Foreign-aid is endless here in Canada.

[taxme]

7 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Agreed. Islam has a plan...and it has worked well in the past.

Step 1: when in minority...you're the victim...always the victim.

Just wait until Islamic muslims become the majority. Then the chit will hit the fan. We see this happening in many European countries already where they are starting to become the majority, and in some cases have become the majority in many European cities, and they do not tolerate any Europeans into their cities if they will not practice or follow the ways of Islam and sharia law. Eventually this victim may become the victor one day, and the host people will become the victims. And when they do it will be game over for them. 

[Michael Hardner]

7 minutes ago, PIK said:

  Funny how we did not have a problem ...

That's so strange, I have heard about nothing but problems since I was a kid.  First it was French Canadians, then I heard about Italians, and Jews, and Blacks, and then Chinese and Indians.  I haven't ever been able to see any patterns in the folks I've met, though.  They all seem fine.

I have experienced something though, perhaps the most mind-boggling thing: those against foreign integration, foreign aid, trade are the ones outside the cities who have little experience with the subject matter at hand.

[PIK]

8 minutes ago, taxme said:

Just wait until Islamic muslims become the majority. Then the chit will hit the fan. We see this happening in many European countries already where they are starting to become the majority, and in some cases have become the majority in many European cities, and they do not tolerate any Europeans into their cities if they will not practice or follow the ways of Islam and sharia law. Eventually this victim may become the victor one day, and the host people will become the victims. And when they do it will be game over for them. 

That has been the plan for the last 900 yrs,very patience people. But it will be to late before the bleeding heart liberals figure that one out.

[Michael Hardner]

8 minutes ago, taxme said:

Just wait until Islamic muslims become the majority.

Again - what is a non-Islamic muslim ?

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--- Eventually this victim may become the victor one day, and the host people will become the victims. And when they do it will be game over for them. 

Doomsday scenario, which we have heard before.  You'll have to come up with something more.  

[PIK]

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

That's so strange, I have heard about nothing but problems since I was a kid.  First it was French Canadians, then I heard about Italians, and Jews, and Blacks, and then Chinese and Indians.  I haven't ever been able to see any patterns in the folks I've met, though.  They all seem fine.

I have experienced something though, perhaps the most mind-boggling thing: those against foreign integration, foreign aid, trade are the ones outside the cities who have little experience with the subject matter at hand.

Sorry let me be more clearer, a problem with Islam. And yes we have had our problems with the french ,but we share the country with them. And I have never had a problem with anyone till now. 

[Michael Hardner]

1 minute ago, PIK said:

 But it will be to late before the bleeding heart liberals figure that one out.

You could bolster your case by showing us a mathematical model when this minority overtakes us in terms of percentage.  I don't see how the numbers would work for that.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/11-630-x/11-630-x2016006-eng.htm

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, PIK said:

Sorry let me be more clearer, a problem with Islam. And yes we have had our problems with the french ,but we share the country with them. And I have never had a problem with anyone till now. 

Nonetheless, I have been hearing complaints and doomsday scenarios about non-English people since forever. 

 

We're totally drifting this as it's about foreign aid, but I do think it's related at the core. 

[taxme]

11 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Non-Islamic Muslims, on the other hand...

It's the same god, which is why they follow other biblical prophets.  

The overstatement about the coming of Sharia Law (from your own words) is what never stops.  We have heard this script before about French, Mohawk, Iroquois, Irish, Jews, Italians, Africans... it's pretty transparent and unprincipled: basically there are peoples you don't like and you say whatever you can to make others not like them.

I'm supposed to be more loyal than you, by your count, because you have the same culture as me but my culture includes values so you don't cut the mustard.

With the Christian god and Christianity itself it does not call for cutting off the heads of infidels or stones their women to death if they get raped by another man. Our Christian god does not tie the hands of infidels or gays and throws them off a roof top blindfolded or drowns it's people in cages. Their god must be one hell of an evil god by the looks of things. 

When I see as to what is going on in Europe I have every right to be in fear of Islamic sharia law coming to Canada. I am not trying to convince anyone of anything here. I am just trying to express my feelings about what I believe is going on or could happen in Canada. I see no problem there. I could say that you are doing the same thing here, and trying to make people believe that others here should not like what I have to say or like me for my opinions. 

My culture has values also, and it would appear as though yours and mine don't cut the mustard. I am trying to be loyal to Canada, but I see many Canadians who are not, as far as I am concerned. But that is my opinion, and I believe that in Canada I still have that right for now. I personally believe that liberal policies are going to destroy Canada, and it's values and way of life for the sake and protection of others over mine. I see the old Canada that I was brought up in starting to disappear, and is being taken over by many other cultures. But hey. 

[Michael Hardner]

Just now, taxme said:

With the Christian god and Christianity itself it does not call for ...

The Christian God is the God of the bible and ... yes there are inhuman punishments prescribed there.  

Fundamentalist Christians tend to ignore these precepts, and that's the difference.  I'm sorry to help you out with your argument but otherwise we would be mired in errors and falsehoods.

 

And - again, this is about Foreign Aid.  I helped you out, so let's move to that topic. 

[Michael Hardner]

I apologize for getting sucked in to another thread drifted (to the usual topics) ... I'm glad to meet you over on the other threads.  Thanks.

[DogOnPorch]

31 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Xenophobia has a plan too: start with the colour/race/religion you don't like, find some way to convince people they're evil then work backwards.

If it was just about making an argument then it would be enough to just state some facts, not demonize them.  

 

 

Name calling won't work.

You're free to both love and support Islam. No matter to me. I'm free to not love it and not support it...until forced to.

[Michael Hardner]

I've covered this in many threads before... but as I already said we're drifting.  Back to the main topic here.

[taxme]

29 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Again - what is a non-Islamic muslim ?

Doomsday scenario, which we have heard before.  You'll have to come up with something more.  

I guess that a non-Islamic muslim is one who does not want to partake in radical muslim/sharia law that believes in cutting off heads or of stoning women to death because they got raped or throwing gays or infidels off roof tops. But I do believe that the muslim radicals do run the muslim religious beliefs and mosques in all countries, and it is they who will dictate to the rest of the muslims as to how sharia law is to be implemented in any country that they immigrate too, and will be followed. 

Hey, you can believe all you want to believe, and so will I do also. Radical Islam is a danger to all non-muslims and should not be taken lightly. That is all I am saying. I suppose that you have never gone to check out youtube and see what is going on in some European countries that have accepted muslims into their countries, have you? Not all one watches on youtube is fabricated. There can be lot of truth to be found on the internet. It is not all just foolish conspiracies that is being shown.  No more drifting. 

Edited March 22, 2017 by taxme

[Michael Hardner]

That's right ... #stopthedrift.

[Charlie]

On 3/18/2017 at 11:33 PM, cannuck said:

Go talk to the Westerners who raped and murdered in West Africa.  I didn't, my children didn't and my grand children will not.   THAT is who is paying the bill for our "government" (and I use that term very loosely) to play games with THEIR tax dollars as we are endlessly in deficity.  Those aid dollars are mostly directed to foreign aid policies that result in purchases in Quebec.  

The best thing we can do for the world is STOP paying people to be on the tit and get their population under control (700% worldwide increase in last century - and where we give aid is EXACTLY where most of the problem is) and become productive.  The innate tribalism and corruption of Africa is supported by aid, not defeated.

 

You are right. I don't think that the West needs to help Africa because westerners raped and plundered Africans in the past.  I  

OTOH,  we need to help Africa as fellow human beings. Nothing wrong sending a few dollars to African kids dying of hunger while we are wasting thousands on useless iPhones, Flatscreen TVs and expensive cars. 

 

Only thing I would like to change is to make sure that the money gets spent properly. 

[Charlie]

On 3/23/2017 at 5:39 AM, taxme said:

 

On 3/23/2017 at 5:22 AM, taxme said:

With the Christian god and Christianity itself it does not call for cutting off the heads of infidels or stones their women to death if they get raped by another man. Our Christian god does not tie the hands of infidels or gays and throws them off a roof top blindfolded or drowns it's people in cages. Their god must be one hell of an evil god by the looks of things. 

When I see as to what is going on in Europe I have every right to be in fear of Islamic sharia law coming to Canada. I am not trying to convince anyone of anything here. I am just trying to express my feelings about what I believe is going on or could happen in Canada. I see no problem there. I could say that you are doing the same thing here, and trying to make people believe that others here should not like what I have to say or like me for my opinions. 

My culture has values also, and it would appear as though yours and mine don't cut the mustard. I am trying to be loyal to Canada, but I see many Canadians who are not, as far as I am concerned. But that is my opinion, and I believe that in Canada I still have that right for now. I personally believe that liberal policies are going to destroy Canada, and it's values and way of life for the sake and protection of others over mine. I see the old Canada that I was brought up in starting to disappear, and is being taken over by many other cultures. But hey. 

 

 

I am not sure if you know it or not, but Quran is mainly inspired from Bible and Torah. Muhammad and his tribe were followers of Abrahamic faith.  Most of the stories in Quran are borrowed from the stories of other Abrahamic religions. Abraham, Ismail, Jesus are all prophets of Islam. 

Problem is that Islam is still stuck in its dark ages. West modified its religious books, opened to the new interpretations of its teaches and separated religion from the state. Muslims are still struggling through the phase where Popes had the divine powers, gays were sinners and witch-hunting was noble. Give it a couple of hundred years. Everything would be fine. 

[taxme]

1 hour ago, Charlie said:

 

I am not sure if you know it or not, but Quran is mainly inspired from Bible and Torah. Muhammad and his tribe were followers of Abrahamic faith.  Most of the stories in Quran are borrowed from the stories of other Abrahamic religions. Abraham, Ismail, Jesus are all prophets of Islam. 

Problem is that Islam is still stuck in its dark ages. West modified its religious books, opened to the new interpretations of its teaches and separated religion from the state. Muslims are still struggling through the phase where Popes had the divine powers, gays were sinners and witch-hunting was noble. Give it a couple of hundred years. Everything would be fine. 

By that time I don't think that I am going to be around to give a dam. Is that their plan, wait until I am dead? 

[cannuck]

On 3/26/2017 at 10:52 PM, Charlie said:

 

You are right. I don't think that the West needs to help Africa because westerners raped and plundered Africans in the past.  I  

OTOH,  we need to help Africa as fellow human beings. Nothing wrong sending a few dollars to African kids dying of hunger while we are wasting thousands on useless iPhones, Flatscreen TVs and expensive cars. 

 

Only thing I would like to change is to make sure that the money gets spent properly. 

Sadly, very little of any cash you send to Africa will likely end up feeding a starving kid...more like a fat soldier or politician.

Giving aid simply creates a culture of dependence, resulting in larger families to collect more aid.  Something really beneficial is to give out sterilization to those with one or two children.  Then give them toolls and materials to become self sufficient