Immigration of religious fanatics

[Omni]

8 minutes ago, Argus said:

I write with disapproval over groups I judge to be backward and behaving in an uncivilized fashion, whether they are lilly white Russians and Serbs or brown Syrians and Iraqis or black Nigerians and Haitians. It makes no difference to me. The social justice warriors can't handle that because they start crying any time anyone judges any group they think is under their noble protection. But then, nobody cares what SJWs have to say. They're non-thinking creatures of no importance.

I think you only wish you didn't care. Try to focus perhaps on a group like ISIS for instance. And move away from assuming all Muslim's are ISIS supporters.

[Argus]

1 minute ago, Omni said:

I think you only wish you didn't care. Try to focus perhaps on a group like ISIS for instance. And move away from assuming all Muslim's are ISIS supporters.

I never said all Muslims are ISIS supporters. My focus has not even been on Muslim terrorism. My focus is on bringing hundreds of thousands of people to Canada with medieval social views backed up by their religion.

[Omni]

5 minutes ago, Argus said:

I never said all Muslims are ISIS supporters. My focus has not even been on Muslim terrorism. My focus is on bringing hundreds of thousands of people to Canada with medieval social views backed up by their religion.

The evidence seems to show that the vast majority of those "medieval" people are fitting quite successfully  into the Canadian population. 

[carepov]

2 hours ago, Argus said:

Where did that number come from? According to the cite I posted earlier Canada is bringing in well over 100,000 per year, and that was in 2015. When you consider we took in 40,000 Syrians in 2016 on top of regular streams that number is certainly much higher now.

Top 10 source countries in 2015(http://canadaimmigrants.com/canada-immigration-by-source-country-2015/)

Philippines

India

China

Iran

Pakistan

Syria

USA

France

UK

Nigeria

The fanatic countries I included were bolded ad up to 32,000 in 2015.

How do you get "hundreds of thousands per year"?

[Argus]

5 minutes ago, Omni said:

The evidence seems to show that the vast majority of those "medieval" people are fitting quite successfully  into the Canadian population. 

The growing conservatism of Canadian Muslims as evidenced by the numbers wearing head scarves and burquas seems to be related to the growing number of foreign Muslims from third world countries coming to live in Canada.

[Argus]

4 minutes ago, carepov said:

Top 10 source countries in 2015(http://canadaimmigrants.com/canada-immigration-by-source-country-2015/)

Philippines

India

China

Iran

Pakistan

Syria

USA

France

UK

Nigeria

The fanatic countries I included were bolded ad up to 32,000 in 2015.

How do you get "hundreds of thousands per year"?

I already posted the actual numbers as opposed to simply the names you have here, along with this very link. Again, you seem to be looking at only Muslims and I am not. I've already said that Indians ought to be screened, as well, for example. Yes, there are only about 58,000 from "Muslim" countries on the short list here of top source countries, but in addition some of those coming from India, Nigeria and the Philippines will be Muslims, and others will be religious fanatics of other sorts (certainly from India). Plus we take thousands more from other Muslim countries like Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, Tunisia, Somalia, Libya, etc. That probably puts strictly Muslim numbers at over 100,00 this year given the number of Syrians we're taking.

I did not mean to say hundreds of thousands every year, but that we are taking in hundreds of thousands of people with medieval social views, and this is an ongoing thing, happening every year. If you bring in 100,000 Muslims a year for ten years that's a million Muslims. By way of comparison the last census showed about one million present in Canada at that time, and those numbers are already twice the number of Jews in Canada. Given the growth of the home-grown population, and their continuing attachment to extremely conservative (by Canadian standards) religious views, I see no benefit to Canada in bringing in hundreds of thousands more.

Edited December 23, 2016 by Argus

[marcus]

On 12/22/2016 at 6:41 AM, Michael Hardner said:

By way of explanation, we just had a US election on immigration whereby those who tried to moralize on the topic lost, so if you're more interested in achieving a result than of identifying yourself as moral you will forgo your ego and try talking to people one-on-one.

 

If I can do it, then so can you.

"Muslims are dangerous, because they're Muslim."

Let's discuss this topic and pretend that it's a legitimate topic of discussion.

What happened in the U.S. is a wake-up call that the majority should exercise their voting rights.

It's a small sample size, but this forum goes to show that no matter how much you discuss and dissect and point to the ignorance and bigotry that comes from some people, we're not going to help them realize that they're ignorant and bigots. They're unable to see people as individuals and instead need to feed their misplaced anger by generalizing and grouping.

We need healthy, fact based discussions and we need proper education to start from an early age. We're seeing children, at least in Canada, learning about our impact on the environment. We need to bring the same type of attention and awareness towards humanity and compassion. Eventually, the old, crusty lazy thinkers will die off.

[marcus]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

My focus is on bringing hundreds of thousands of people to Canada with medieval social views backed up by their religion.

Let's go Michael Hardner. You start. Let's validate and nurture immature and ignorant thoughts. 

Let's discuss "the hundreds of thousands of people with medieval social views backed by their religion."

 

[Michael Hardner]

I didn't make this statement - please discuss it with Argus himself.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 hour ago, marcus said:

....What happened in the U.S. is a wake-up call that the majority should exercise their voting rights.

It's a small sample size, but this forum goes to show that no matter how much you discuss and dissect and point to the ignorance and bigotry that comes from some people, we're not going to help them realize that they're ignorant and bigots. They're unable to see people as individuals and instead need to feed their misplaced anger by generalizing and grouping.

 

This is a false premise....it does not follow that voters of any persuasion and education will follow in lock step to such expectations.  One cannot make someone else "realize" another person's perspective and bias.   Americans vote how they please...without feel good considerations in Canada.

[marcus]

20 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

This is a false premise....it does not follow that voters of any persuasion and education will follow in lock step to such expectations.  

Trump voters are less educated.  

Education

Democrats now hold a 12-point lead (52% to 40%) in leaned party identification among those with at least a college degree

[Bryan]

Just now, marcus said:

Trump voters are less educated.  

Education

Democrats now hold a 12-point lead (52% to 40%) in leaned party identification among those with at least a college degree

Yes, Colleges are indoctrination camps for liberal ideologies. 

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, marcus said:

Trump voters are less educated.  

Education

Democrats now hold a 12-point lead (52% to 40%) in leaned party identification among those with at least a college degree

 

Irrelevant....many "educated" voters picked Trump for personal reasons that one cannot educate away.   This is a recurring mistake that elites and worshipers of elites keep making....and it is why they lost the election.

[marcus]

Just now, Bryan said:

Yes, Colleges are indoctrination camps for liberal ideologies. 

Right on. Good excuse to not get an education.

"I ain't getting education because it's full of liberals!" 

[bush_cheney2004]

A majority of polled Democrats also want to stop illegal immigration and deport those who are in the country illegally. 

Stopping immigrants who are also religious fanatics is a no brainer.

This was a winning issue for Trump regardless of "education".

Edited December 23, 2016 by bush_cheney2004

[Bryan]

6 minutes ago, marcus said:

Right on. Good excuse to not get an education.

"I ain't getting education because it's full of liberals!" 

Not at all. An education is important. You just need to understand that when you read that more college graduates have liberal leaning ideologies, the education itself is not the reason for that.

 

[marcus]

11 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Irrelevant....many "educated" voters picked Trump for personal reasons that one cannot educate away.   This is a recurring mistake that elites and worshipers of elites keep making....and it is why they lost the election.

Trump won because of two main reasons:

1) The system is broken 1: Where only the established have the power to run.  Like Hillary and Trump. 
2) The system is broken 2:  Close to 3 million more people voted for Hillary, but Trump is president.

Perhaps, after the 4 years of damage that Trump and his uneducated voters will inflict onto America and the rest of the world, some of the 90 million eligible voters that didn't vote will wake up and actually vote.

Perhaps this will shock the system and a person like Bernie will have a chance to win against the establishment.

Edited December 24, 2016 by marcus

[marcus]

2 minutes ago, Bryan said:

Not at all. An education is important. You just need to understand that when you read that more college graduates have liberal leaning ideologies, the education itself is not the reason for that.

 

So not having an education tend to lean you towards anti-liberal ideologies?

 

[Bryan]

Just now, marcus said:

So not having an education tend to lean you towards anti-liberal ideologies?

 

Not being indoctrinated tends even out what you might or might not lean towards.

[bush_cheney2004]

8 minutes ago, marcus said:

...Perhaps, after the 4 years of damage that Trump and his uneducated voters will inflict onto America and the rest of the world, some of the 90 million eligible voters that didn't vote will wake up and actually vote.

Perhaps this will shock the system and a person like Bernie will have a chance to win against the establishment.

 

No...still not getting it.   Many people vote their "feelings" more than their "education", including the highly educated.   Please recall that George W. Bush was re-elected in 2004 despite his Iraq War decision and other policies.

Wishing for a change in the voting behaviours of Americans from Canada will not have any impact at all.  

PM Louis Stephen St. Laurent's grandson, now a U.S. citizen, voted for Trump !

Getting back on topic, I believe that many educated Canadian voters will not be pushed much further on the massive flow of refugees and immigrants from violently religious fanatic nations.

Edited December 23, 2016 by bush_cheney2004

[GostHacked]

3 hours ago, Argus said:

The growing conservatism of Canadian Muslims as evidenced by the numbers wearing head scarves and burquas seems to be related to the growing number of foreign Muslims from third world countries coming to live in Canada.

 

3 hours ago, Argus said:

I already posted the actual numbers as opposed to simply the names you have here, along with this very link. Again, you seem to be looking at only Muslims and I am not. I've already said that Indians ought to be screened, as well, for example. Yes, there are only about 58,000 from "Muslim" countries on the short list here of top source countries, but in addition some of those coming from India, Nigeria and the Philippines will be Muslims, and others will be religious fanatics of other sorts (certainly from India). Plus we take thousands more from other Muslim countries like Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, Tunisia, Somalia, Libya, etc. That probably puts strictly Muslim numbers at over 100,00 this year given the number of Syrians we're taking.

Argus, one of these quotes of your above is incorrect. You don't focus om Muslims, but you do focus on Muslims, is that what I am reading?

[marcus]

15 minutes ago, Bryan said:

Not being indoctrinated tends even out what you might or might not lean towards.

And the only way to not be 'indoctrinated' is if you don't get an education?

[Bryan]

4 minutes ago, marcus said:

And the only way to not be 'indoctrinated' is if you don't get an education?

I never said nor implied anything of the sort.

[marcus]

3 hours ago, Argus said:

taking in hundreds of thousands of people with medieval social views, and this is an ongoing thing, happening every year

How do you qualify that?

How do you measure these individuals' views? 

[carepov]

18 hours ago, Argus said:

I already posted the actual numbers as opposed to simply the names you have here, along with this very link. Again, you seem to be looking at only Muslims and I am not. I've already said that Indians ought to be screened, as well, for example. Yes, there are only about 58,000 from "Muslim" countries on the short list here of top source countries, but in addition some of those coming from India, Nigeria and the Philippines will be Muslims, and others will be religious fanatics of other sorts (certainly from India). Plus we take thousands more from other Muslim countries like Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, Tunisia, Somalia, Libya, etc. That probably puts strictly Muslim numbers at over 100,00 this year given the number of Syrians we're taking.

I did not mean to say hundreds of thousands every year, but that we are taking in hundreds of thousands of people with medieval social views, and this is an ongoing thing, happening every year. If you bring in 100,000 Muslims a year for ten years that's a million Muslims. By way of comparison the last census showed about one million present in Canada at that time, and those numbers are already twice the number of Jews in Canada. Given the growth of the home-grown population, and their continuing attachment to extremely conservative (by Canadian standards) religious views, I see no benefit to Canada in bringing in hundreds of thousands more.

Both the number and the expression "medieval social views" is an exaggeration.  Generally, attitudes towards women, gays and Jews in less developed countries today are comparable to Western attitudes well within the last century.

More importantly, there are civilized people in uncivilized countries and visa versa.People should be judged as individuals and thankfully the Canadian government does that and screens everyone with the same criteria:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/inadmissibility/who.asp

Edited December 24, 2016 by carepov