bush_cheney2004 Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 After watching the parade of foreign leaders contacting and visiting President-Elect Trump and now President Trump, it is apparent that Trump's job is significantly more difficult than PM Justin Trudeau's, for both scope and scale. Donald Trump has only been in office for less than a month, but he gets no break from the much larger gravity of decisions that comes from Washington compared to Ottawa, both domestically and internationally. Let's develop this idea for further discussion: 1) President Trump leads 350 million citizens (and illegals)....Prime Minister Trudeau leads about 36 million people (including emigres and refugees). 2) Trump works in a large centralized federal government....Trudeau works in a far less centralized confederation of empowered provinces. 3) Trump is president of the world's largest economy and revenue generator...Trudeau's economy is #10. 4) Trump is directly responsible for the world's largest military....Trudeau's military is ranked at about #20. 5) Trump is fluent in only one language, but Trudeau is expected to be fluent in two and abide with bi-lingual language laws for government. 6) Trump's decisions directly impact NATO and many other alliances...Trudeau far less so. 7) Trump has to manage far more significant foreign policy "files" than does Trudeau. 8) Trump's administration is responsible as a permanent UNSC member...Trudeau's is not. 9) Trump has to raise much more money and campaign longer for himself and other party members compared to Trudeau. 10) Trump faces direct election for a second term....Trudeau faces confidence votes with a ruling party that can even control when elections happen. I'm sure there are many other aspects of the job that can be compared and contrasted, so have at it. I propose that President Donald Trump has a job that is more difficult and impactful than Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's, and implicitly, they do not meet as equals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 (edited) ----SNIP---- 1. Leading is leading. Look at the approval #'s after a couple of weeks for Trump 2.Trump doesn't know what goes on outside the Beltway. We try to be inclusive of all regions. 3.How many times has Trump gone tits up? Trudeau 0 4.And your namesakes are unable to travel because of their use of that big military 5.Trudeau is more (much more) educated. 6. Re-read #4 7. Well so far he has pissed off China, Mexico, Australia. 8.huh? 9.That is true. Our elections are not bought and sold by the likes of the Koch Bros. like yours are. 10. I doubt Trump will make it anywhere near that far if his first couple of weeks are any indicator. bonne chance Edited February 13, 2017 by Charles Anthony deleted re-quoted [OpeningPost] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 Oh, I forgot to mention that PM Trudeau is not burdened with "nuclear codes", because Canada has no nuclear weapons capabilities. Unlike other allied prime ministers and presidents, Trudeau has no such responsibility. Other national leader do, including Trump. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 13 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Oh, I forgot to mention that PM Trudeau is not burdened with "nuclear codes", because Canada has no nuclear weapons capabilities. Unlike other allied prime ministers and presidents, Trudeau has no such responsibility. Other national leader do, including Trump. Frightening thought isn't it! Luckily the VP or the Joint Chiefs can shut him down if he gets all huffy one day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 It takes more work to be center of attention in the world and cost alot more too....22 trillion..wow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 19 minutes ago, Topaz said: It takes more work to be center of attention in the world and cost alot more too....22 trillion..wow! Agreed...President Trump can do all that plus babysit Justin Trudeau at the same time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) On 2/13/2017 at 3:29 AM, bush_cheney2004 said: I'm sure there are many other aspects of the job that can be compared and contrasted, so have at it. I propose that President Donald Trump has a job that is more difficult and impactful than Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's, and implicitly, they do not meet as equals. In May 1941, Britain (except for Australia, Canada etc) was alone. When the German Nazis bombed Britain and Greece in 1940 & 1941 (mopping-up operations - as perceived at the time), we Canadians died beside the British. You Americans did not. Sorry, b_c, but this has always been something that bothered me in our US-Canada relations. I like Americans in general but when push-comes-to-shove, I don't really trust you guys. Like Russians in June 1941, you seem to get involved only when it matters to you. Edited February 15, 2017 by August1991 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, August1991 said: You Americans did not. Sorry, b_c, but this has always been something that bothered me in our US-Canada relations. I like Americans but when push-comes-to-shove, I don't really trust you guys. Like Russians in June 1941, you seem to get involved when it matters to you. As it should be....let the British subjects from the great empire fight British wars....again. The Americans didn't start your world wars, but they sure as hell finished them. Canada wasn't much help in the Pacific theatre, and accordingly, the British now depend a lot more on the USA than Canada. Edited February 15, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: As it should be....let the British subjects from the great empire fight British wars....again. The Americans didn't start your world wars, but they sure as hell finished them. Canada wasn't much help in the Pacific theatre, and accordingly, the British now depend a lot more on the USA than Canada. Yeah so how come you hid under the bed for so long when it came to fighting Nazi-ism, but but you jumped in right away to break international law barging into Iraq? Maybe the military industrial complex wasn't quite up to speed by '39. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goh Shenas Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 US has pulled its weight When needed to help the allies in WWII! Is this how to be appreciated by the canadians? Atleast president Trump is responsible for the nuclear code. What has Canada ever done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 9 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Canada wasn't much help in the Pacific theatre, and accordingly, the British now depend a lot more on the USA than Canada. The uranium for the Manhattan project came from a mine near Great Bear Lake in the Northwest Territories, and was then refined in Port Hope Ontario. Plutonium production in a reactor was demonstrated at the Montreal laboratories. All the heavy water used in the Manhattan project came from Trail, British Columbia. Canada was a major contributor to the deciding factor that ended the war in the Pacific theatre. Many Canadians served in the pacific theatre, they were there long before Pearl Harbor and continued right up though the end of the war. You need to spend more time learning about Canada, you might be surprised what you find out. A good overview can be found on the Canadian veterans website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, ?Impact said: The uranium for the Manhattan project came from a mine near Great Bear Lake in the Northwest Territories, and was then refined in Port Hope Ontario. Plutonium production in a reactor was demonstrated at the Montreal laboratories. All the heavy water used in the Manhattan project came from Trail, British Columbia. Canada was a major contributor to the deciding factor that ended the war in the Pacific theatre. Then why doesn't Canada take great pride in dropping atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki ? Canada had minimal operational roles in the Pacific Theatre during WW2, including troops trying to defend the great British Empire possessions in China, one of the reasons for the war to begin with. God Save the Queen ! ...and today...just as before...the U.S. president's job and influence is far more important to the region compared to Canada's PM. Edited February 15, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted February 17, 2017 Report Share Posted February 17, 2017 On 2/14/2017 at 10:20 PM, bush_cheney2004 said: As it should be....let the British subjects from the great empire fight British wars....again. The Americans didn't start your world wars, but they sure as hell finished them. Canada wasn't much help in the Pacific theatre, and accordingly, the British now depend a lot more on the USA than Canada. "... fight British wars..." Is that how you view World War II? A British War? In Fall 1940/Spring 1941, if Churchill, the UK, Australia etc. - all alone - had not opposed Hitler, then our modern world - this 21st century - would be completely different. ===== For Americans, the war started in December 1941. For Russians, it started in June 1941. For Canadians, it started in 1939. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2017 6 hours ago, August1991 said: "... fight British wars..." Is that how you view World War II? A British War? In Fall 1940/Spring 1941, if Churchill, the UK, Australia etc. - all alone - had not opposed Hitler, then our modern world - this 21st century - would be completely different. ===== For Americans, the war started in December 1941. For Russians, it started in June 1941. For Canadians, it started in 1939. No, this is how history views WWII...along a much older continuum going back to the 19th century and it includes the Russians and French. U.S. presidents of the time resisted Europe's never ending squabbles and wars....so will Trump. President Trump has a lot more skin in the game than Justin Trudeau (blood and treasure). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 On 2/17/2017 at 6:44 AM, bush_cheney2004 said: No, this is how history views WWII...along a much older continuum going back to the 19th century and it includes the Russians and French. U.S. presidents of the time resisted Europe's never ending squabbles and wars....so will Trump. President Trump has a lot more skin in the game than Justin Trudeau (blood and treasure). No, my view is how Truth views History. ===== Winston Churchill saw the truth in the 1930s, and many ordinary French/British/Canadian/Australian men/women wisely followed him. Alone, against all odds, they still opposed Hitler in Fall 1940/Spring1941. Without their efforts, the world today would be a very different place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, August1991 said: No, my view is how Truth views History. ===== Winston Churchill saw the truth in the 1930s, and many ordinary French/British/Canadian/Australian men/women wisely followed him. Alone, against all odds, they still opposed Hitler in Fall 1940/Spring1941. Without their efforts, the world today would be a very different place. Winston Churchill was also a WWI disaster in the British Empire's spiral downward and precursor to the rise of Germany's Third Reich. The world is a different place because of that too. God Save the Queen...and all that jazz. Mad Dog Mattis was right...the Americans won't care more about Europe's children than the Europeans do. Edited February 19, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Winston Churchill was also a WWI disaster in the British Empire's spiral downward and precursor to the rise of Germany's Third Reich. The world is a different place because of that too. God Save the Queen...and all that jazz. Mad Dog Mattis was right...the Americans won't care more about Europe's children than the Europeans do. It is hard to know the Truth. In the 1930s, most educated/sophisticated people (so-called progressives at the time) believed in eugenics. They viewed Churchill as a regressive/backward has-been ranting about nonsense. Edited February 19, 2017 by August1991 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 On 2/19/2017 at 0:05 AM, bush_cheney2004 said: Winston Churchill was also a WWI disaster in the British Empire's spiral downward and precursor to the rise of Germany's Third Reich. Winston Churchill had nothing to do with the rise of Hitler. How do you even link the two? Did Galipoli lead to WW2 or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 34 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Winston Churchill had nothing to do with the rise of Hitler. How do you even link the two? Did Galipoli lead to WW2 or something? See "Versailles Treaty" and Churchill's continuing roles in/out of government post WWI. In contrast, President Trump had no role in creating the foreign policy circumstances he now faces as POTUS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 Churchill was instrumental in writing the Treaty of Versailles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 14 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Churchill was instrumental in writing the Treaty of Versailles? I just think he didn't like it much... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 11 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Churchill was instrumental in writing the Treaty of Versailles? Lots of relevant history for Churchill beyond this topic. Suffice to say that Donald Trump has never had such a role or impact on world wars compared to Churchill and the British Empire. President Trump's policies for globalization and EU/NATO is only another chapter in this long story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 1 minute ago, bcsapper said: I just think he didn't like it much... Neither did the Germans. President Trump is faced with a foreign policy trade-off game in which PM Trudeau is only a minor player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: Neither did the Germans. President Trump is faced with a foreign policy trade-off game in which PM Trudeau is only a minor player. Speak to him in English only. That's how you get rid of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Lots of relevant history for Churchill beyond this topic. Suffice to say that Donald Trump has never had such a role or impact on world wars compared to Churchill and the British Empire. President Trump's policies for globalization and EU/NATO is only another chapter in this long story. What are you even talking about at this point? I'm not even sure you know. This is gobbledygook running off the rails. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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