10/26/2017 at 8:21 PM, peoples advocate said:

 

 Well lets see since 1986 - 2016 there was 9000 that is nine thousand pipeline related incidents and 8.5 Billion dollars in damage  and in U.S.A alone since 2010  9 Million Gallons spilled.

 so let me see, should we allow the oil companies who have shown no thought process at all about truly protecting our environment permission to do more damage just to put money in the pockets of shareholders ....NO

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/highway-400-fatal-pileup-cookstown-1.4381540

 

I would prefer a leak now and again that is easily cleaned up without this!!!!

When are people going to wake up.

[Thinkinoutsidethebox]

3 hours ago, PIK said:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/highway-400-fatal-pileup-cookstown-1.4381540

 

I would prefer a leak now and again that is easily cleaned up without this!!!!

When are people going to wake up.

Actually, that has nothing to do with crude oil transportation, those trucks deliver from fuel distribution points to gas stations and such. That's not going to change.

[peoples advocate]

On ‎2017‎-‎11‎-‎02 at 12:38 PM, Thinkinoutsidethebox said:

Actually, that has nothing to do with crude oil transportation, those trucks deliver from fuel distribution points to gas stations and such. That's not going to change.

wrong those are pipeline stats add the small little ones and it becomes a much larger story

 

[peoples advocate]

Last posting on this site, People on this site feel as though they have true knowledge but a lot of time they have no facts and when presented with real facts they try to fudge things to make it seam as though they are right I guess the moto of this site is a lie becomes the truth when you make enough people believe it.

 Also the moderators try to make it as though they are lords of knowledge when in fact they are only reading articles and putting a spin on it . You all live in this fantasy political world where you pretend you have some say. None of you works toward solutions you just act like gossips.

 I leave you all now so you can go on and debate things while real men and women are working at change. And by the way to the site monitors " kiss my ass "