The Ill feeling between left and right on immigration

[marcus]

3 hours ago, Argus said:

We allow in more people as refugees than we do under express entry. 

Just stop already. Do a little research first before typing. 

2017 immigration targets:

173k through the economic class (these are skilled workers and business applicants)
84k through the family class (these are 75% spousal/children + 25% parents sponsorship - side note: Before howling about parents/gparents sponsorship, now, Canada only allows 10K parents sponsorship applications to be processed a year - the rest are the ones sitting in the backlog)
43k through the refugee program

Here is the source: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/notices/2016-10-31.asp

Conclusion is that MANY people, especially those who are against immigration, just don't know WHAT they are talking about.

My ill feeling is that ignorant people form an opinion on immigration, without really understanding how it really works.

 

Edited August 13, 2017 by marcus

[drummindiver]

1 hour ago, marcus said:

Just stop already. Do a little research first before typing. 

2017 immigration targets:

173k through the economic class (these are skilled workers and business applicants)
84k through the family class (these are 75% spousal/children + 25% parents sponsorship - side note: Before howling about parents/gparents sponsorship, now, Canada only allows 10K parents sponsorship applications to be processed a year - the rest are the ones sitting in the backlog)
43k through the refugee program

Here is the source: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/notices/2016-10-31.asp

Conclusion is that MANY people, especially those who are against immigration, just don't know WHAT they are talking about.

My ill feeling is that ignorant people form an opinion on immigration, without really understanding how it really works.

 

Almost 50,000 refugees and dismal employment/assimilation percentages. Next year more of the same. Hardly an ill feeling .

Fact is, ignorant people who don't know the facts don't care how it works or affects Canadians

http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada/integration-still-a-challenge-for-syrian-refugees-one-year-later-researchers-1.3328739

Edited August 13, 2017 by drummindiver

[Rue]

1 hour ago, marcus said:

Just stop already. Do a little research first before typing. 

2017 immigration targets:

173k through the economic class (these are skilled workers and business applicants)
84k through the family class (these are 75% spousal/children + 25% parents sponsorship - side note: Before howling about parents/gparents sponsorship, now, Canada only allows 10K parents sponsorship applications to be processed a year - the rest are the ones sitting in the backlog)
43k through the refugee program

Here is the source: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/notices/2016-10-31.asp

Conclusion is that MANY people, especially those who are against immigration, just don't know WHAT they are talking about.

My ill feeling is that ignorant people form an opinion on immigration, without really understanding how it really works.

 

You clearly didn't and once again reveal idiocy. Go find out what an" immigration target" is before you quote it. Its not a reliable number. Its an estimate you bozo. 

Now go back and find out who has in fact entered in Canada since January 2017.

Good gawd are you that dense?  That was a rhetorical question. Youd don't answer it. If you want respond by drooling.

 

 

Edited August 13, 2017 by Rue

[Argus]

1 hour ago, marcus said:

Just stop already. Do a little research first before typing. 

Nothing you've posted contradicts anything I've said.

1 hour ago, marcus said:

2017 immigration targets:

173k through the economic class (these are skilled workers and business applicants)

Well, about 40,000 are skilled workers and business applicants.  The rest are family members. And the numbers are divided among the various visa centres in the numbers I've already stated. That's on top of the billions we're spending on refugees.

1 hour ago, marcus said:

84k through the family class (these are 75% spousal/children + 25% parents sponsorship - side note: Before howling about parents/gparents sponsorship, now, Canada only allows 10K parents sponsorship applications to be processed a year - the rest are the ones sitting in the backlog)

Oh, only 10,000 seniors! Why, that's nothing at all! Merely 100,000 foreigners over the course of a decade entitled to health care, welfare and pensions they never paid for. In 2013 the cost of each immigrant senior we brought in was stated as $300,000. That's $3 BILLION to pay for the seniors we let in this year alone. And of course, $3 billion more next year, and the next, and the next.

1 hour ago, marcus said:

43k through the refugee program

Here is the source: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/notices/2016-10-31.asp

Which is greater than the numbers coming in under express entry, which is what I SAID.

In 2016, almost 34,000 invitations to apply for permanent residence were issued to Express Entry candidates representing an increase of 3,000 from 2015. Since the launch of Express Entry, a total of 43,202 individuals (applicants and their families) have been admitted to Canada as permanent residents.

1 hour ago, marcus said:

Conclusion is that MANY people, especially those who are against immigration, just don't know WHAT they are talking about.

My ill feeling is that ignorant people form an opinion on immigration, without really understanding how it really works.

And you're one of them.

[Rue]

If I am an illegal in the US and I hear Trump saying he will deport me, of course I am going to head to Canada. We have a Prime Minister making it clear he will not turn anyone away. The vast majority of the surge of  migrants are not refugees they are in fact blocking refugees from coming as well as legitimate immigrants. They are blocking them both out as they jump ahead in line.

In fact the current policies has first and foremost the most negative and direct impact on legitimate political refugees and legitimate legal immigrantion applicants as both are being crushed and prevented from being able to come to Canada as this surge floods our borders. Trudeau is an idiot. He never gave anything thought to the implications of an open door policy. He gave no thought or planning as to its impact on refugees or immigrants. None.

What his open door policy has done is collapse the refugee system enabling illegal migrants to be able to pose as refugees enter the refugee system, collapse it and make it impossible to enforce. The back log on refugee applicants is such that the delay in providing hearings will enable illegals to plead the charter to avoid any hearings at all. In the interim legitimate refugees who did apply now no longer have support as its gone to illegal migrants.

Iillegal migrants speak neither English or French and have no transferable skills. This means for a minimum of one generation they will go onto welfare and require social housing. Our federal government has not coordinated with  cities and provincial and municipal governments to assure social housing and medical services is in place. Let's be clear. 90% of illegal migrants are heading to Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal with 10% headed to other cities and none to rural areas. None of these migrants bring skills required to enter or augment  complement or replace the work force. 

Illegal migrants  crowd into cities in substandard housing and form ghettoes of unassimilated, unemployed people who then will manifest what happens to marginalized people who can't assimilate, they will drink, do drugs, engage in domestic violence, high rates of reproduction and soaring rates of mental illness and suicide. They will strain already drained hospitals of any resources treating not just their mental illnesses but higher rates of diabetes, heart disease and cancer all caused by their poor lifestyles. They also bring particularly from Pakistan and the Muslim world a high rate of first cousin marriages which brings a particular strain of mental illness and congenital diseases that only show up in adults as they hit their 30's or 40's causing them to become disabled and unable to fend for themselves.

The surge of illegal migrants floods schools where our education system has been watered down to a level of rampant illiteracy to accommodate the thousands of new students who sit and stare and can't  speak English and rely on a fellow student to translate for them. What we have is an increase of marginalized ghettoes, pockets of individuals with no transferable skills who can not speak English or French.

Trudeau's fantasy world ignores the native impact of illegal migrants on our medical and educational systems let alone direct sociological phenomena caused by over-crowding in cities including crime, domestic violence, gridlock, mental illness.

Immigration unless its planned and carefully organized ad screened and monitored constantly fuels social breakdown.

Trudeau's disasterous approach to  immigration will cause emotional turmoil, social upheaval, urban break down, and phenomena no different then what we see in Europe or the US.

One can only hope the blithering incompetence of Trudeau gets his ass thrown out next election.

 

Edited August 13, 2017 by Rue

[taxme]

On 8/12/2017 at 3:50 AM, blackbird said:

Trudeau has erased the border into Canada.  Illegals are walking into Quebec now at the rate  of about 300 a day.  Do the calculations: 300  x  365 days =  109,500 per year.  One report said the average illegal migrant could cost $50,000.    All one has to do is walk across the border now and get on welfare.  This is going to cost Canada a fortune.   One immigration lawyer the CBC had on said the government should allow them to stay if they are coming because of poverty.  The host said wouldn't that just open the floodgates?    He had no answer.  Of course it would.  They would then come by the thousands daily and get on welfare and our country would soon go broke.  We would have no money or government services to take care of our own people.

Also, when they find out they will be deported because they are not genuine refugees, how many will simply disappear into the cities in Canada and possibly get into crime to support themselves?   They might find simply fleeing  to the cities and going underground instead of being deported is a preferable option.  I'm not sure but some provinces might even pay them welfare even though they are here illegally.  In any case, a lot of them might seek illegal refuge in Canada rather than go back to a poverty stricken country where there is nothing for them.  We are in trouble.  People thought Trump was crazy to talk about building a wall!  Hah   Trudeau is running  up a deficit of 30 billion additionally a year and our social services such as health care, social assistance, employment insurance, old age pensions ..all could be threatened if this keeps up.

I put a Canadian immigration lawyer on par with crooked politicians and salesmen. Immigration lawyers can make lots of money these days from all of these criminal illegal migrants entering Canada. They are no friend of Canada as far as I am concerned. It will cost the Canadian taxpayer's hundreds of millions of tax dollars every year just to take care of these criminals while we Canadians anxiously(chuckle)await as to whether they get to stay here or not. What is going on now is totally unacceptable and should be nixed in the bud right now before another hundred thousand or more enter Canada illegally next year. This issue has to be priority #1. The Canadian military have just recently set up 32 tents along the New York and Quebec border to have a place to hold all of these criminal illegals. Your tax dollars at work, people.

I was hoping that the conservative party would have something to say about this but their silence is deafening. They obviously could careless by the looks of things either. The globalist zionist elite plans to destroy all the western countries on earth is still on the march and moving forward with out anyone trying to stop them, except maybe for Trump, and a couple of other western European leaders like Gertt Wilders and Maria Le Pen. That biotch German traitor Merkel is no friend of the western way of life. She is trying to destroy it. 

We indeed are in trouble. And our medical and social services and others mentioned above are pretty much on the brink of bankruptcy. It is quite obvious that our dear leader feminist politically correct PM and other pc politicians don't give a dam about bankrupting our services or Canada and putting the taxpayer's deeper into debt. Canadian politicians always appear to have and do keep showing us that they have nothing but contempt for we the people. Trump is right in building a wall. Our Islamist loving feminist PM appears to want to tear down our wall(border)and let the whole third world walk right on in. Our Canadian traditions, culture, heritage, language and religion are pretty much on the verge of being replaced and destroyed by the dozens of all the others mentioned above by people who have incompatable beliefs and values that are totally different to ours and who only want to come to Canada for all of the freebies that they cannot get back home. They are not the stupid ones here. It is the Canadian taxpayer's who are the stupid ones here for allowing this to continue on without a whimper. G. Soros is having a good laugh every day at all the western countries  and what they are doing to themselves. Commit genocide. 

[marcus]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

Nothing you've posted contradicts anything I've said.

Well, about 40,000 are skilled workers and business applicants.  The rest are family members. And the numbers are divided among the various visa centres in the numbers I've already stated. That's on top of the billions we're spending on refugees.

Oh, only 10,000 seniors! Why, that's nothing at all! Merely 100,000 foreigners over the course of a decade entitled to health care, welfare and pensions they never paid for. In 2013 the cost of each immigrant senior we brought in was stated as $300,000. That's $3 BILLION to pay for the seniors we let in this year alone. And of course, $3 billion more next year, and the next, and the next.

Which is greater than the numbers coming in under express entry, which is what I SAID.

In 2016, almost 34,000 invitations to apply for permanent residence were issued to Express Entry candidates representing an increase of 3,000 from 2015. Since the launch of Express Entry, a total of 43,202 individuals (applicants and their families) have been admitted to Canada as permanent residents.

And you're one of them.

You are purposely being obtuse. 

Maybe one day you will find some integrity and accept that you have had it wrong all this time. That your opinion is based on your feelings again. Feelings and opinions that are based on uneducated thoughts.

40k refugees vs 173k from the economic class (skilled workers and business people).

Contrary to what you keep repeating, none of the people from the economic class are picked based on their country of origin because It's a merit based system.

Just a reminder that this is where this learning session started, when you made the following incredibly false opinion: It's not racist in intent. It is racist primarily because the governing parties prefer newcomers from third world countries.

I have taught you a lesson here. But you go ahead and pretend that you are not wrong and continue to do what you do best: Spread more of your misinformation.

I'm done teaching you for today.

[taxme]

38 minutes ago, Rue said:

If I am an illegal in the US and I hear Trump saying he will deport me, of course I am going to head to Canada. We have a Prime Minister making it clear he will not turn anyone away. The vast majority of the surge of  migrants are not refugees they are in fact blocking refugees from coming as well as legitimate immigrants. They are blocking them both out as they jump ahead in line.

In fact the current policies has first and foremost the most negative and direct impact on legitimate political refugees and legitimate legal immigrantion applicants as both are being crushed and prevented from being able to come to Canada as this surge floods our borders. Trudeau is an idiot. He never gave anything thought to the implications of an open door policy. He gave no thought or planning as to its impact on refugees or immigrants. None.

What his open door policy has done is collapse the refugee system enabling illegal migrants to be able to pose as refugees enter the refugee system, collapse it and make it impossible to enforce. The back log on refugee applicants is such that the delay in providing hearings will enable illegals to plead the charter to avoid any hearings at all. In the interim legitimate refugees who did apply now no longer have support as its gone to illegal migrants.

Iillegal migrants speak neither English or French and have no transferable skills. This means for a minimum of one generation they will go onto welfare and require social housing. Our federal government has not coordinated with  cities and provincial and municipal governments to assure social housing and medical services is in place. Let's be clear. 90% of illegal migrants are heading to Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal with 10% headed to other cities and none to rural areas. None of these migrants bring skills required to enter or augment  complement or replace the work force. 

Illegal migrants  crowd into cities in substandard housing and form ghettoes of unassimilated, unemployed people who then will manifest what happens to marginalized people who can't assimilate, they will drink, do drugs, engage in domestic violence, high rates of reproduction and soaring rates of mental illness and suicide. They will strain already drained hospitals of any resources treating not just their mental illnesses but higher rates of diabetes, heart disease and cancer all caused by their poor lifestyles. They also bring particularly from Pakistan and the Muslim world a high rate of first cousin marriages which brings a particular strain of mental illness and congenital diseases that only show up in adults as they hit their 30's or 40's causing them to become disabled and unable to fend for themselves.

The surge of illegal migrants floods schools where our education system has been watered down to a level of rampant illiteracy to accommodate the thousands of new students who sit and stare and can't  speak English and rely on a fellow student to translate for them. What we have is an increase of marginalized ghettoes, pockets of individuals with no transferable skills who can not speak English or French.

Trudeau's fantasy world ignores the native impact of illegal migrants on our medical and educational systems let alone direct sociological phenomena caused by over-crowding in cities including crime, domestic violence, gridlock, mental illness.

Immigration unless its planned and carefully organized ad screened and monitored constantly fuels social breakdown.

Trudeau's disasterous approach to  immigration will cause emotional turmoil, social upheaval, urban break down, and phenomena no different then what we see in Europe or the US.

One can only hope the blithering incompetence of Trudeau gets his ass thrown out next election.

 

Unbelievable, but I have to agree with you. Trudeau is an "idiot". That "idiot" needs to be fired. He is destroying Canada as we speak. One can only hope that by the next election the fools that voted him in don't give him another five years. With the NDP  in Alberta and now IN B.C. and in Saskatchewan the NDP are suppose to be neck and neck with Brad wall and his party, more jobs will be gone because business cannot afford anymore rules and regulations, more taxes, and more bureaucracy that those two political party's can only offer we the people. If the fools keep voting for the liberals and the NDP as they are doing now, chit, Canada is doomed to become a third world country. Something to look forward too, eh?  

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, dialamah said:

 

With any luck, I will be dead before this pervasive hate and blame returns us to another dark age.  Or ignorance and denial results in Climate Change simply killing off most or all humans.

 

 

I recall when folks were convinced things were getting better because left and right had basically settled their differences.

I just hope I live long enough to see how it all turns out. I'm convinced we still haven't seen anything yet.

Edited August 13, 2017 by eyeball

[taxme]

1 hour ago, drummindiver said:

Almost 50,000 refugees and dismal employment/assimilation percentages. Next year more of the same. Hardly an ill feeling .

Fact is, ignorant people who don't know the facts don't care how it works or affects Canadians

http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada/integration-still-a-challenge-for-syrian-refugees-one-year-later-researchers-1.3328739

First of all you have to get the lazy, apathetic, naive and politically stunned Canadian people to start giving a chit. That will be what they call an "an exercise in futility".  

[taxme]

On 8/11/2017 at 8:38 PM, jacee said:

Yes you should take this to the moderation forum.

I agree with Argus.

 

Now I'm going outside to watch the pigs fly.

Better take some warm winter clothing outside with you because you will most likely be outside forever. But go for it, and keep us all informed if you get to see a pig fly. If you need a tent to try and stay warm,  I have an old one kicking around.  Have fun.   

[taxme]

On 8/12/2017 at 1:39 PM, blackbird said:

You seem to think this is a minor issue.  Well we don't know what the actual numbers will be for this year and next.  In any case we could be getting tens of thousands of illegal migrants per year.  This is going to be very expensive for Canada not only in terms of direct financial costs for living expenses, policing, immigration proceedings costs, dep for lawyers, appeals, court costs, etc., deportation costs, but will probably result in increased crime and social problems, which is extremely costly as well.  Canada has an extremely lenient refugee appeal system that can drag on for years, costing the taxpayers thousands of dollars per claim.

I wonder why the environ"mental"ists are so quiet about all this illegal stuff? After all, the more immigrants coming to Canada legal or illegal the more toll there will be on the environment. And yet these same environ"mental"ists whackos are ready to fight tooth and nail to stop some company from wanting to tear down some trees or rip up some land to build on. It would appear as thought these fools would like to see people out of work, and then stand by and watch the environment get destroyed by more immigrants. I don't get those idiots. 

[marcus]

1 hour ago, drummindiver said:

Almost 50,000 refugees and dismal employment/assimilation percentages. Next year more of the same. Hardly an ill feeling .

Fact is, ignorant people who don't know the facts don't care how it works or affects Canadians

http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada/integration-still-a-challenge-for-syrian-refugees-one-year-later-researchers-1.3328739

I agree that we should have a debate about the number of people coming into Canada through the refugee system and also a debate about how to deal with their integration. 

My position is that we can afford to do this, like we have done before with refugees coming from the Balkans, from Vietnam and those fleeing the holocaust.

I think when there are vulnerable people around the world, personally, I am okay with my government welcoming at least some of them into the country. It's my personal feeling to a situation like this, but I also take history into consideration as well. Our history shows that bringing in refugees have turned out okay. Nothing is ever perfect, but the majority of the population who have come in and have been able to integrate. 

My response to Argus was not about refugees. I was correcting him on wrong information he shared on here, where he said Canada's immigration system 'prefers newcomers from third world countries'. Which is absolutely wrong.

A lot of these debates and arguments start with misconceptions and misinformation like the one Argus shared and if they go unchallenged, then everything beyond the comment is just a waste of time. 

[Argus]

27 minutes ago, marcus said:

You are purposely being obtuse. 

Maybe one day you will find some integrity and accept that you have had it wrong all this time. That your opinion is based on your feelings again. Feelings and opinions that are based on uneducated thoughts.

40k refugees vs 173k from the economic class (skilled workers and business people).

I never said any such thing. I said there were more refugees than those who came in under the express entry program. I even posted a link to CIC saying how many they allowed in under the express entry program. Unfortunately, you haven't got the integrity to respond to it, but simply deleted it and ignored it in hopes nobody mentions how wrong you are.

Here it is again.

In 2016, almost 34,000 invitations to apply for permanent residence were issued to Express Entry candidates representing an increase of 3,000 from 2015. Since the launch of Express Entry, a total of 43,202 individuals (applicants and their families) have been admitted to Canada as permanent residents.

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Contrary to what you keep repeating, none of the people from the economic class are picked based on their country of origin because It's a merit based system.

Flat out lie, or just total and absolute ignorance of how our immigration system works. Try reading this.

Here is how the immigration quota system operates in Canada. Rather than establishing a specific number of visas that will be available for issuance in a particular category and from a particular region in a given year, as is done in the United States, Canada’s immigration officials establish annual target levels for the economic (Skilled Workers, Entrepreneurs, Investors, Self-Employed, Provincial Nominees, and dependents processed abroad of in-Canada landings of Live-in Caregivers) and non economic (Family Class, Refugees and Refugee dependents) Class of immigrants. Resources are then allocated to each mission so that annual target levels will be reached but not exceeded at a visa office. Regardless of how many new applications are submitted to a visa office in a given year, or previous years, output is effectively “frozen” in accordance with the annual target levels set by Ottawa. In fact, the personal performance evaluation of an immigration program manager at each overseas immigration processing office is directly linked to the annual target levels assigned to that mission.

What actually occurs in practical terms therefore is that immigration officials, without any legal obligation to account to Parliament, decide by themselves on the numbers of immigrant visas that will be issued by each visa office, within each category, each year. Government funding is then obtained to permit the delivery of such projections on a mission by mission basis.

http://www.immigration.ca/canada-s-annual-immigration-levels-quota-system-in-disguise/

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I have taught you a lesson here.

About your dishonesty and ignorance? I already knew.

Edited August 13, 2017 by Argus

[marcus]

1 minute ago, Argus said:

I never said any such thing.

Try reading this.

http://www.immigration.ca/canada-s-annual-immigration-levels-quota-system-in-disguise/

All this search to try to save face and pretend you're not wrong and you found an article from 2006 which has nothing to do with what the immigration system is like today and has been for a while now.

 

[taxme]

6 hours ago, drummindiver said:

He tells opposing views to leave so he will have domain over his echo chamber.

And seriously, Caucasian is a made up race? 

MH is a more open personality than JT. Uses vitriol to attack anyone who thinks immigration should be done responsibly. Well, for any opinion that doesn't match his. 

Globally, there are far more restrictions on immigration from left countries than from right. As has been said before, you'll never see a black person on the Chinese swim team. But let's put it down to right wing extremism, right MH?

Caucasian - a member of the Caucasoid race. Ever heard of "Caucasoid"? Well if you have not yet go look it up in the dictionary. There is the Negroid and the Mongoloid race that you can look up also. 

[Argus]

3 minutes ago, marcus said:

All this search to try to save face and pretend you're not wrong and you found an article from 2006 which has nothing to do with what the immigration system is like today and has been for a while now

First off you have no evidence anything has changed. Operational targets for each visa office are still set prior to the beginning of the year. I know this because I have a pdf file sent by CIC which details the numbers - numbers I have been giving out. Second, you have again ignored the link I posted to CIC, which basically proves you're not interested in honest discussion but merely in advancing your pro-immigration agenda, probably to bring your relatives over.

Edited August 13, 2017 by Argus

[marcus]

7 minutes ago, Argus said:

First off you have no evidence anything has changed. Operational targets for each visa office are still set prior to the beginning of the year. I know this because I have a pdf file sent by CIC which details the numbers - numbers I have been giving out. Second, you have again ignored the link I posted to CIC, which basically proves you're not interested in honest discussion but merely in advancing your pro-immigration agenda, probably to bring your relatives over.

No Argus.

You posted an article from a non-government blog site FROM 2006. I have posted information from the Canadian Immigration site that shows targets for 2017.

Permanent Residents coming from an overwhelming majority of the skills programs (Federal Skilled Worker, Canadian Experience Class, Skilled Trades, Provincial Nominee, Quebec Skilled Worker, majority of the provincial entrepreneur program) ARE NOT SELECTED BASED ON THEIR COUNTRY OR THEIR VISA OFFICE. It's all about the points. People are selected from a ONE POOL, based on how many points they have.

You have had it all wrong. It's time to come to terms with that.

 

Edited August 13, 2017 by marcus
teaching Argus

[Argus]

2 minutes ago, marcus said:

No Argus.

Permanent Residents coming from an overwhelming majority of the skills programs (Federal Skilled Worker, Canadian Experience Class, Skilled Trades, Provincial Nominee, Quebec Skilled Worker, majority of the provincial entrepreneur program) ARE NOT SELECTED BASED ON THEIR COUNTRY OR THEIR VISA OFFICE. It's all about the points. People are selected from a ONE POOL, based on how many points they have.

To repeat, you are completely wrong. Target numbers are set for each visa office prior to the beginning of the year. I have the document setting out visa targets for visa processing centers for 2016 in my possession sent to me by CIC at my request. You should really give up and go back to the I hate Jews topics. I think you're more comfortable there anyway.

Edited August 13, 2017 by Argus

[marcus]

1 minute ago, Argus said:

To repeat, you are completely wrong. Target numbers are set for each visa office prior to the beginning of the year. I have the document setting out visa targets for visa processing centers for 2016 in my possession sent to me by CIC at my request.

I am completely right, as I have shown by sharing SEVERAL links to the Canadian Immigration site. I have been completely clear about how permanent residency works and I have clearly backed the information with current links from the government.

Scan your documents and show it here. It's a little difficult for me to take your word for it, considering what you're displaying here.

[Argus]

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[taxme]

6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

That reminds me... We haven't seen condemnation of the white supremacist terrorism here from the usual suspects.  

Well, go ahead make your day. Show us something. Don't just talk, do the walk?  

But besides that, all I ever see on TV and on the internet is a bunch of G. Soros terrorist thugs who are the ones creating chaos and havoc in the streets. When ever those so-called "white supremacists" do have a rally they are always peaceful until the paid Soros and his communist thugs show up and start their bull chit of throwing things and attacking them. Just the other day some white nationalists were having a rally in Virginia, and all was peaceful until the left wing Soros sjw's thugs showed up and started throwing things at the so-called "white supremacists". Violence on both sides then erupted. One person was killed all because of these thugs who would not allow a peaceful demonstration to continue on. Yet the nationalists will  most likely get the blame for the death of this person from the lying and fake liberal left wing media. A white nationalist can help a little old lady cross the street and somehow the media will make it appear as though he had intentions of robbing her. Pathetic media. 

[Michael Hardner]

Yes they will likely get the blame.

[taxme]

6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Not really. I am good with honest discussion, which is why I want the lying anti-Semitic Zionist conspiracy types, and irrational race-baiters to go away.

So am I. But with me you don't want an honest discussion. You only want to attack and insult me because I don't go along with your liberal beliefs and opinions. 

Are you trying to tell me that there is no Zionist conspiracy? I can go on the internet right now and find plenty of websites exposing Zionist conspiracies. Stop talking, do some walking. 

You are an irrational,  unfair and a bias moderator who has no time for opinions of others whom you do not like or agree with. If you don't like what they say, then you wish that they were die.  Bloody awful for a moderator to say. So, just how or where am I race-baiting here? Show me, please? Do some walking rather than all talking. 

[taxme]

10 minutes ago, taxme said:

Well, go ahead make your day. Show us something. Don't just talk, do the walk?  

But besides that, all I ever see on TV and on the internet is a bunch of G. Soros terrorist thugs who are the ones creating chaos and havoc in the streets. When ever those so-called "white supremacists" do have a rally they are always peaceful until the paid Soros and his communist thugs show up and start their bull chit of throwing things and attacking them. Just the other day some white nationalists were having a rally in Virginia, and all was peaceful until the left wing Soros sjw's thugs showed up and started throwing things at the so-called "white supremacists". Violence on both sides then erupted. One person was killed all because of these thugs who would not allow a peaceful demonstration to continue on. Yet the nationalists will  most likely get the blame for the death of this person from the lying and fake liberal left wing media. A white nationalist can help a little old lady cross the street and somehow the media will make it appear as though he had intentions of robbing her. Pathetic media. 

 

18 minutes ago, marcus said:

I am completely right, as I have shown by sharing SEVERAL links to the Canadian Immigration site. I have been completely clear about how permanent residency works and I have clearly backed the information with current links from the government.

Scan your documents and show it here. It's a little difficult for me to take your word for it, considering what you're displaying here.

What Canada needs is a moratorium on all types of immigration for at least five years. We have approx two million unemployed Canadians in Canada, but some members here seem to feel that Canada needs more legal and illegal immigrants to add more to the unemployment list. Should we not be addressing and concerning about all the Canadians that are out of work, and who are trying to find work? Are those unemployed Canadians not important enough to you? Or do you have the same attitude about Canada or Canadians as most Canadians do? Who gives a chit about them. If you are all in favor and want more immigrants than it is obvious that you don't give a chit. But hey.