Argus Posted December 24, 2016 Report Posted December 24, 2016 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Benz said: The only logical answer to such thing is, let's erase those israeli bastards from the surface of earth. Lucky for them, you are too insignificant to be taken seriously. The americans will always protect Israel but, not at all cost. The message is very clear. They have enough of this shitty attitude. Israel has to stop. The americans were ok with Israel taking the irremediable presence advantage in Jérusalem but, not a total ethnic cleansing like they are slowly doing. From a strategic point of view ethnic cleansing would at least make sense. But that is not what they're doing. They're absorbing more territory full of Muslims, while their own Israeli Muslim population continues to grow by leaps and bounds. Meanwhile the only Jewish population in Israel which is growing fast are the Haradi, who don't work, pay taxes, serve in the military or even necessarily believe in Israel. Israel is looking on a demographic time bomb worse than any country on Earth, and not all that far in the future either. Probably within two or three decades. Edited December 24, 2016 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
DogOnPorch Posted December 24, 2016 Report Posted December 24, 2016 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Benz said: The only logical answer to such thing is, let's erase those israeli bastards from the surface of earth. Lucky for them, you are too insignificant to be taken seriously. The americans will always protect Israel but, not at all cost. The message is very clear. They have enough of this shitty attitude. Israel has to stop. The americans were ok with Israel taking the irremediable presence advantage in Jérusalem but, not a total ethnic cleansing like they are slowly doing. Winning a war does not grant you the right to eject people off the land they are living for several generations. It's not a board game, it's real life. I think the israel leaders are very stupid. If there are no more palestinians in israel and they clean up the place. It will just increase the will of Israel haters to just nuke the place. They won't even have to sacrifice any of their own. It's about time that Israel starts to learn to get along and that is also the opinion of alot of israelians. Except the extremists, as usual. Tell that to Germany...after losing a war they started. Where's Prussia? In more 'modern' times...where's South Viet-Nam? Oh yeah...invaded and ethnically cleansed by North Viet-Nam who was then rewarded by the UN for doing so. This AFTER the Six Day War...ten years after... Edited December 24, 2016 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted December 24, 2016 Report Posted December 24, 2016 17 minutes ago, Argus said: Israel would be infinitely better off if it could live in peace with its neighbors. I'm not saying that's necessarily possible given the degree of Jew hatred among its neighbors, but adding Jews to the West bank in a slow drip fashion is only making those enemies happy. It gives them a great continuing bat to beat Israel with, and helps goad their populations into glaring at Israel and not the incompetent dictators currently in charge of the Arab world. Sooner or later one of those frenzied religious maniacs is going to get hold of nukes, either from North Korea or Pakistan or wherever, and set them off in Israel. Israel really needs to do something to calm things. Say (O Muhammad SAW to the people of the Scripture): "Shall I inform you of something worse than that, regarding the recompense from Allah: those (Jews) who incurred the Curse of Allah and His Wrath, those of whom (some) He transformed into monkeys and swines, those who worshiped Taghut (false deities); such are worse in rank (on the Day of Resurrection in the Hell-fire), and far more astray from the Right Path (in the life of this world)." https://quran.com/5:60 Islam needs to calm down...not the Jews. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Omni Posted December 24, 2016 Report Posted December 24, 2016 3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Islam needs to calm down...not the Jews. Stop the settlement expansion and things will calm down. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted December 24, 2016 Report Posted December 24, 2016 Just now, Omni said: Stop the settlement expansion and things will calm down. Israel won. To the victor, the spoils. If the Arabs had won any of their wars of extermination, there would have been another Holocaust. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Omni Posted December 24, 2016 Report Posted December 24, 2016 15 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Israel won. To the victor, the spoils. If the Arabs had won any of their wars of extermination, there would have been another Holocaust. That approach will really calm things down. Quote
Benz Posted December 25, 2016 Report Posted December 25, 2016 6 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: Israel won. To the victor, the spoils. If the Arabs had won any of their wars of extermination, there would have been another Holocaust. Basically, what you are saying is, the only way to stop israel for colonizing the most occupied small piece of land in the world, is to start a war against Israel and make them lose. I am pretty this is what is acknowledge in several islamic minds. Quote
TimG Posted December 25, 2016 Report Posted December 25, 2016 23 minutes ago, Benz said: Basically, what you are saying is, the only way to stop israel for colonizing the most occupied small piece of land in the world, is to start a war against Israel and make them lose. I am pretty this is what is acknowledge in several islamic minds. Israel dismantled all of the settlements in Gaza and would do so again if it had confidence that the new Palestinian state could ensure peace. The problem in this conflict rests entirely with the Palestinians who are too divided to honour the terms of any settlement. Quote
Smallc Posted December 25, 2016 Report Posted December 25, 2016 1 minute ago, TimG said: Israel dismantled all of the settlements in Gaza and would do so again if it had confidence that the new Palestinian state could ensure peace. The problem in this conflict rests entirely with the Palestinians who are too divided to honour the terms of any settlement. Except Israel isn't honoring their end, either. Peace needs both sides, that's true, but it starts with one. Quote
TimG Posted December 25, 2016 Report Posted December 25, 2016 57 minutes ago, Smallc said: Except Israel isn't honoring their end, either. Peace needs both sides, that's true, but it starts with one. How exactly has Israel broken the agreements? Quote
marcus Posted December 25, 2016 Report Posted December 25, 2016 The credit of the UNSC resolution denouncing the continued armed robbery of Palestine goes to New Zealand, Malaysia, Venezuela and Senegal to have initiated it after the corrupt leadership of Sisi's Egypt buckled under pressure from Israel and Trump to table it-- The credit of this resolution representing the global condemnation of the Israeli settler colony goes to the 14 out of 15 member nations of UNSC who let the will of their nations be echoed at the UN--as evident in the spontaneous applause in the chamber: that beautiful music is the global cry for justice in Palestine-- No credit whatsoever goes to the only abstaining vote from the US--but Obama did just receive a middle finger from Netanyahu only weeks after he had sent 38 billion US taxpayers' money to the apartheid state to build more bombs over the next decade and steal more of Palestine-- Israel is in violation of countless UN resolutions-- the ones that US has not been able to veto --this one would be yet another indication that these colonialist thieves have no shame in front of global community --will continue to steal the rest of Palestine until soon they are outnumbered by Palestinians-- The significance of this particular resolution is the further global recognition and the boost it gives to the BDS as the single most significant non-violent act of civil disobedience against the Israeli settler colony apartheid garrison state-- It is altogether a beautiful news for the cause of peace and justice in Palestine--for all its inhabitants: Jews, Christians, Muslims, or otherwise -- Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Smallc Posted December 25, 2016 Report Posted December 25, 2016 9 hours ago, TimG said: How exactly has Israel broken the agreements? Are they supposed to be building settlements in the West Bank? Quote
Canadianjim Posted December 25, 2016 Report Posted December 25, 2016 (edited) 19 hours ago, Argus said: Because the neighboring countries are full of people who love Jews... Why would you love a nation that is committing ethnic cleansing and land theft? Personally that's against my sense of morality and ethics. Edited December 25, 2016 by Canadianjim Quote
Guest Posted December 25, 2016 Report Posted December 25, 2016 17 minutes ago, Canadianjim said: Why would you love a nation that is committing ethnic cleansing and land theft? Personally that's against my sense of morality and ethics. But you live in one that did, according to many. Even your name... Quote
Canadianjim Posted December 25, 2016 Report Posted December 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, bcsapper said: But you live in one that did, according to many. Even your name... We'll I am glad you admit it. What you forgot to mention is the world has progressed. Today there are laws against ethnic cleansing and land theft. Quote
Guest Posted December 25, 2016 Report Posted December 25, 2016 12 minutes ago, Canadianjim said: We'll I am glad you admit it. What you forgot to mention is the world has progressed. Today there are laws against ethnic cleansing and land theft. Admit what? Quote
Canadianjim Posted December 25, 2016 Report Posted December 25, 2016 10 minutes ago, bcsapper said: Admit what? Maybe I misunderstood you. You brought up instances of what you consider equivalencies to what Israeli is doing in defence for their actions.. Did you not?. Clear it up for me. Quote
Guest Posted December 25, 2016 Report Posted December 25, 2016 3 minutes ago, Canadianjim said: Maybe I misunderstood you. You brought up instances of what you consider equivalencies to what Israeli is doing in defence for their actions.. Did you not?. Clear it up for me. You did misunderstand me. I just thought it cute that a person with the name Canadianjim would bang on about ethnic cleansing and land theft. (given current thinking on the subject. I have no personal views) As for your original argument, you mixed up a race/religion with a nation, so I thought I'd best ignore that. Quote
Canadianjim Posted December 25, 2016 Report Posted December 25, 2016 1 minute ago, bcsapper said: You did misunderstand me. I just thought it cute that a person with the name Canadianjim would bang on about ethnic cleansing and land theft. (given current thinking on the subject. I have no personal views) As for your original argument, you mixed up a race/religion with a nation, so I thought I'd best ignore that. Palestinians do in fact reside in Palestine which is a nation. Quote
Guest Posted December 25, 2016 Report Posted December 25, 2016 29 minutes ago, Canadianjim said: Palestinians do in fact reside in Palestine which is a nation. Ah, I see. Well, good. Quote
Omni Posted December 25, 2016 Report Posted December 25, 2016 43 minutes ago, Canadianjim said: Palestinians do in fact reside in Palestine which is a nation. Shrinking nation. Quote
GostHacked Posted December 25, 2016 Report Posted December 25, 2016 Interesting that the US refused to veto this new resolution, considering the US always throws the veto vote for Israel. Apparently the facts allowed the US to abstain meaning, Israel is going to face some problems with the settlements. They way I see it, there are two options : 1- Israel takes over all of it and claims it as Israel proper, 2 - Israel removes all of the Jewish settlements in the occupied territories. Quote
GostHacked Posted December 25, 2016 Report Posted December 25, 2016 21 hours ago, Argus said: From a strategic point of view ethnic cleansing would at least make sense. But that is not what they're doing. They're absorbing more territory full of Muslims, while their own Israeli Muslim population continues to grow by leaps and bounds. Meanwhile the only Jewish population in Israel which is growing fast are the Haradi, who don't work, pay taxes, serve in the military or even necessarily believe in Israel. Israel is looking on a demographic time bomb worse than any country on Earth, and not all that far in the future either. Probably within two or three decades. Ohhh 'ethnic cleansing' , you are really hinting at genocide or something like that. Or is it ethnic cleansing of Muslims, and genocide of Israelis ? And as for time bomb countries, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya .... The more stable the Middle East is, the better it is for Israel. However with the intervention of nations in the M.E. is the cause of the instability because foreign powers are meddling internally with sovereign nations. The settlements are counter productive and fly in the face of the Isreali rhetoric that these resolutions are anti-semetic in nature. Mr Danon the UN Ambassador for Israel really layed on the thick rhetoric regarding that. Essentially saying if they cannot build in their 'homeland' it means that these resolutions support Palestinian terrorism against Israel. You really need to stretch the truth in order to get to that conclusion. Here are his words : Quote
Argus Posted December 25, 2016 Report Posted December 25, 2016 2 hours ago, Canadianjim said: Why would you love a nation that is committing ethnic cleansing and land theft? Personally that's against my sense of morality and ethics. Israel commits human rights abuses, but nowhere near as severe as that of ALL its neighbors. So it's a little rich for the population of those countries to criticize and bemoan Israeli human rights abuses. That particularly includes the Palestinian territories, whose local governments routinely commit extreme torture and extra-judicial executions. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Omni Posted December 25, 2016 Report Posted December 25, 2016 11 minutes ago, Argus said: Israel commits human rights abuses, but nowhere near as severe as that of ALL its neighbors. So it's a little rich for the population of those countries to criticize and bemoan Israeli human rights abuses. That particularly includes the Palestinian territories, whose local governments routinely commit extreme torture and extra-judicial executions. Did you mean the extra-judicial executions OF Palestinians? https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/15/britain-silent-extrajudicial-killing-palestinians-israel-terror Quote
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