Western Society: Over and Out

[Hal 9000]

2 hours ago, dialamah said:

It's not just an overpopulation crisis; it's also about the way in which wealth is distributed.   It's a huge watering hole but a very few individuals have kept most of the water for themselves; the majority left with little water are contemplating just how strong the 'guards' are around that huge expanse of water.

 

Yeah, I get what you're saying, the western countries have possession of the watering holes and the muslims are moving into those western watering holes.

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, Hal 9000 said:

Yeah, I get what you're saying, the western countries have possession of the watering holes and the muslims are moving into those western watering holes.

No costly sieges or battles like in previous Islamic Invasions of Europe.

They rolled over and showed their bellies.

[dialamah]

11 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

Yeah, I get what you're saying, the western countries have possession of the watering holes and the muslims are moving into those western watering holes.

It wasn't Muslims who elected Trump in repudiation of the elites.  Nor was it Muslims who voted for Brexit, again repudiating elites.   

[bush_cheney2004]

Western "society" has not always been all hugs and kisses...far from it.    If history represents "western society" at its greatest, then nothing has changed at all.

The future will be the same as the past...change and lots of it.   

 

[Hal 9000]

1 minute ago, dialamah said:

It wasn't Muslims who elected Trump in repudiation of the elites.  Nor was it Muslims who voted for Brexit, again repudiating elites.   

Your point is?

[dialamah]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

The future will be the same as the past...change and lots of it.   

 

This seems very liberal-minded of you.

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, dialamah said:

This seems very liberal-minded of you.

 

Just an objective viewpoint based on reality.   I am not triggered by Trump, or NASA.

[dialamah]

Oops.

 

Edited January 7, 2017 by dialamah

[dialamah]

8 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

Your point is?

Topic is not about Islam or Muslims, no matter how much Islamaphobes in this forum want to make into one.  

[Hal 9000]

Just now, dialamah said:

Topic is not about Islam or Muslims, no matter how much Islamaphobes in this forum want to make into one.  

"Neither the Evil Islamic Horde (EIH) nor Climate Change spells the end of society as we know it."

^^Is this the very first sentence you used to begin thread with?

[dialamah]

Just now, Hal 9000 said:

"Neither the Evil Islamic Horde (EIH) nor Climate Change spells the end of society as we know it."

^^Is this the very first sentence you used to begin thread with?

I also mentioned climate change, but I don't see you jumping on that.  The article I linked to talked about society collapsing from internal forces, but you'd rather troll the topic with irrelevant remarks about Muslims.    

[Guest]

21 minutes ago, dialamah said:

I also mentioned climate change, but I don't see you jumping on that.  The article I linked to talked about society collapsing from internal forces, but you'd rather troll the topic with irrelevant remarks about Muslims.    

But you opened your thread with an irrelevant remark about Muslims.

I know you did it as a troll, and I can understand that, because I do it too, but still, at least take responsibility for it.

 

Edit>  Maybe I would call it a dig, not a troll.

Edited January 7, 2017 by bcsapper
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction - Blaise Pascal

[bush_cheney2004]

4 minutes ago, dialamah said:

I also mentioned climate change, but I don't see you jumping on that.  The article I linked to talked about society collapsing from internal forces, but you'd rather troll the topic with irrelevant remarks about Muslims.    

 

Collapsing compared to what ?   Do you mean the many great high points in western society's history that are sorely missed ?   That kind of collapse ?

[Hal 9000]

9 minutes ago, dialamah said:

I also mentioned climate change, but I don't see you jumping on that.  The article I linked to talked about society collapsing from internal forces, but you'd rather troll the topic with irrelevant remarks about Muslims.    

I didn't jump on climate change because...well, I agree with you on that.  But, it was you who made the Evil Islamic Horde a factor in the argument, therefore it is fair game.  

I don't know how one can discuss population and economics without recognizing the impact that middle easterners are having on the economy of the west and how the birth rates in the middle east are literally skyrocketing.  Muslims are about 2 steps out of the prehistoric ages and are multiplying at an alarming rate - of course the world economy is going to suffer. 

Edited January 7, 2017 by Hal 9000

[dialamah]

18 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

I didn't jump on climate change because...well, I agree with you on that.  But, it was you who made the Evil Islamic Horde a factor in the argument, therefore it is fair game.  

I happen to think that Climate Change also threatens the human race, so you and I do not agree on that.

Also, the article doesn't talk about population, but rather the inequity of wealth.  So other country's birthrates are not really relevant.

Also, Isreal and Saudi have nearly the same birthrate and Uganda (Christian) and Niger (Muslim) also have similar birthrates, so it seems clear to me that the religion of the people in these counties is pretty irrelevant when it comes to birthrates.

It looks to me like you took a single element of my initial post, failed to read the cite, ignored the more thoughtful and relevant reponses, and thus decided the topic would be Islam and Muslims.

 

 

 

[dialamah]

33 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

But you opened your thread with an irrelevant remark about Muslims.

I know you did it as a troll, and I can understand that, because I do it too, but still, at least take responsibility for it.

 

Edit>  Maybe I would call it a dig, not a troll.

Sarcasm, yes.  Equally about climate change, which is another much-argued topic on here.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, dialamah said:

...Also, the article doesn't talk about population, but rather the inequity of wealth.  So other country's birthrates are not really relevant.

 

But, "inequality of wealth" of has been far greater in "western society's" past, and yet it has still thrived.   This is not a valid indicator of total collapse.

[dialamah]

36 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Collapsing compared to what ?   Do you mean the many great high points in western society's history that are sorely missed ?   That kind of collapse ?

Did you read the cite?

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, dialamah said:

Did you read the cite?

 

Yes, I did.   I challenge the cite to be more objective about the entire history of western civilization, including social, political, economic, technical, and religious development.

Collapse compared to when ?

[kimmy]

41 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

I don't know how one can discuss population and economics without recognizing the impact that middle easterners are having on the economy of the west and how the birth rates in the middle east are literally skyrocketing.  Muslims are about 2 steps out of the prehistoric ages and are multiplying at an alarming rate - of course the world economy is going to suffer. 

Prolific reproduction among less advanced societies around the world is hardly a new thing.   For as long as I can remember, people have been sounding the alarm over explosive population growth in parts of Africa and Asia... long before anybody was worried about "invading Muslim hordes" and so on.  Attempting to spin rapid population growth a Muslim problem seems dishonest.

  -k

[Hal 9000]

11 minutes ago, dialamah said:

I happen to think that Climate Change also threatens the human race, so you and I do not agree on that.

Also, the article doesn't talk about population, but rather the inequity of wealth.  So other country's birthrates are not really relevant.

Also, Isreal and Saudi have nearly the same birthrate and Uganda (Christian) and Niger (Muslim) also have similar birthrates, so it seems clear to me that the religion of the people in these counties is pretty irrelevant when it comes to birthrates.

It looks to me like you took a single element of my initial post, failed to read the cite, ignored the more thoughtful and relevant reponses, and thus decided the topic would be Islam and Muslims.

 

 

 

 

"Neither the Evil Islamic Horde (EIH) nor Climate Change spells the end of society as we know it."

...also

"With rising population, depleting natural resources and stretching social divide, civilization could be facing collapse within the next few decades, according to a scientific study funded by NASA."

“Collapse can be avoided and population can reach equilibrium if the per capita rate of depletion of nature is reduced to a sustainable level, and if resources are distributed in a reasonably equitable fashion.”

It does serve as a wake-up call that if we don’t want to face disaster, we need to seriously consider how we manage resources, population growth and wealth. The end is not yet nigh … if we can help it.

I'm having a hard time knowing if you understand what you're reading.  I'm not taking this seriously at all because it's simply another "oh, hey man, if we all just give more to the needy we can save the world!" article.  

[Guest]

Just now, kimmy said:

Prolific reproduction among less advanced societies around the world is hardly a new thing.   For as long as I can remember, people have been sounding the alarm over explosive population growth in parts of Africa and Asia... long before anybody was worried about "invading Muslim hordes" and so on.  Attempting to spin rapid population growth a Muslim problem seems dishonest.

  -k

It's probably more of a Catholic problem.

I don't know what Islam says about contraception.

[dialamah]

7 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

It's probably more of a Catholic problem.

I don't know what Islam says about contraception.

Muslims are encouraged to have babies, as far as I know.   But it really is the less educated and poorer who tend to have more babies.   

[bush_cheney2004]

Western "society" has largely benefited from growing populations.   Reduction in population correlates with some very unhappy times for "western society".

[Hal 9000]

2 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Muslims are encouraged to have babies, as far as I know.   But it really is the less educated and poorer who tend to have more babies.   

Why is that?  Why are all these poverty stricken societies encouraged to have more babies when we know, thanks to Kimmey, that we have a population problem.  Then, we go further and suggest that the problem is wealth distribution - it makes no sense!