Who is your daddy?

[DogOnPorch]

6 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Sure...he knows the American daddy is a better deal than Palestine.

 

M51 Super Sherman vs modern T-72....Sherman wins!

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, marcus said:

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The overall Jewish actual inhabitance in Palestine throughout history, amounting to 200 to 260 years, is much less than the Arabs’ amounting to about 1192 years.

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Dr. Said gives the same old same old tired anti-Israel arguments that have been used for years.   I understand there are Arabs living and working in Israel that have no problem.  I can't speak to his claims about individual properties being taken away from Arabs simply because I don't know the details.  Usually there are two sides to every issue. 

Your claim that Israel only occupied the land a total of 200 to 260 years is utter nonsense.   Israel occupied the land over 3000 years ago or over 1000 B.C.  There are chronological time charts that give the details. http://www.israel-a-history-of.com/old-testament-timeline.html#Abram to Nehemiah

 

 

Edited April 24, 2017 by blackbird

[blackbird]

17 minutes ago, marcus said:

You may be okay with unlawful acts by the mafia who happen to have bigger guns and who take away people's possessions, but I'm not.

Maybe you should get off the land then.  Natives had it long before you.

[marcus]

On 4/24/2017 at 0:13 PM, blackbird said:

There are chronological time charts that give the details. http://www.israel-a-history-of.com/old-testament-timeline.html#Abram to Nehemiah

I'm not interested in the timeline given from the old testament. A book made up of fantasies and half-truths

The Canaanites were in the land well before and for a longer period than the Israelites. Since the Greeks are the descendants of Canaanites, do you propose that the Greeks should come into the land and kick out the Jews and Muslims and take over their homes?

[DogOnPorch]

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Greeks are the descendants of Canaanites

 

There's a wee bit of speculation...

[bush_cheney2004]

On 4/24/2017 at 2:16 PM, blackbird said:

Maybe you should get off the land then.  Natives had it long before you.

 

Yes...an inconvenient truth.

[Boges]

Sounds like an excellent example of "What's Good for the Goose is Good for the Gander". 

[Rue]

On ‎2017‎-‎04‎-‎22 at 9:19 PM, blackbird said:

The BDS movement is defined on this link.  https://bdsmovement.net/what-is-bds

Basically it is an anti Israel Palestinian organization that tries to use boycotts against Israel.

No its far more complicated that and the people on this forum advocating it won't reveal they are extremist  Muslim, and they support terrorism and want Israel disbanded as a Jewish state. BDS was started by terrorists. It advocates a violenty overthrow of Israel. It is not limited to and has never been limited to boycotting settlements on the West Bank. That is an out and out lie.

Its agenda is the violent overthrow of the entire Jewish state from the get go. Its founder is a violent terrorist.

It has led on campus across the West violent anti-Semitic tirades that target anyone who is Jewish. It does not differentiate between Jews and Jewish Israelis and uses Jews who are anti Israeli as a cover for its agenda.

If you take the time to research you will see it advocates violence against anyone who does not want to disband the Jewish state of Israel but it doesn't just end with Israel, its leaders go on to talk of a world wide Muslim woar to create a Caliph one world Muslim cergy council state led by Muslims and describes Jews as less than human but also Christians and non Muslims as less than human as well.

The BDS movement is not just anti Jewish its anti any religion that is not Muslim. Please understand that. It's fueled my Muslim extremist  bigotry and hatred pure and simple couched as a boycott exercise by a terrorist who thought it was a great way to manipulate leftist students on campuses in the West. It worked for awhile until the anti-Semitic screaming and violence got so loud it could no longer hide its true agenda. It still  incites leftist students on campus to  spit and have tantrums and throw things at anyone they think is " Jewish "  on campus including demanding Jewish professors be fired. One of its tactics is to recruit Jews who they think are anti Israel and claim they work with them. In fact those anti Israeli Jews have found that these movement's true agenda is to kill Jews worldwide, period. It can manipulate self-hating Jews as it does some sheltered Westerners who have never been to the Middle East but its actually seen by Palestinians on the West Bank as unwanted. Its closed down businesses that employed Palestinians because they were run by Israelis.

Boycotting Jews is nothing new. In fact this movement recycled Hitler's boycott movement. That is where it comes from.

Just once I would like to see one of the BDS prattle who support BDS  admit they are extremist Muslim and admit their agenda. They won't. The use of couched names is par for the course.

Go on I invite you to ask Marcus or any other BDS supporter on this board what their Muslim beliefs are and tell you the truth that BDS is not just about boycotting settlements, but violently overthrowing Israel. Ask him.

There's the difference. I don't hide I am a Jew who defends the right of a Jew to have the right of nationhood no different than a Hindu, Christian, Buddhist, Muslim. Go on ask Marcus or Eye or the supporters of BDS on this forum  why they do not believe Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish state.

Not one BDS supporter on this board supports the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state and they don't have the balls to say it..

BDS has never boycotted just Israeli settlements on the West Bank. Its agenda was never limited to  hat Its agenda has always been the overthrow of the Jewish state by violence-pure and simple. Its founder is a terrorist as are the people who run it. They are a front for terrorists.

http://www.dcpmarketing.com/BDS-Movement/StandWithUs_BDS-Explained.pdf

http://www.amchainitiative.org/why-bds-antisemitic

http://www.israellycool.com/2016/06/08/bds-group-penalized-for-hosting-unrepentant-terrorist-with-video/

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/262640/bds-movements-terror-ties-ari-lieberman

http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com/dr20161107-boycottisrael-movement-tainted-by-ties-to-terrorists-researchers-find

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/264506/san-francisco-state-haven-supporters-terrorists-frontpagemagcom

http://www.thetower.org/4115-boycott-israel-movement-tainted-by-ties-to-terrorists-researchers-find/

https://medium.com/@AndyBlumenthal/bds-terrorism-bf9ba2137ff3

https://www.algemeiner.com/2016/06/06/bds-terrorism-by-other-means/

https://www.ict.org.il/Article/1575/Terrorism-BDS-Antisemitism

http://zoa.org/2016/05/10323011-former-treasury-official-hamas-group-funds-bdssjp-groups/

http://jcpa.org/unmasking-bds/

http://eoznews.blogspot.ca/2016/11/1104-links-pt2-bds-movements-close.html

https://capitalresearch.org/article/bds/

 

 

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Edited April 29, 2017 by Rue

[Rue]

On ‎2017‎-‎04‎-‎26 at 4:07 AM, marcus said:

I'm not interested in the timeline given from the old testament. A book made up of fantasies and half-truths

The Canaanites were in the land well before and for a longer period than the Israelites. Since the Greeks are the descendants of Canaanites, do you propose that the Greeks should come into the land and kick out the Jews and Muslims and take over their homes?

You are not discussing the thread. you again evidence how this forum is manipulated to urinate on Israel for existing.

[Rue]

On ‎2017‎-‎04‎-‎22 at 9:31 PM, hot enough said:

You can sign up here, blackbird, to join the Jewish Voice for Peace.

 

 

Now let me deal directly with the above pathetic recruitment  attempt.

Jewish Voice for Peace is a tactic whereby violent anti Jewish extremists use Jews as a cover to hide their violent anti semitic beliefs. The reasoning goes if a Jew supports BDS or for that matter anti-Semitism then it must be o.k. Once again this tactic is called:

"Good Jews and bad Jews" is a common argumentative dichotomy, whereby "good Jews" are those who happen to agree with a person's positive stereotypes regarding how those who happen to practice Judaism or are of Jewish ancestry should behave (and, hence, ought to be protected from criticism) and "bad Jews" are those who fulfill negative stereotypes about how those same individuals should not behave. Either straw-man "group" can be a majority or minority, but both usually fulfill the lowest expectations (by non-Jews, usually those in historically-Christian- or Muslim-dominated territories) of how a Jewish person should be perceived.

source:http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Good_Jews_and_Bad_Jew

One of the most pathetic tactics by terrorists and violent anti semites  is to try use Jews as a  cover to try make their hatred of  Jews acceptable. You won't ever see people who use the above tactic ever acknowledge that Muslims support Israel's right to exist.. Using their logic if a Jew hates a Jew and joins anti-Semitic violent haters then it can't be anti semitic. 

The tactic is as basic an anti-Semitic canard as it comes. In the Muslim world of sharia law where a Jew is defined as a khafir or dhimmi, an inferior infidel unable to own land or have the same rights to a nation or land or anything else a Muslim has, the concept believes a god Jew is one who knows their place, i.e., stateless and of inferior rights. The only way a Jew ceases being an infidel is to convert to Islam but if they insist on remaining a Jew, then they must remain in t heir place.

In the Christian world it meant the same thing only if you were a Jew, you were like in the Muslim world cursed to going to hell until you accepted Jesus as your saviour. If not that, then you could not own land and must assume your place as a descendent of cursed, lying, wicked people-in otherwords the same belief as Muslim religion had of Jews only with Muslims, the only salvation was through Muhammed.

So today when addressing the Jewish collective the tactic of stereotyping a good Jew as one who does not believe they have a collective identity and knows their place is trotted out each and every time there is a pretense to start a thread questioning the right of Jews to  be a national collective. A good Jew would never do that. Only a bad Jew would be a Zionist.

The problem is BDS does not and has never differentiated between Zionist and non Zionist Jews. In fact the Jews duped and recruited into BDS have mostly fled when the riots began and enlightened progressive leftists in BDS begin spitting and throwing things at Jews, demand Jews be fired from any professorships or positions at universities and engage in words that ridicule Judaism and all Jews and deny the holocaust which BDS has done and continues to do.

BDS was never about just boycotting Israeli settlements and its why no BDS supporter has the integrity to come on this site, admit they support Hamas and the other terrorist groups who use BDS as a front. They won't admit their Muslim extremist beliefs. They won't reveal their true names and agendas.

Therein lies the difference. I do not hide I am a Jew and support the right to any Jew to have the same rights as Muslims. Hindus, Christians, Buddhists. I don't hide my religious beliefs and I have not been taught a Jew is an infidel and the only good Jew is one who will not deman equality to a Muslim, i.e., the same right to a nation or own land.

Here see for yourself what a farse Jews For Peace is

https://www.adl.org/blog/convicted-terrorist-to-address-jewish-voice-for-peace-conference-in-chicago

I also ask this forum, when did anyone come on this site and say they were Palestinian? Who has come on this site other than Altai and say they are Muslim? When has anyone come on this site and said they agree with Hamas and Hezbollah and Al Quaeda? Hell no. The coded word for that though I contend, is BDS. You want to piss on a Jew, replace the word Jew with Israel. You want to support terrorism but make it sound like you are just a leftist boycotter, call it BDS.

Why do you think that is?

Why do you think people use this forum to recruit members for "Jewish Voice For Peace"  but you've never seen anyone come on this forum recruiting you to the Jewish world conspiracy or the illuminati or the shapeshifter dracos, or the Yankee imperialist empire, etc.

Why?

Would Hot Enough admit  he quotes Jewish Voice For Peace precisely because they advocate a terrorist violently overthrow of Israel?

When was the last time anyone read or saw a poster say they were Palestinian or Muslim and advocate the violent overthrow of Israel on this forum? You think it will ever happen?

Hell no but the Jew card, the good Jew bad Jew card, it never fails to make its way on to such threads or the use of Palestinian babies to depict all Israelis as baby killers.

This thread is a lame pretext for supporting terrorism couched by three letters BDS. It only needs 2 letters B and S.

 

 

 

 

Edited April 29, 2017 by Rue

[marcus]

There was a time, not too long ago where some people on this forum dismissed BDS as a failing movement. They clumsily laughed at it and tried to tell everyone that it's not having an impact.

Check out the fear from the same people now. How delicious is their reactions now?

The desperation continues: Jewish Voice for Peace is now a stage for 'terrorists' to push their agenda with a movement that is demanding human rights for Palestinians. Anyone who shows sympathy towards the Palestinian human rights must be a Muslim terrorist! There is no other way. You either follow the ongoing, discriminating treatment of the Palestinians or you're an anti-semite or a Muslim extremist or an agent for something! Donald Trump and Alex Jones would be proud!

By the way, check out these Jewish anti-semites!

[jbg]

On 4/30/2017 at 0:45 PM, marcus said:

There was a time, not too long ago where some people on this forum dismissed BDS as a failing movement. They clumsily laughed at it and tried to tell everyone that it's not having an impact.

Check out the fear from the same people now. How delicious is their reactions now?

The desperation continues: Jewish Voice for Peace is now a stage for 'terrorists' to push their agenda with a movement that is demanding human rights for Palestinians. Anyone who shows sympathy towards the Palestinian human rights must be a Muslim terrorist! There is no other way. You either follow the ongoing, discriminating treatment of the Palestinians or you're an anti-semite or a Muslim extremist or an agent for something! Donald Trump and Alex Jones would be proud!

By the way, check out these Jewish anti-semites!

Why should we have sympathy for tribal warfare?

[jbg]

On 4/22/2017 at 4:31 AM, marcus said:

The US is preparing a law which would penalize businesses which refuse to do business with Israel's illegal "settlements".

Link

New US bill would punish settlement boycotters

US Senator Ben Cardin is once again trying to pass legislation designed to suppress the boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) movement for Palestinian rights.

During the last Congressional session, the Maryland Democrat succeeded in sneaking language into a must-pass trade bill making it a “principal negotiating objective” of the United States “to discourage politically motivated actions to boycott, divest from or sanction Israel” while negotiating trade deals.

This discouragement of BDS extended to boycotts of products originating from settlements in what the bill euphemistically referred to as “Israeli-controlled territories.” All of Israel’s settlements in the occupied West Bank and Syria’s Golan Heights are illegal under international law.

I think a bill like this is a good thing. Why should we support efforts for the West to self-destruct?

[marcus]

On 5/14/2017 at 9:07 AM, jbg said:

I think a bill like this is a good thing. Why should we support efforts for the West to self-destruct?

Of course you think that. You should also be honest about your double standards and hypocrisy. In one breath, you (rightly) condemn limiting free speech, like the Islamophobia bill in Canada, but then because of your tribalism and zealotry, you are all for this anti-bds bill, which goes against free speech and freedom of expression.

[jbg]

On 5/21/2017 at 1:14 PM, marcus said:

Of course you think that. You should also be honest about your double standards and hypocrisy. In one breath, you (rightly) condemn limiting free speech, like the Islamophobia bill in Canada, but then because of your tribalism and zealotry, you are all for this anti-bds bill, which goes against free speech and freedom of expression.

A boycott is action and not protected speech.

[marcus]

On 5/31/2017 at 8:30 PM, jbg said:

A boycott is action and not protected speech.

Speaking is an action as well.

Regardless, as it has been determined by the U.S. Supreme Court:

Boycotts of Israel are a protected form of free speech

As the Supreme Court has recognized, boycotts are a form of speech, protected under the Constitution.