The Ill feeling between left and right on immigration

[DogOnPorch]

7 minutes ago, PIK said:

Whitey built this country in 150 yrs, while it seems muslim countries after 1000 yrs are still cesspools. The ME countries have barely changed over the last 1000 yrs. And if you don't like it here.........................

 

"Muslim countries" were Christian before Islam invaded with mounted armies and conquered each in turn. No, they haven't changed much since the time of Charlemagne.

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, hot enough said:

You are so un-genge. 

 

No genocides have taken place in Canada. As far as "Indian Wars", it was often the natives slaughtering Europeans.

[dialamah]

6 minutes ago, PIK said:

Not even close.

There have been several motions passed in regards to anti-Semitism over the years, including an extensive document defining what constitutes anti-Semitism.  JT (and presumably Harper when he was in power) acknowledges important Jewish dates.  

There have been two motions regarding anti-Muslim sentiment and JT also acknowledges important Islamic dates; do not know of Harper did or not.

So where are Muslims being treated specially, exactly?  

[Argus]

None of this native genocide crap has anything to do with liberal-conservative immigration beliefs. Please take it to one of the loony topics.

Edited April 25, 2017 by Argus

[DogOnPorch]

2 minutes ago, Argus said:

None of this native genocide crap has anything to do with liberal-conservative immigration beliefs. Please take it to one of the loony topics.

 

Islam plays for keeps. Canada as a "Muslim Country" is the goal.

Some folks are fine with this.

[hot enough]

7 minutes ago, Argus said:

what liberals have done, essentially is made embracing diversity a matter of moral imperative. Thus was multiculturalism born.

That is so illogically ludicrous. Look at who Canadians are, what and how many different ethnic groups there are. Your entire song and dance is based on the ravings of a few racist conservative candidates who are hoping to appeal to the small group of racist folks like you, Argus, a self admitted racist. 

[DogOnPorch]

4 minutes ago, dialamah said:

There have been several motions passed in regards to anti-Semitism over the years, including an extensive document defining what constitutes anti-Semitism.  JT (and presumably Harper when he was in power) acknowledges important Jewish dates.  

There have been two motions regarding anti-Muslim sentiment and JT also acknowledges important Islamic dates; do not know of Harper did or not.

So where are Muslims being treated specially, exactly?  

Judaism and Islam are enemies.

 

[dialamah]

1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Islam plays for keeps. Canada as a "Muslim Country" is the goal.

Some folks are fine with this.

You are as nutty as our resident 9/11 Evil American Empire poster(s).

[eyeball]

21 hours ago, PIK said:

Why do the people on the left have no problem with filling up this country with muslims?? Do you hate yourself that much,that by giving this country away,you will be able to sleep at night. This country belongs to us, as in canadians, not some muslim that is not even here yet.

Speaking for myself, I've said why a few times now, perhaps you missed it.

1. I think our species will be better off without races and nothing mixes us together better than immigration. And its not just Canada, I want to give the whole planet away, to Earthlings. I'm for Earth First.  

2. I enjoy the schadenfreude stemming from how far this gets up a typical right-wing conservatives nose.

Edited April 25, 2017 by eyeball

[dialamah]

1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said:

Judaism and Islam are enemies.

Some think so, but that didn't answer my question.

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, hot enough said:

That is so illogically ludicrous. Look at who Canadians are, what and how many different ethnic groups there are. Your entire song and dance is based on the ravings of a few racist conservative candidates who are hoping to appeal to the small group of racist folks like you, Argus, a self admitted racist. 

 

Canada was built by the French and mainly English. History is a pill, eh?

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, dialamah said:

You are as nutty as our resident 9/11 Evil American Empire poster(s).

 

Says the local Sharia police.

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, dialamah said:

Some think so, but that didn't answer my question.

 

Islam curses Jews to be as apes and pigs...let's bring in more Muslims.

[Michael Hardner]

42 minutes ago, Argus said:

1)  I have no problem with testing ALL applicants from anywhere on Earth. 

2) My personal preference under both economic and cultural suitability would be young Europeans as the government itself suggests they are the most economically successful, and I believe they are the most culturally suitable and would fit in the easiest.

3) As a conservative, I do not think immigration should be used to appeal to the liberal desire for change, novelty, and diversity. I regard it as a purely economic tool, and if it isn't helpful to the economy it should not exist. If it is helpful then it should be done with as little cultural disruption as possible. I do not understand why liberals regard that position as somehow less moral than theirs.

1) Since you're testing all people, you can probably afford to drop blunt-force criteria like religion and country since those are very general indicators.  This will allow your reviewer leeway to accept based on...

2) Economic and cultural fit.  This would include things like entrepreneurial ability and so on.

3) I think the morality part is more about refugee acceptance.  There is necessarily morality involved but no one should be ashamed of how much charity they are willing to give.  These things can be and should be personal.

[hot enough]

6 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Canada was built by the French and mainly English.

Exactly. The racist, genocidal powers that happened to be at the time. 

[Michael Hardner]

10 minutes ago, Argus said:

None of this native genocide crap has anything to do with liberal-conservative immigration beliefs. Please take it to one of the loony topics.

Agreed

[DogOnPorch]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Agreed

 

Claiming that the French and English wiped out the Native population is okay...just a matter of opinion...who needs facts?

Edited April 25, 2017 by DogOnPorch

[dialamah]

2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Islam curses Jews to be as apes and pigs...let's bring in more Muslims.

Not universally true.  But saying spreads the agenda of hatred and conflict.

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, dialamah said:

Not universally true.  But saying spreads the agenda of hatred and conflict.

The Quran says so.

Allah says so.

[Michael Hardner]

3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Claiming that the French and English wiped out the Native population is okay...just a matter of opinion...who needs facts?

I don't moderate against facts, just on-topic versus off-topic.  That is off-topic as per Argus who submitted the OP.

[eyeball]

50 minutes ago, Argus said:

As a conservative, I do not think immigration should be used to appeal to the liberal desire for change, novelty, and diversity. I regard it as a purely economic tool, and if it isn't helpful to the economy it should not exist. If it is helpful then it should be done with as little cultural disruption as possible. I do not understand why liberals regard that position as somehow less moral than theirs.

Someone tell Argus its probably the distasteful manner by which conservatives give expression to their position that poisons the relationship between the right and left on this issue. The greater value conservatives place on corporations over human beings and the fact they have no issue with an essentially border-less planet for corporations is also disturbing.  

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

I don't moderate against facts, just on-topic versus off-topic.  That is off-topic as per Argus who submitted the OP.

 

It is related to immigration: ie...claiming France and England eliminated the original population of Natives (genocide) as they colonized Canada. This isn't the USA...no Indian Wars took place in Canada. In fact, many tribes found sanctuary from the post-US Civil War push west IN Canada. If we look a bit earlier, Canada's natives sided with both the French and English against each other! Quebec 1759 ring a bell? And if we look at a place like BC, it was the other way around...natives attacking Europeans as they built roads to the gold fields.

History is important.

[dialamah]

6 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Since you're testing all people, you can probably afford to drop blunt-force criteria like religion and country since those are very general indicators.  This will allow your reviewer leeway to accept based on...

To give Argus credit, I think he's tried but it always comes back to religion, specifically Islam. 

9 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I think the morality part is more about refugee acceptance.  There is necessarily morality involved but no one should be ashamed of how much charity they are willing to give.  These things can be and should be personal.

Its an important part of my Canada that we include humanitarian outreach and help those who are suffering.  The right-wing focus on only economics and dismissing my values and beliefs about the importance of national commitment to refugees certainly does not endear me to their cause.  I can agree that immigrants should be primarily selected based on economic criteria (and 60% are); I can't agree that should be the only criteria or that refugees should not be accepted.  

[kactus]

31 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

"Muslim countries" were Christian before Islam invaded with mounted armies and conquered each in turn. 

Can you cite to support your claim that "Muslim countries were Christian before Islam invaded"!?

[DogOnPorch]

Refugees should be in proper camps as near to their homes as safely possible...they're going home, after-all.