SpankyMcFarland Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said: Could be because MANY South Vietnamese (Hmong, Anam, Cochin, etc) were forced to leave in an event known as the Boat People. We call it ethnic cleansing...the North called it victory. If some foreigner bombed your country and caused mayhem like that, would you be forgivin' and forgettin' in a hurry? The historical record says no, generally. BTW we've had boat people in our history and tribes who didn't survive at all. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
DogOnPorch Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 Just now, SpankyMcFarland said: If some foreigner bombed your country and caused mayhem like that, would you be forgivin' and forgettin' in a hurry? The historical record says no, generally. BTW we've had boat people in our history and tribes who didn't survive at all. What ARE you talking about? The Boat People were South Vietnamese who were ethnically cleansed by the North AFTER victory. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
SpankyMcFarland Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) 44 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: The problem with Viet-Nam was that the American left thought the NVA/VC were the "good guys". Were there any really good guys? Maybe some of the smaller tribes caught in the crossfire. Edited June 19, 2017 by SpankyMcFarland Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
DogOnPorch Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 Just now, SpankyMcFarland said: Were there any really good guys? Many some of the smaller tribes caught in the crossfire. You're free to support the North's genocide against the residents of the South that were of the WRONG tribe. At least a 1/4 million died as shark bait. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
SpankyMcFarland Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 Just now, DogOnPorch said: What ARE you talking about? The Boat People were South Vietnamese who were ethnically cleansed by the North AFTER victory. I know one of those guys. Expelling populations isn't something new e.g. our own Acadians. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 Just now, SpankyMcFarland said: I know one of those guys. Expelling populations isn't something new e.g. our own Acadians. Yes sir....and where did they go ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
SpankyMcFarland Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: You're free to support the North's genocide against the residents of the South that were of the WRONG tribe. At least a 1/4 million died as shark bait. This is why i can't see you as the forgiving type. If you'd been in the VietCong you'd still be steaming about those Yankees. Edited June 19, 2017 by SpankyMcFarland Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
DogOnPorch Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 Just now, SpankyMcFarland said: I know one of those guys. Expelling populations isn't something new e.g. our own Acadians. You're free to justify North Viet-Nam's post war genocide against the South however you wish. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
SpankyMcFarland Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: Yes sir....and where did they go ? Cajun land among other fine locales. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
DogOnPorch Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 1 minute ago, SpankyMcFarland said: This is why i can't see you as the forgiving type. If you'd been in the VietCong you'd still be steaming about those Yankees. The Viet-Cong were wiped-out in 1967-68 during Tet forcing NVA cadres to take-up the fight that much more. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
SpankyMcFarland Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 Just now, DogOnPorch said: You're free to justify North Viet-Nam's post war genocide against the South however you wish. I don't do that. I haven't done that. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
DogOnPorch Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 Just now, SpankyMcFarland said: I don't do that. I haven't done that. Sure you did: two wrongs to make YOU right. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
SpankyMcFarland Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: The Viet-Cong were wiped-out in 1967-68 during Tet forcing NVA cadres to take-up the fight that much more. If you were on the North Vietnamese side in any capacity, you'd still be going on about the US imperialists and forgetting your own country's wrongs. There's a symmetry to tribalism. Edited June 19, 2017 by SpankyMcFarland Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
SpankyMcFarland Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: Sure you did: two wrongs to make YOU right. There are people in every country just like you, convinced that all their nation's enemies are uniquely evil. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
DogOnPorch Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 Just now, SpankyMcFarland said: If you were on the North Vietnanmese side in any capcaity, you'd still be going on about the US imperialists and forgetting your own country's wrongs. There's a symmetry to tribalism. I know the history, you mean, while you do not. Nam-Viet...Viet-Anam...Viet-Nam...it's in the name. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 Just now, SpankyMcFarland said: There are people in every country just like you, convinced that all their nation's enemies are uniquely evil. Ohhhhh...so the whole Boat People thing wasn't an intentional act by the North but rather a voluntary evacuation? You dig well. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
SpankyMcFarland Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 Just now, DogOnPorch said: I know the history, you mean, while you do not. Nam-Viet...Viet-Anam...Viet-Nam...it's in the name. I don't think one has to hyphenate the name. Kinda beside the point. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
SpankyMcFarland Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 Just now, DogOnPorch said: Ohhhhh...so the whole Boat People thing wasn't an intentional act by the North but rather a voluntary evacuation? You dig well. Oh, dear - imagining things now. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
DogOnPorch Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said: I don't think one has to hyphenate the name. Kinda beside the point. Traditionally hyphenated despite Americanization. Nam-Viet was the first use representing the Chinese Nanyue Empire...which covered the region around 200 BC. Nam represented Annam while Viet were...the Viet. Different tribes/collections of tribes. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
SpankyMcFarland Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) Every account of a war is biased but always interesting. Here is one from a former member of the Viet Cong who did survive: http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-1562-8-facts-about-vietnam-war-i-learned-as-viet-cong.html Edited June 19, 2017 by SpankyMcFarland Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
DogOnPorch Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 12 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said: Oh, dear - imagining things now. You're imagining things about moi.... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 Just now, SpankyMcFarland said: Every account of a war is biased but always interesting. Here is one from a former member of the Viet Cong: http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-1562-8-facts-about-vietnam-war-i-learned-as-viet-cong.html A lot of folks said they were at Woodstock. Cracked is like Mad magazine...you do realize. https://d1466nnw0ex81e.cloudfront.net/n_iv/600/1091069.jpg Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Doesn't have to be universal....what do you thing "collective security" has meant all these years, especially for Canada ? Same as it means to a heron. Pay attention dude. Quote Is there a counter alliance for NATO and NORAD ? Who needs one of those when we have...like I said...go read about the herons and the eagles. Besides which the only realistic direction any invasion would or could ever come from is south of our border. Am I supposed to believe NATO or some counter alliance is going to come to my rescue? Quote No....it is a waste of time in the real world...the one that we actually live in. Nature is actually far more ruthless. Well to be sure now being ruthlessness is actually more an act of conscious will as opposed to some instinct or physical force of nature that overwhelms conscious thought and collective attempt to live and behave differently, such as civilly and according to principled morals and ethics. As for nature having a will...since when did you exit the real world and start subscribing to Gaia? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said: The problem with Viet-Nam was that the American left thought the NVA/VC were the "good guys". The problem with Vietnam is that the American Right didn't round up the American Left. Never mind what were they thinking then, how much longer is this going to be allowed to stand? Now that I'm subscribed to it I've been watching Fox News a bit, and if what they're reporting about the threat from the left is anything to gauge by, it might not be long. I wonder if they'll make me quote Ayn Rand, Rush Limbaugh or the bible when they come kick my door in? Edited June 19, 2017 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) 52 minutes ago, eyeball said: ....Besides which the only realistic direction any invasion would or could ever come from is south of our border. That's what Canada's First Nations thought too...wrong ! And unceded British Columbia is still occupied. Blame U.S. foreign policy ! Edited June 19, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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