Federal Liberals, Justin Trudeau, Brand Names & Khadr Money Payoff

[Rue]

On ‎2017‎-‎07‎-‎21 at 3:11 PM, eyeball said:

Me give it a break? Good luck with that - I'm not talking about compensation for Khadr, I'm talking about punishing Canadians for allowing their government to act so irresponsibly and do such awful things in our names.

Canada's fine for reparations to Muslim countries we've helped molest.should be in the hundreds of millions of dollars.  

List the Muslim countries we have molested. Make sure you spell them correctly, Omni and Hotty get upset over spelling mistakes.

 

[Rue]

On ‎2017‎-‎07‎-‎20 at 3:26 AM, August1991 said:

It is Justin Trudeau that appears to be bent on telling us endlessly that everyone, anyone, from anywhere in the world can come and live in Canada.

His father never said such crazy nonsense. His mother occasionally did. But never his father.

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I suspect that many older (open-minded) English Canadians will now begin to view Justin Trudeau more as his mother and less as his father. (That's what would potentially make the Justin Trudeau brand toxic.)

In federal ridings of French Canada (outside Quebec), the federal Liberals will be fine.

In Quebec? Outside Montreal - the federal Liberal MPs must now worry. And I'm curious. 

I suspect his "sunny ways" are the result of a genetically inherited problem and/or a psychological profile where he grew up feeling he is responsible for making people happy just lke he felt he had to make his mother happy. Its a classic behaviour pattern of caretaker children forced to become emotional caretakers as children when here are absentee parents or mentally disabled parents.

I say that without malice. Children of bipolar parents will see that in Trudeau and it shows in his obsession to be liked by everyone. He is compelled to try please and he sees anyone as a victim in need of sympathy until they say no-once he hears the word no-once a limit is put before him- the repressed angry self entitled narcissistic  personna comes out.

 

 

 

[Rue]

21 hours ago, scribblet said:

So in a legal case such as this, does the gov't hire additional lawyers, do they not use their own lawyers.

Of course they do or they could even use the Justice Minister to present the case. What Omni is trying to suggest is the legal fees of the other side. In so doing Omni reduces his argument to saving money not the merits of the issues in dispute. Its rather ironic coming from someone who chear leads a government incurring millions to prevent soldiers from getting benefits or incurs trillions in debt by out of control spending. Then again you read his posts or Hudson Jones' posts, they remain completely disconnected from their contradictions.  You got one saying a 10.5 million out of court settlement is not a pay off and the other pretending he is concerned about how much the case will cost but isn't concerned by the fact that by not challenging the amount of the award this sets a precedent for all future terrorists to demand financial compensation when their Charter rights are violated.

The Supreme Court would have deliberated long and hard on the clean hands and public morality doctrines and probably have allowed the legal fees of Kadr paid but reduced the personal compensation only to a nominal amount to prevent the appearance that terrorists can benefit from their illegal actions. Without this reference and decision we have a huge problem until the next government faced with terrorism pushes for such a reference.

That's the issue Omni tried to clumsily spin to avoid discussing and Hudson Jones pretends was decided by our courts already.

Edited July 24, 2017 by Rue

[eyeball]

26 minutes ago, Rue said:

List the Muslim countries we have molested.

List our alliances in the ME and surrounding region so we're on the same page when we say 'we'.

[hot enough]

5 hours ago, Rue said:

I suspect his "sunny ways" are the result of a genetically inherited problem and/or a psychological profile where he grew up feeling he is responsible for making people happy just lke he felt he ha

Dog almighty, Rue, a failed "lawyer" tries his hand at anal retentive psychiatry. 

[capricorn]

5 hours ago, Rue said:

He is compelled to try please

In Trudeau's case, his good looks ensure his ability to please just about everybody, especially milenials caught up in physical self beautification and selfies. I'm convinced his looks and the family name are the reasons he finds himself as PM. Case in point, he hasn't accomplished much in the way of governance since coming into power and in addition he's well on his way to bankrupting the country.

Edited July 24, 2017 by capricorn

[PIK]

Trudeau's brand is now ruined. His legacy will be the PM that paid off a terrorist that could have had canadian blood on his hands. This is a the biggest blunder ever done by a PM.

[PIK]

Got nuthin' eh!  Maybe ask the afghan gilrs what they thought about Invading forces that allowed them a education over the talban that used then as property and sex slaves.

Edited July 24, 2017 by PIK

[hot enough]

32 minutes ago, PIK said:

Trudeau's brand is now ruined. His legacy will be the PM that paid off a terrorist that could have had canadian blood on his hands. This is a the biggest blunder ever done by a PM.

Hardly. Canadian PMs have supplied the war criminal US with much of the atomic bomb material that they used to murder many, terrorize billions, and poison many.

[Hudson Jones]

10 hours ago, Rue said:

is it- ignorance and being disingenuous that has you contending paying Kadr 10.5 million isn't  a pay off.

 

Khadr was paid $10.5 because Trudeau had no choice.

If Trudeau had waited any longer, the civil suit would have led to a larger payout + the millions more in legal fees that the taxpayers would have had to pay. 

People need to stop whining about the inevitable and be happy that the amount paid ended up being less than what it would have cost if this dragged longer.

[capricorn]

27 minutes ago, Hudson Jones said:

People need to stop whining about the inevitable and be happy that the amount paid ended up being less than what it would have cost if this dragged longer.

I'm not happy at all about the out of court secretive deal hatched by Trudeau. I would have loved to have this matter drag on in the courts just  for everyone to hear a recounting in a court setting about how Khadr Junior gleefully built bombs and, fought against Canada and her allies (which may have cost more lives than the hapless US medic he killed with a grenade}. And loved to hear aloud about his family and their treasonous actions against our country over many years; said testimony recorded for future repeating and the object of case studies in universities.

Hell, Trudeau spends our tax money like a drunken sailor so what's a few more million? An expenditure worthwhile to see him squirm as Chretien and Martin try to defend their actions in letting the traitor sit in Gizmo. Yes indeed money well spent for a change to have the Liberals in the hot seat again as with Adscam. Maybe Chretien has a few golf balls left over from that inquiry that he can pull out of a bag to try to change the channel and divert away from him. Bunch of posers the lot of them.

[hot enough]

29 minutes ago, capricorn said:

Bunch of posers the lot of them.

Why don't you want to discuss a young man being tortured in a US gulag, in a country that they have no right being in?

Why don't you want to discuss a young man being charged with a new law that was unconstitutional?

Why don't you want to discuss a young man being tortured into confessing to a crime he likely never ever committed? I mean, come on, capricorn, even you know what gigantic liars the USA are.

You seem to hold dear the same values as the US war criminals, the US torturers, the US illegal invaders, the US terrorists, the US baby killers, the US ... . 

Why?

 

Edited July 24, 2017 by hot enough

[jacee]

28 minutes ago, capricorn said:

I'm not happy at all about the out of court secretive deal hatched by Trudeau. I would have loved to have this matter drag on in the courts just  for everyone to hear a recounting in a court setting about how Khadr Junior gleefully built bombs and, fought against Canada and her allies (which may have cost more lives than the hapless US medic he killed with a grenade}. And loved to hear aloud about his family and their treasonous actions against our country over many years; said testimony recorded for future repeating and the object of case studies in universities.

Hell, Trudeau spends our tax money like a drunken sailor so what's a few more million? An expenditure worthwhile to see him squirm as Chretien and Martin try to defend their actions in letting the traitor sit in Gizmo. Yes indeed money well spent for a change to have the Liberals in the hot seat again as with Adscam. Maybe Chretien has a few golf balls left over from that inquiry that he can pull out of a bag to try to change the channel and divert away from him. Bunch of posers the lot of them.

Oh. Another know-not who thinks Omar Khadr should be tried for the crimes of "his family" .

Do you know nothing about the laws of Canada? 

By the way, Harper would have had to testify and squirm too.

Edited July 24, 2017 by jacee

[hot enough]

21 minutes ago, capricorn said:

I'm not happy at all about the out of court secretive deal hatched by Trudeau.

Of course you aren't, capricorn. Omar is a Muslim and in your eyes, a foreigner, who you don't want in Canada. In this, you are not much different than your conservative "leaders".

Let's do get some perspective on this. 

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A Target of Scheer Vindictiveness

The Tories have learned nothing and forgotten nothing about Omar Khadr.

By Crawford Kilian Today | TheTyee.ca

 

The limits of state power

...

Democracies are very aware of the power of the state compared with that of the individual, and how easy it is for the state to deprive the individual of not just liberty but life itself. So the democratic state deliberately puts limits on its own power.

One key limit: He who asserts must prove. If Khadr committed a crime, his captors had to prove it. Instead they behaved like a lynch mob in uniform. Canadian intelligence officers took part in the lynching, interrogating Khadr and sharing what they learned with his captors.

Whether Khadr threw a grenade, or a ping-pong ball, or nothing, is something we will now never know, because his illegal trial completely tainted the evidence brought against him.

If the Paul Martin government had any decency at all, it would have demanded that Khadr be returned to Canada forthwith, there to be interrogated but treated as the severely abused child he was. Instead it sacrificed Khadr for the sake of getting along with the Americans, and Stephen Harper carried on the tradition. He even broke a long political silence when Khadr’s $10.5-million settlement was announced. He tweeted:

“The government today attempted to lay blame elsewhere for their decision to conclude a secret deal with Omar Khadr. The decision to enter into this deal is theirs, and theirs alone, and it is simply wrong. Canadians deserve better than this. Today my thoughts are with Tabitha Speer and the families of all Canadian and allied soldiers who paid the ultimate price fighting to protect us.”

Given the limits of Twitter, Harper couldn’t have mentioned that he’d paid the same $10.5 million plus apology to Maher Arar for the injustice done him by the Martin and Harper governments. And while he is no lawyer, Harper had access to plenty of fine legal minds during his time in government; he must have understood perfectly well that Khadr held the legal high ground, and would eventually win his case.

Vindictive but doomed

But, like Christy Clark fighting B.C. teachers for 15 years, Harper and Andrew Scheer and Michelle Rempel seem to think they would please their base by spending taxpayers’ money in a cause both vindictive and doomed.

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2017/07/24/Omar-Khadr-Target-Vindictiveness/

 

[Hudson Jones]

Why are there so many people in here who are against the rule of law and our charter?

[jacee]

3 minutes ago, Hudson Jones said:

Why are there so many people in here who are against the rule of law and our charter?

Harper/Conservatives never liked the Charter.

It was P Trudeau's Liberal idea. Lol

[Hal 9000]

On 7/19/2017 at 9:48 AM, eyeball said:

Its the damage to our country the reaction to Omar Khadr is causing that interests me most.  That he's a lighting rod is an understatement but what's really understated is how Canada's brand name is being tarnished by both Liberal and Conservative parties because of their inability to get along.or share any responsibility for Khadr's treatment.  How Canada describes and portrays Omar Khadr to ourselves and the world is as integral to justifying our conduct in the War on Terror and preventing charges of war crimes against Khadr's persecutors and against government officials for the things they did did in our good name.  

Canadian Conservatives appear to be bent on making Khadr's settlement a never ending issue and it will likely play a key role in the next election.  I hope the stupid bastards tear the country to pieces myself. I know I certainly have no sympathy for Trudeau or the Liberals. When JT referred to having no choice but to settle and said  'no matter how uncomfortable it makes us' he was basically pleading 'but but but the Charter' as an excuse. The craven coward is as willing to throw our Charter under the bus as any right-winger.

As much as I regret seeing Khadr being used as a political football I hope the silly bastards use of him this way forces the far deeper and so far undebatable issues such as the root causes and blowback and the entire War on Terror and our involvement into the harsh acrimonious light of a laser beam.

The whole country needs to shit or get off the pot.  There's no sunny way out of the corner Canada has painted itself into.  Why should there be?

Wow, a somewhat thought out point from eyeball.  

[jacee]

8 hours ago, PIK said:

Trudeau's brand is now ruined. His legacy will be the PM that paid off a terrorist that could have had canadian blood on his hands. This is a the biggest blunder ever done by a PM.

You think the Conservatives are going to try to drag their racist nonsense all the way through the next election?

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2017/07/tories-offer-omar-khadr-10-5-million-stay-news-next-election/

Hahahaha!

Surely to goodness even Conservative Canadians will see through that gutter dog whistle politics by then! Don't you get tired of jumping and barking every time they blow the race whistle at you?

 

Edited July 25, 2017 by jacee

[hot enough]

On 7/19/2017 at 11:06 AM, eyeball said:

The terrorists are definitely winning.

Of course they are. Have you ever seen the US held to account for any of its myriad crimes?

[scribblet]

Definition of a racist:   Anyone disagreeing with a liberal or on the winning end of an argument with a liberal.

[hot enough]

12 hours ago, Rue said:

But hey I know, the grammar is incorrect.

You don't seem to know anything, Rue, how might that differ for grammar?

[Hal 9000]

As been said before, Trudeau didn't want the details coming out in court.  When he says he had "no choice", he was right - in a way, just not in the way that you liberals believe.  he was faced with exposing Chretien, Martin and his new poster boy Khadr for what they are.  Fact is; Khadr had Trudeau over a barrel, not legally, but politically. 

[jacee]

4 hours ago, Hal 9000 said:

As been said before, Trudeau didn't want the details coming out in court.  When he says he had "no choice", he was right - in a way, just not in the way that you liberals believe.  he was faced with exposing Chretien, Martin and his new poster boy Khadr for what they are.  Fact is; Khadr had Trudeau over a barrel, not legally, but politically. 

Funny you didn't mention Harper. He'd have to testify about his part too. 

And then there's this:

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2017/07/tories-offer-omar-khadr-10-5-million-stay-news-next-election/

Hahahaha!

And this:

https://www.thespec.com/opinion-story/7468398-the-spectator-s-view-khadr-fight-should-be-fought-at-home/

It's called putting partisan party interests — hurting Justin Trudeau — ahead of national interests. That is neither appropriate or wise.

Let's give the final words to Michael Spratt, who wrote in Canadian Lawyer magazine: 'The simple fact is that the Khadr critics' ideology is irreconcilable with the law and the facts. The repetition of ill-informed and disingenuous talking points by the Conservative pundits and members of Parliament is nothing but a dishonest attempt at political gain that will only serve to undermine respect for human rights and the rule of law — and no settlement can compensate Canada for that crime.'  Well said.

Edited July 25, 2017 by jacee

[Hal 9000]

1 minute ago, jacee said:

Funny you didn't mention Harper. He'd have to testify about his part too. 

And then there's this:

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2017/07/tories-offer-omar-khadr-10-5-million-stay-news-next-election/

Hahahaha!

Because Trudeau isn't worried about exposing Harper - Duh....FFS, try using some reading comprehension.

[scribblet]

13 hours ago, Hal 9000 said:

As been said before, Trudeau didn't want the details coming out in court.  When he says he had "no choice", he was right - in a way, just not in the way that you liberals believe.  he was faced with exposing Chretien, Martin and his new poster boy Khadr for what they are.  Fact is; Khadr had Trudeau over a barrel, not legally, but politically. 

I'm waiting for some media outlet to dig out the secret stuff, FOI maybe.  I'd like to know how much of this was strictly Trudeau and if the Cabinet had any part of it.   I find it amazing that they managed to keep the deal secret for so long which tells me only a few select people where in on it...   Trudeau and Goodale maybe - who else?