betsy Posted July 9, 2017 Author Report Posted July 9, 2017 (edited) How many innocent people wrongfully convicted due to negligent investigations, and later after spending years in prison, had been released? Being in prison - among felons - is a horrific torture! Did their compensations amount to 10 million? Why should Khadr - who happily participated in terrorist activities - get 10 million? Edited July 9, 2017 by betsy Quote
hot enough Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 14 minutes ago, betsy said: Child soldier, my foot! Why would he be any different from a teen who gets tried as an adult for serious crime? Why would any of the soldiers, adults all, who took part in the illegal invasions get anything but a jail sentence, Betsy? Quote
hot enough Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 (edited) 16 minutes ago, betsy said: How many innocent people wrongfully convicted due to negligent investigations, and later after spending years in prison, had been released? Being in prison - among felons - is a horrific torture! Did their compensations amount to 10 million? Why should Khadr get 10 million? You stand as a perfect example of why we have, and need, the rule of law, Betsy. Omar spent most of his youth in a US torture chamber. How does a human being not only condone this but actually celebrate it??!! Edited July 9, 2017 by hot enough Quote
betsy Posted July 9, 2017 Author Report Posted July 9, 2017 7 minutes ago, hot enough said: Never never on a Sunday, a Sunday, 'cause that's my day of rest! How is Betsy, the christian doing on this glorious Sunday? Any day is a good day to preach hate, isn't it, Betsy? The topic is not about me, hot enough. Stop making personal attacks. Quote
hot enough Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 8 minutes ago, betsy said: The topic is not about me, hot enough. Stop making personal attacks. It isn't a personal attack to point out you are preaching hate against Omar, and by implication, all Muslims, dark skinned Iraqis, Syrians, ... . Quote
Omni Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 Ezra Levant? OMG! I'm sure he knows everything that went on in a US military prison in Cuba. And I usually don't waste my time with the emoticon crap. Quote
betsy Posted July 9, 2017 Author Report Posted July 9, 2017 Just now, hot enough said: It isn't a personal attack to point out you are preaching hate against Omar, and by implication, all Muslims, dark skinned Iraqis, Syrians, ... . The issue is about the pay-out to Khadr. I've not said anything about dark-skinned Iraqis on this topic. You're attacking me personally. Quote
betsy Posted July 9, 2017 Author Report Posted July 9, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Omni said: Ezra Levant? OMG! I'm sure he knows everything that went on in a US military prison in Cuba. And I usually don't waste my time with the emoticon crap. I agree that sometimes he gets carried away. But it's about the message, not him. Which of his statement is false? You must know, thus you got into the emoticon crap. Point it out....be specific. Edited July 9, 2017 by betsy Quote
Hal 9000 Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, Omni said: Ezra Levant? OMG! I'm sure he knows everything that went on in a US military prison in Cuba. And I usually don't waste my time with the emoticon crap. Maybe you should check other sources and find the truth then. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Guest Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, hot enough said: It isn't a personal attack to point out you are preaching hate against Omar, and by implication, all Muslims, dark skinned Iraqis, Syrians, ... . Utter nonsense though. Quote
Omni Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 Just now, betsy said: Which of his statement is false? Point it out....be specific. You posted it, you point out which is accurate. He spews out biased right wing garbage regularly so show this rant isn't one of those. There is nothing substantiated in the whole GD thing. Quote
hot enough Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 10 minutes ago, betsy said: The issue is about the pay-out to Khadr. I've not said anything about dark-skinned Iraqis on this topic. You're attacking me personally. Disingenuous too. Your position is well known, Betsy. Quote
hot enough Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 9 minutes ago, bcsapper said: Utter nonsense though. Mr Never Say Anything pops up. Quote
hot enough Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 11 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: Maybe you should check other sources and find the truth then. Good advice, Hal, why don't you follow it? Still comfortable with the western war crimes, terrorism, murders, rapes, beheadings, ... ? Quote
betsy Posted July 9, 2017 Author Report Posted July 9, 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, hot enough said: You stand as a perfect example of why we have, and need, the rule of law, Betsy. Omar spent most of his youth in a US torture chamber. How does a human being not only condone this but actually celebrate it??!! Well.....if he's an abused child - as you and a lot of people want to think - he spent most of his youth in torture FROM HIS OWN PARENTS! Why wasn't the CAS involved early on when it came to light that the Khadr kids were being raised as "soldiers?" One of his siblins even said that he was groomed to be a suicide-bomber. A lot of couples have had their children taken away from them for lesser reasons. Kids have been taken from drug addict parents - and yet the Khadr kids were left with terrorist parents, who gave them IEDs for toys. Edited July 9, 2017 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted July 9, 2017 Author Report Posted July 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, Omni said: You posted it, you point out which is accurate. He spews out biased right wing garbage regularly so show this rant isn't one of those. There is nothing substantiated in the whole GD thing. Which one? Be specific. Quote
Rue Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 (edited) 22 hours ago, Omni said: Don't blame us, we didn't write the law, we just understand it. Perhaps you don't care about your constitutional rights. Hal is dead on and your pretending you and only you understand the law is a crock. You select those legal issues that suit you and your political agenda, ignore the others and pretend they don't exist or you can't understand them.. Not one of you Kadr apologists on this thread acknowledges the principle of clean hands, discuss how this undermines basic public morals and peace, orer and good government, not one of you precisely because those legal issues don't suit your political agenda. Hal is dead on. Let's also summarize shall we, The whole lot of you try make this as if its a Harper created problem. What crap. Jean Chretiens went to Pakistan and made a complete anal sphincter gland of himself demanding fair treatment for Kadr's terrorist father. He got Kadr's father released and he took the whole family right back to Pakistan 6 months after his release to enroll in Al Quaeda terrorist school. Not one of you selective liberals mention that had Chretiens not gotten Kadr released he would have never taken his son to terrorism school. Then you two faced lot do any of you mention it was Chretiens who had the option to take Kadr back to Canada and it was in f ac Chretiens not Harper who made the decision to leave him in G-Bay? Not one of you. Not one of you has the balls to admit Chretiens not Harper made the decision to violate the Chafrter and leave him there and not pull him out and Chretiens had that choice. He had Britain and Australia as precedent as well to do just that. Instead Chretiens did not. harper inherited what Chretiens put in motion. It was a legal fait accompli by the time Harper was in office. The whole lot of you won't admit that the LIberals created this fiasco and they paid off Kadr to avoid having to admit it was them not the Conservatives who created this legal fiasco. We are paying now because if Trudeau went to court and asked for only a nominal award this all would have come out how the Liberals created this problem. They are trying to slip it away before the next election hoping no one remembers its a Liberal created fiasco. It is crucial this issue is not swept under the rug by the Liberals. Its also crucial people know that there are two legal issues one was the Charter violation issue, one was the amount to be awarded issue. The Liberals want people to believe the amount of award issue was a fait accompli once the Charter violation issue was found by the Supreme Court of Canada. It was not and the Liberals knew it was not. They made the decision to pay more than the legal fees of Kadr without any disclosure to the public. They kept secret the legal fee amount so you and I do not know how much goes into Kadr's pocket. Had the Liberals done the honest thing and only paid the legal fees incurred by Kadr, most people would have understood. The Liberals chose to also pay Kadr personally not just his legal fees and the amount they came up with did not have to be secret. Here's what makes it more odious. The leak that it was 10.5 million was not an accident. It was done to make it appear the money would be paid last Friday. The Justice Department was notified after the Utah default judgement against Kadr for wrongful death was finalized at 134 million US, that the Utah lawyers would be filing an injunction in Canadian court, to ask on the day any award was paid, thtatit be held by the courts and not given to Kadr pending request by lawyers representing the widow and injured soldier in the US who had won an award against Kadr, requesting the courts transfer that money to them. That request would have had to go all the way to the Supreme Court of Canada and have probably gone on 2-3 years just until the next election. Trudeau new that choosing to pay Kadr and not contest the amount as he should have would trigger this injunction and another legal procedure dragging out right to the next election and he sought to avoid those optics. Imagine him trying to justify the 10 million during an election campaign. So The Justice Ministry lied. They lied to the lawyers and planted a false leak that they would pay Friday, so the lawyers would not file their injunction a week earlier and trigger that procedure. It is repulsive politics at its worst. Its a Liberal government that covers up a Chretiens mistake, then has the audacity to act in an unethical and dishonest manner to prejudice the rights of the widow and maimed soldier knowing there was a pending injunction. Even if the request for some of the money or all of it was rejected it would have triggered a public reaction as to how Kadr if he was supposedly rehabilitated and had remorse would take the money and not agree to give it to the widow and maimed soldier. Go on someome tell me how is Kadr rehabilitated. He speaks canned, planned words in convenient 10 second sound bites. He's been rehearsed by a lawyer and p.r. team. This is no rehabilitated individual. This is someone who has profited from his crimes of terrorism. If he was truly remorseful he would not touch the money. In Islam you do not take money that comes directly or indirectly from your own violence. The people on this forum who try portray Kadr as a victim will not even acknowledge the doctrine of clean hands, the concept of government having to maintain strict neutrality and not prejudice civil law suits between individuals, has an ethical obligation on behalf of all Canadians to test the Charter as to when the award it gives should only be nominal. and to test this award given the clause of peace, order and good government. For Trudeau to pretend he had no choice but to pay is a lie. It is an absolute and utter lie, legally and politically. This is why I took so much time to explain the legal issues while Omni took on the role of pretending he does not understand them and the usual suspects don't discuss them and we have one clown who calls the US terrorists and thinks a temperature melting point is a type of steel. Hal was dead on. I hope all Canadians remember this disgusting and vile display of contempt for Canadians and this insipid arrogant display by the Liberals they had no choice. They had choices and they chose to abandon them and abrogate them in favour of crass political partisan needs not the best interests of our society as a whole. As for Kadr, its up to his Muslim community now to examine how he has flaunted basic Islamic laws and is trying to profit from crime. Where the hell is his Imam/Mullah telling him he must according to the Laws of Islam be charitable and give the money to the widow and her children and the soldier he maimed if he is truly remorseful. Unlike these Kadr apologists and Hot Enough who tried to play the Muslim card some of us actually understand Islamic principles of ethical behaviour. Its the same as ours and it says no one should profit direcly or indirectly from violence. Edited July 9, 2017 by Rue Quote
Guest Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, hot enough said: Mr Never Say Anything pops up. Sorry, I went for a walk. Still complete bollocks. Although not at all surprising bollocks. Quote
betsy Posted July 9, 2017 Author Report Posted July 9, 2017 (edited) I'll quote Rue's post about Chretien. Quote Jean Chretiens went to Pakistan and made a complete anal sphincter gland of himself demanding fair treatment for Kadr's terrorist father. He got Kadr's father released and he took the whole family right back to Pakistan 6 months after his release to enroll in Al Quaeda terrorist school. Boy, that's the time of Chretien! How old was Omar then? Wasn't that red flag enough that the Khadr kids were with dangerous parents? Is there a different set of rules for people like Khadr, that the CAS cannot meddle with? Edited July 9, 2017 by betsy Quote
Omni Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, betsy said: Which one? Be specific. International Law OPAC 2000 says with regard to child soldiers the age is 18. That's a start. And the OMG, he MAY have called a female guard a bitch. Yippity doo dah day. That really makes him a terrorist doesn't it. Even though they tortured him and threw him in jail illegally for 10 years. I'd have some words to say that you've probably never heard before if they did that to me. Quote
hot enough Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 10 minutes ago, betsy said: Well.....if he's an abused child - as you and a lot of people want to think - he spent most of his youth in torture FROM HIS OWN PARENTS! Why wasn't the CAS involved early on when it came to light that the Khadr kids were being raised as "soldiers?" A lot of couples have had their children taken away from them for lesser reasons. Kids have been taken from drug addict parents - and yet the Khadr kids were left with terrorist parents, and given IEDs for toys. You are describing the entire US of A. Betsy, think for Christ's sakes, the US has been at war for 93% of its years as a nation. It pumps US kids full of hate, full of loving war mongering and then it uses these kids for its evil. It illegally invades sovereign nations, murders millions, murders children, ... . This is no fantasy. It is the absolute truth. You have no clue what went on in Afghanistan, but yet you believe the master liars. 1 Quote
jacee Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 3 hours ago, capricorn said: Too bad Khadr's lawyers didn't have you on their team. You could have wrapped up that trial in no time. He never had a trial. He took a plea deal to get the hell out of Gitmo. Quote
hot enough Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 12 minutes ago, bcsapper said: Sorry, I went for a walk. And on those walks, you think. Okay, the right foot first, followed by the left, swing the ... . Quote
Guest Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 Just now, hot enough said: And on those walks, you think. Okay, the right foot first, followed by the left, swing the ... . Actually I was thinking about nonsensical generalizations. So I tripped... Quote
hot enough Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 7 minutes ago, jacee said: He never had a trial. He took a plea deal to get the hell out of Gitmo. A US torture chamber in a country the US has been terrorizing for over a hundred years and all this escapes these folks. Talk about brainwashed!!! Quote
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