BC Fires

[jacee]

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Just heartbreaking so many people forced to flee from their homes.

 

[WestCoastRunner]

Imagine coming home to this after being allowed home:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/seeing-red-some-b-c-wildfire-evacuees-return-to-unrecognizable-homes-1.4211733

 

[Goddess]

It's difficult to watch, coming so close after the Fort Mac fires. 

I know exactly what they're all going through.

[hot enough]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

It's difficult to watch, coming so close after the Fort Mac fires. 

I know exactly what they're all going through.

How long are you going to milk that one?

[Boges]

1 hour ago, WestCoastRunner said:

Imagine coming home to this after being allowed home:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/seeing-red-some-b-c-wildfire-evacuees-return-to-unrecognizable-homes-1.4211733

 

Better than ashes. 

[hot enough]

1 hour ago, WestCoastRunner said:

Imagine coming home to this after being allowed home:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/seeing-red-some-b-c-wildfire-evacuees-return-to-unrecognizable-homes-1.4211733

 

It's got to be water soluble for that is what it is mixed with, is it not?

[Goddess]

35 minutes ago, hot enough said:

How long are you going to milk that one?

It's called empathy.

[hot enough]

8 minutes ago, Goddess said:

It's called empathy.

That's funny, G!

[Goddess]

5 minutes ago, hot enough said:

That's funny, G!

What's going on there is not funny at all.  Neither is attacking someone who's been there and understands.

While it's a sad situation, many of my freinds who were also affected in Fort Mac are happy to make donations to the Red Cross for BC, the entire country supported us and it's nice to be able to give back to the same ones who helped us.

[hot enough]

19 minutes ago, Goddess said:

What's going on there is not funny at all.

What's funny is you pretending to be Miss Empathy. 

[Goddess]

4 minutes ago, hot enough said:

What's funny is you pretending to be Miss Empathy. 

That's MS. Empathy.

[hot enough]

14 minutes ago, Goddess said:

That's MS. Empathy.

At least you see the black humor.

[cannuck]

I do feel sorry for those who have been displaced, dispossessed or even just inconvenienced, but there is another side to this story.

Coniferous forests have been burning forever - and some species require fire to release their seeds.  We build houses out of kindling in areas that are heavily forested, and the put out the fires that would naturally make them more stable and then everyone is surprised when a really hot fire consumes their kindling structure.

Kind of like those who build homes at ground level on a flood plane, then get flooded out.  Couldn't see that one coming.

BTW: I would like to see the numbers for contribution of forest fires to the CO2 issue that the climate changers think is due to cars driving to work.   

[eyeball]

6 hours ago, cannuck said:

I do feel sorry for those who have been displaced, dispossessed or even just inconvenienced, but there is another side to this story.

Coniferous forests have been burning forever - and some species require fire to release their seeds.  We build houses out of kindling in areas that are heavily forested, and the put out the fires that would naturally make them more stable and then everyone is surprised when a really hot fire consumes their kindling structure.

Kind of like those who build homes at ground level on a flood plane, then get flooded out.  Couldn't see that one coming.

BTW: I would like to see the numbers for contribution of forest fires to the CO2 issue that the climate changers think is due to cars driving to work.   

Whatever they are they'll probably only add more fuel to the fire.

[The_Squid]

15 hours ago, cannuck said:

BTW: I would like to see the numbers for contribution of forest fires to the CO2 issue that the climate changers think is due to cars driving to work.  

Another tinfoil-hat wearing climate change denier....  

[cannuck]

No time to get a lot of detail, but it looks as if forest fires in Canada average 20-40% of our total emissions.  Ft. Mac alone was over 10% at 700,000+ tonnes, but before that Indonesia forest fire spewed out over a billion tonnes.

[jacee]

On 02/08/2017 at 3:21 AM, cannuck said:

I do feel sorry for those who have been displaced, dispossessed or even just inconvenienced, but there is another side to this story.

Coniferous forests have been burning forever - and some species require fire to release their seeds.  We build houses out of kindling in areas that are heavily forested, and the put out the fires that would naturally make them more stable and then everyone is surprised when a really hot fire consumes their kindling structure.

Kind of like those who build homes at ground level on a flood plane, then get flooded out.  Couldn't see that one coming.

BTW: I would like to see the numbers for contribution of forest fires to the CO2 issue that the climate changers think is due to cars driving to work.   

I've heard that from Indigenous people. Traditionally, they conducted controlled burns to rejuvenate mixed forests and to protect their communities.

I also think there's another factor: replanting with monoculture - 'industrial forests'. I remember when there was no replanting and environmentalists protested and demanded replanting. We got it ... but forestry companies replanted only one species that they could harvest in ~20 years.

I think that's what's burning out of control with no diversity among the trees to slow it down ... the monoculture ... industrial 'forests' that aren't real forests at all, but 'tree farms'.

 

Edited September 24, 2017 by jacee

[cannuck]

Most indigenous "controlled burns" I have experienced have been done to relieve 90% unemployment on reserves (they get hired as fire fighters).

Your point about monoculture is very appropriate.  If we ever thought about actually becoming sustainable in our lifestyle, we would stop building homes from kindling wood.  Such structures last only a century at best, if the termites, carpenter ants, rot or fire doesn't get them first.   We could easily build permanent structures for residential use (one of my good friends in Morocco lives in a 600 year old home and walks on sidewalks laid before Christ was a baby) if we took our collective head out of our arse.

[jacee]

20 hours ago, cannuck said:

Most indigenous "controlled burns" I have experienced have been done to relieve 90% unemployment on reserves (they get hired as fire fighters).

Your point about monoculture is very appropriate.  If we ever thought about actually becoming sustainable in our lifestyle, we would stop building homes from kindling wood.  Such structures last only a century at best, if the termites, carpenter ants, rot or fire doesn't get them first.   We could easily build permanent structures for residential use (one of my good friends in Morocco lives in a 600 year old home and walks on sidewalks laid before Christ was a baby) if we took our collective head out of our arse.

You should keep your ugly mouth shut more often.

And go build those better houses asshole. 

[cannuck]

2 minutes ago, jacee said:

You should keep your ugly mouth shut more often.

And go build those better houses asshole. 

Happens to be exactly what I am doing (building better buildings, not keeping my ugly mouth shut, of course).  It has taken years of research, and fortunately, the changes to the NBC (originally written around stick-built, but not quite inspiring innovation yet) make it possible.   Quite a few unpleasant surprises as we transition from thinking about stuff to trying to make the technologies work.

Edited September 26, 2017 by cannuck

[Guest]

1 hour ago, jacee said:

You should keep your ugly mouth shut more often.

And go build those better houses asshole. 

That might be the most disproportionate response I've ever seen on here.  Well done!

And yet you gave him a like for it!  I'm so confused I'm gonna have to go lie down...

Edited September 26, 2017 by bcsapper