Nationalist Groups in Canada

[drummindiver]

18 minutes ago, hot enough said:

The US is full of such "christian" churches. Preachers who fully support the war crimes and the terrorism of their governments. Billy Graham advocated genocidal policies against the Vietnamese. It is the "christians" [not all mind you] who have plumped for, wholly supported the slaughter of tens of millions of people by the US around the world. 

All the US raping and pillaging the poor countries was often defended as bringing salvation to the heathens. That line of utter bullshit fell out of favor because even the dumbest found it suspect. 

Please provide links of all those churches teaching the Old Testament. 

More of your bullshit.

 

[Michael Hardner]

22 minutes ago, hot enough said:

Because it might lead you to a point where you would have to acknowledge the evil that is the USA and you do not want the childish fairy tale you cling to to be blown up

Huh ?  The question that was being asked was "So how many people did Jesus murder again?"

How does that lead me to 'the evil that is the USA' ?  

Yet another sloppy post, trying to make something up about nothing.  

[Argus]

4 hours ago, jacee said:

Tell the US & allies to stop bombing their countries, then.

I find this bizzaro world belief of the far left that all the world's problems come from the US to be little more than expression of their contempt for America, primarily because it's capitalist. In terms of the middle east,  western responses are always portrayed by the far left as being the cause of the problem in the first place. Is it willful self-blindness or something else?

Most of the migrants flooding into Europe or elsewhere don't come from Iraq or Syria. Most are North African, though there are Turks, Egyptians, Lebanese, Jordanians, Palestinians, Afghans and Iranians in the mix too.

Edited September 5, 2017 by Argus

[Michael Hardner]

Just now, Argus said:

Is it willful self-blindness or something else?

A little of bit of demonization, sure, but it's also not like the US does things like, say, invade a country then refuse to admit its refugees.

I do try to point out, though, that the US did not cause all the problems they're made out to even where they exacerbate them.

[Argus]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

A little of bit of demonization, sure, but it's also not like the US does things like, say, invade a country then refuse to admit its refugees.

I do try to point out, though, that the US did not cause all the problems they're made out to even where they exacerbate them.

The phrase we've heard from the far left here numerous times 'stop bombing them' is patently absurd given that when the US was actually IN Iraq and bombing steadily there was no such flood of refugees or migrants. The flood started well after the US left, after the 'arab spring' inspired rebellion in Syria, the government wasn't able to put it down, and hard-line fundamentalist Muslims used it as a pretext for jihad. Their extreme violence and fanaticism led to victories, and then spillover into Iraq, whose corrupt government had siphoned off funds for the military and appointed friends and relatives as generals - who had no military abilities and who also siphoned off money for themselves. In one incident a full division (10,000) of Iraqi troops abandoned their tanks, artillery, armored vehicles, weapons and uniforms, and ran for it at the approach of a couple of hundred ISIS fighters in pickups. It was then that the refugees flooded into nearby countries. As things deteriorated the US and a few other Western allies began to assist the Iraqis by bombing ISIS.

And the far left then began to bleat that it was Western bombing which was causing the mess.

Then that pathetic fool Angela Merkal basically offered up citizenship to anyone who could reach Germany, and the flood really started. Similar fools in Sweden offered up much the same.

Yet it's all supposed to be because of western bombing. 

[taxme]

17 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Yeah but I answered your question, (presumably related to bias in posting on this topic? ) so why are you saying that ?  

The more I waste my time talking with someone like you, avoider, the more it would appear to me as though I must be somehow talking to a computer created talking concrete wall, not a real person. I didn't think that it could be possible to have a conversation with a talking concrete wall but obviously it is possible. Technology today is amazing indeed. Chuckle-chuckle. 

[Michael Hardner]

58 minutes ago, taxme said:

The more I waste my time talking with someone like you, avoider, the more it would appear to me as though I must be somehow talking to a computer created talking concrete wall, not a real person. I didn't think that it could be possible to have a conversation with a talking concrete wall but obviously it is possible. Technology today is amazing indeed. Chuckle-chuckle. 

Again, I answered you.  I am not sure if I still have unanswered questions prompting the 'avoider' tag.  You could ask them or keep name calling. I am going to move on from this semantic fog.

 

[taxme]

52 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Again, I answered you.  I am not sure if I still have unanswered questions prompting the 'avoider' tag.  You could ask them or keep name calling. I am going to move on from this semantic fog.

 

Indeed you should quit avoider because that fog that has surrounded you is not doing very much for you except maybe clouding your thinking and making you look more foolish by the day. Just saying. When you finally answer the question that I have asked you to answer what seems like forever maybe than I will stop using the word avoider. And don't play the fools game with me? You know what those questions were.  I await. 

[Michael Hardner]

15 minutes ago, taxme said:

When you finally answer the question that I have asked you to answer what seems like forever maybe than I will stop using the word avoider.

I am Catholic.  

[betsy]

On 8/22/2017 at 5:36 PM, Michael Hardner said:

If people want the statues gone, they should go.

 

 

Why should it be up to the people?  If people want to change history, therefore it should be?

Furthermore, why should it be up to a CERTAIN GROUP of people?

Edited September 5, 2017 by betsy

[betsy]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

A little of bit of demonization, sure, but it's also not like the US does things like, say, invade a country then refuse to admit its refugees.

 

Oh, no!  Michael....you crossed over?  Hot Enough got to you in the end?

When it comes to the USA, there's a very fine line separating HE from the alt-left. 

Edited September 5, 2017 by betsy

[Michael Hardner]

25 minutes ago, betsy said:

Why should it be up to the people? 

I suppose we could leave all decisions with the beloved all-knowing leader.

[Michael Hardner]

23 minutes ago, betsy said:

Oh, no!  Michael....you crossed over?  Hot Enough got to you in the end?

You really think HE would agree with me that "a little bit of demonization" of America happens ?  Your binary glasses are on again.

[dre]

9 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

A little of bit of demonization, sure, but it's also not like the US does things like, say, invade a country then refuse to admit its refugees.

I do try to point out, though, that the US did not cause all the problems they're made out to even where they exacerbate them.

This line of discussion always goes nowhere.  People in each camp try to cast the "other" size as evil geniuses.  Some people just have a need to do this... its a personality trait.

The reality is... These various countries being talked about operate the same way... They are all primarily aligned around their own self interest, and the pursuit of that makes some people happy and some other people angry.  Americans arent "evil". Neither or Iranians, or North Koreans. The people in these countries are the victims of fraud.

[hot enough]

10 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I do try to point out, though, that the US did not cause all the problems they're made out to even where they exacerbate them.

Always with no evidence/proof. 

[hot enough]

29 minutes ago, dre said:

Americans arent "evil". Neither or Iranians, or North Koreans. The people in these countries are the victims of fraud.

There's no comparison. The German were attacked for allowing the Nazi evils. And the Nazis only had a short run. The US has had a run of well over a century of evil equal to the Nazis and the people of "government of the people, by the people, for the people" have done nothing but support this evil, with the usual caveat that there are most assuredly decent American folks. 

[Michael Hardner]

8 hours ago, hot enough said:

Always with no evidence/proof. 

It's hard to prove a negative, but also sometimes it's easy.

"the US did not cause all the problems "

For ISIL, which is a problem, where did the funding come from ?  Julian Assange asserts Quatar and Saudi Arabia is funding them:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finances_of_ISIL

Ipso facto, the US didn't cause 'all the problems'.

[hot enough]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

It's hard to prove a negative, but also sometimes it's easy.

"the US did not cause all the problems "

For ISIL, which is a problem, where did the funding come from ?  Julian Assange asserts Quatar and Saudi Arabia is funding them:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finances_of_ISIL

Ipso facto, the US didn't cause 'all the problems'.

Who controls Saudi Arabia and Quatar, Michael? Come on, do you think that these countries live in a vacuum, that they don't know of Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Cambodia, Indonesia, ... all the countries the US/UK rearranged in the ME? 

Still no evidence.

Do you need a bigger shovel?

Edited September 6, 2017 by hot enough

[Michael Hardner]

1 minute ago, hot enough said:

1. Who controls Saudi Arabia and Quatar, Michael?  

2. Do you need a bigger shovel?

1. 'Controls' them ?  I understand they have kings and emirs.

2. Insults.  I'm going to move on from your fantasyland, in which the USA controls the entire earth, all of its nations, and is to blame for all bad things but receives no credit for all good things.  You belong to the 'binary' team of people who can only see pure good and evil in anything you post.  If you can imagine a board where there is no grey, where everything is black and white, where one can only post truth and falsehoods... that is the board you want and should find.  That means discussion is not required or even possible.

[hot enough]

10 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. 'Controls' them ?  I understand they have kings and emirs.

2. Insults.  I'm going to move on from your fantasyland, in which the USA controls the entire earth, all of its nations, and is to blame for all bad things but receives no credit for all good things.  You belong to the 'binary' team of people who can only see pure good and evil in anything you post.  If you can imagine a board where there is no grey, where everything is black and white, where one can only post truth and falsehoods... that is the board you want and should find.  That means discussion is not required or even possible.

Very lame, Michael. Why have you fled from the 911 thread?

Of course discussion is possible but you illustrate clearly that you have no desire to engage in honest discussion. You avoid these issues solely because you hold a childish fantasy of what the USA is all about. I had the same fantasy, it was at least as strong as yours but a funny thing happened, the truth got in the way. 

You directly avoid direct questions, opting for your song and dance routines, see above for a good example. 

The very truth you are now running from, as you always do. That is not the American way, Michael. You don't even believe in the grandiose tenets of the USA but you sure are making use of the usual US duck and cover platitudes.

[PIK]

On 9/5/2017 at 0:37 PM, drummindiver said:

Please provide links of all those churches teaching the Old Testament. 

More of your bullshit.

 

Well I went and looked and can't find any evidence that churches are doing that. Maybe there is a church somewhere, but otherwise nothing.

[PIK]

On 9/6/2017 at 0:00 AM, hot enough said:

There's no comparison. The German were attacked for allowing the Nazi evils. And the Nazis only had a short run. The US has had a run of well over a century of evil equal to the Nazis and the people of "government of the people, by the people, for the people" have done nothing but support this evil, with the usual caveat that there are most assuredly decent American folks. 

LOL My god you are out to lunch. You should always do your own checking and weigh the differences of the times before you comment on something.