betsy Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 (edited) We watched in horror as we saw a fast-version of the Towering Inferno. We sympathised, and emphatised with those trapped in the building. It's like watching a horror movie. The visuals on tv and on youtube, are quite raw and dramatic. And now, the whole world knows too, that it was those claddings that got the fire to spread so quickly, and engulfed a 24-story highrise in only a couple of hours. We also know that most highrises in UK, are enveloped with those flammable claddings. Quote 30,000 MORE buildings including 87 more tower blocks in UK alone are covered in it Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4610250/30-000-buildings-UK-wrapped-killer-cladding.html#ixzz4kFr7PfLE How will the government and building owners manage to remove those claddings? I don't know how true but I heard it will cost about 20 million dollars just to remove them from a highrise. It's also so stupid to air this kind of information to the public. One of the biggest weaknesses is revealed. It poses a grave threat to national security. The UK is now a sitting duck! Just think. Think like a terrorist. Edited June 17, 2017 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted June 17, 2017 Author Report Posted June 17, 2017 (edited) Imagine how people in the UK, those who live in highrises......just imagine how they must feel, wondering if their building uses the same cladding. And if you do know that it does uses the same cladding, can you really have a peaceful sleep? Edited June 17, 2017 by betsy Quote
Guest Posted June 18, 2017 Report Posted June 18, 2017 I'd make every person at manager level or above who works for the rental company that ran the Grenfell Towers move their families into the top floor of one of their similarly clad buildings. Quote
capricorn Posted June 18, 2017 Report Posted June 18, 2017 23 minutes ago, bcsapper said: I'd make every person at manager level or above who works for the rental company that ran the Grenfell Towers move their families into the top floor of one of their similarly clad buildings. Fully agree. Since the tower was a council owned property, U.K. authorities should also be held accountable to the hilt. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
betsy Posted June 18, 2017 Author Report Posted June 18, 2017 (edited) You know.........on one hand you can understand why the UK will cut corners to have all these housings. Let's be practical here. How can a country really sustain taking in so many people - so many of them can hardly support themselves - and, at the same time, provide for them? Being more socialist like we are, it's not like as if they don't have their own to worry about already! However, to take risks with safety such as that - that's definitely the wrong way to cut corners. Aside all the unnecessary deaths and loss, just imagine the lawsuits and settlements that will surely follow. And, they still face the same problem of having so many buildings with that cladding to deal with. And they're really vulnerable to terrorist attacks. All you need is one person living in a building to get radicalized....and you could possibly have another scenario like Greenfell. They're stuck! Edited June 18, 2017 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted June 18, 2017 Author Report Posted June 18, 2017 10 hours ago, bcsapper said: I'd make every person at manager level or above who works for the rental company that ran the Grenfell Towers move their families into the top floor of one of their similarly clad buildings. 30,000 buildings more, use that same cladding. Quote
betsy Posted June 18, 2017 Author Report Posted June 18, 2017 (edited) Do you see any way how UK can deal with this problem? They have to remove those claddings......or, lie about what caused the fire to spread so rapidly. Edited June 18, 2017 by betsy Quote
Guest Posted June 18, 2017 Report Posted June 18, 2017 5 hours ago, betsy said: 30,000 buildings more, use that same cladding. And they might be banned from use. Either way, the landlord saved six thousand pounds by using the flammable cladding. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/grenfell-tower-flammable-cladding-banned-in-uk-philip-hammond-germany-us-a7795696.html Quote
hot enough Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 14 hours ago, betsy said: .or, lie about what caused the fire to spread so rapidly They'll check in with the Americans about how to run a successful huge lie. They might try to blame the cladding on Nauru or some other tiny country they want to rape and pillage. They can also find out how to makes sure any future fire makes the tower come down. Quote
Guest Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, hot enough said: They can also find out how to makes sure any future fire makes the tower come down. They would ask you about that, wouldn't they? Quote
hot enough Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, bcsapper said: They would ask you about that, wouldn't they? Nope, they would ask the experts, the ones who are ready and willing to murder anyone. Kinda like the Mafia. Why are you such an avid supporter of such evil? Edited June 19, 2017 by hot enough Quote
Guest Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 Just now, hot enough said: Nope, they would ask the experts, the ones who are ready and willing to murder anyone. Kinda like the Mafia. I think you're being too hard on yourself. You're the expert when it comes to buildings falling down. Quote
hot enough Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 13 minutes ago, bcsapper said: You're the expert when it comes to buildings falling down. Fatuous comment. You're too much of a coward to ever find out about these things. Quote
hot enough Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 On 6/17/2017 at 4:39 AM, betsy said: We watched in horror as we saw a fast-version of the Towering Inferno Is your entire world made up of US propaganda reels and movies, Betsy? Quote
Guest Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 38 minutes ago, hot enough said: Fatuous comment. You're too much of a coward to ever find out about these things. I assure you, it's not cowardice. Quote
marcus Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 19 hours ago, betsy said: You know.........on one hand you can understand why the UK will cut corners to have all these housings. Let's be practical here. How can a country really sustain taking in so many people - so many of them can hardly support themselves - and, at the same time, provide for them? Being more socialist like we are, it's not like as if they don't have their own to worry about already! However, to take risks with safety such as that - that's definitely the wrong way to cut corners. Aside all the unnecessary deaths and loss, just imagine the lawsuits and settlements that will surely follow. And, they still face the same problem of having so many buildings with that cladding to deal with. And they're really vulnerable to terrorist attacks. All you need is one person living in a building to get radicalized....and you could possibly have another scenario like Greenfell. They're stuck! Somehow you have managed to turn this incredible tragedy into one of your 'fear the Muslims' posts. Your despicable look at Muslims and immigrants is a tragedy in itself. Not sure if you should read the following, it might make your head explode from confusion: London fire: Muslims up early for Ramadan may have saved Grenfell Tower residents' lives Muslims were among the first people on the scene as people were evacuated from Grenville Tower. Andre Barroso, 33, told The Independent: "Muslims played a big part in getting a lot of people out. "Most of the people I could see were Muslim. They have also been providing food and clothes." 1 Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
betsy Posted June 20, 2017 Author Report Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) On 6/19/2017 at 2:05 AM, marcus said: Somehow you have managed to turn this incredible tragedy into one of your 'fear the Muslims' posts. Your despicable look at Muslims and immigrants is a tragedy in itself. And somehow, you have manged to turn a practical observation from this terribe tragedy into one of your "Islamophobia" post! For looking at it from a practical angle? Your despicable attempt to deflect from reality - and to label - is the tragedy in itself. Quote Not sure if you should read the following, it might make your head explode from confusion: London fire: Muslims up early for Ramadan may have saved Grenfell Tower residents' lives Muslims were among the first people on the scene as people were evacuated from Grenville Tower. Andre Barroso, 33, told The Independent: "Muslims played a big part in getting a lot of people out. "Most of the people I could see were Muslim. They have also been providing food and clothes." Irrelevant! See? No one can say anything. You're trying to turn this thread into another labelling of Islamophobia! You should change your tunnel-vision goggles into something wider-ranged. Truth be told, it's people like you who propagate Islamophobia! I don't think I've ever made a claim that you wouldn't find any goodness among Muslims! Edited June 20, 2017 by betsy Quote
hot enough Posted June 20, 2017 Report Posted June 20, 2017 1 hour ago, betsy said: And somehow, you have manged to turn a practical observation from this terribe tragedy into one of your "Islamophobia" post! For looking at it from a practical angle? Your despicable attempt to deflect from reality - and to label - is the tragedy in itself. That's funny, Betsy, actually hilarious, you suggesting others "deflect from reality". Quote Irrelevant! See? No one can say anything. You're trying to turn this thread into another labelling of Islamophobia! You should change your tunnel-vision goggles into something wider-ranged. Truth be told, it's people like you who propagate Islamophobia! I don't think I've ever made a claim that you wouldn't find any goodness among Muslims! You can only do a "don't think I've ever made a claim that you wouldn't find any goodness among Muslims!" Telling. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted June 20, 2017 Report Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) On 2017-06-18 at 3:23 AM, betsy said: You know.........on one hand you can understand why the UK will cut corners to have all these housings. Let's be practical here. How can a country really sustain taking in so many people - so many of them can hardly support themselves - and, at the same time, provide for them? Being more socialist like we are, it's not like as if they don't have their own to worry about already! However, to take risks with safety such as that - that's definitely the wrong way to cut corners. Aside all the unnecessary deaths and loss, just imagine the lawsuits and settlements that will surely follow. And, they still face the same problem of having so many buildings with that cladding to deal with. And they're really vulnerable to terrorist attacks. All you need is one person living in a building to get radicalized....and you could possibly have another scenario like Greenfell. They're stuck! It's a disgrace on North America that we are not taking in more refugees and we continue to let Europe shoulder the burden. Shame on us. What is your solution Betsy to address these refugees fleeing from atrocious environments? Practically speaking of course. Edited June 20, 2017 by WestCoastRunner 1 Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
The_Squid Posted June 21, 2017 Report Posted June 21, 2017 1 hour ago, WestCoastRunner said: What is your solution Betsy to address these refugees fleeing from atrocious environments? Practically speaking of course. Betsy's solution is to let them die. 1 Quote
Omni Posted June 21, 2017 Report Posted June 21, 2017 18 minutes ago, The_Squid said: Betsy's solution is to let them die. And that solution is winning big time in terms of numbers. Why can't somebody put a bullet through Assads head? Quote
eyeball Posted June 21, 2017 Report Posted June 21, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Omni said: And that solution is winning big time in terms of numbers. Why can't somebody put a bullet through Assads head? The same old thing that we used to set the ME region on fire in the first place - our abject cowardice in the face of Russia. Muslims are the West's human shield against the bogyman. Edited June 21, 2017 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Omni Posted June 21, 2017 Report Posted June 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: The same old thing that set the the ME region on fire in the first place - the West's cowardice in the face of Russia. Muslims are the West's human shield against the bogyman. And how about the hodge podge we have now; trump is going to kick out all the Muslims from the US, then ship them a few billion worth of arms, and kiss Putin's arse, all at the same time. Makes a guy dizzy! Quote
marcus Posted June 21, 2017 Report Posted June 21, 2017 Portugal Is On Fire and many are dying!!!111 What if these Muslims figure out how to set trees on fire? The Portuguese are sitting ducks! Be afraid. Be very afraid! Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
DogOnPorch Posted June 21, 2017 Report Posted June 21, 2017 1 hour ago, marcus said: Portugal Is On Fire and many are dying!!!111 What if these Muslims figure out how to set trees on fire? The Portuguese are sitting ducks! Be afraid. Be very afraid! Already happened...in Israel. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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