Omni Posted December 23, 2016 Report Posted December 23, 2016 16 minutes ago, dialamah said: Right-wingers are more of a threat to gays and Jews than Muslim refugees ... Those who support testing refugees for intolerant views of those gays and Jews, do they also support such testing for right-wing individuals? If we are going to prevent intolerant Muslims from entering Canada, how shall we sanction the intolerant right-wingers who are already here? . Well for starters we had the good sense to throw the Harper conservatives out of power. After that I guess we just have to work at the local level. Quote
carepov Posted December 23, 2016 Report Posted December 23, 2016 18 hours ago, The_Squid said: Atheism should be the top indicator of whether or not we allow someone to immigrate to Canada. Is this based on some evidence or just your faith? Quote
carepov Posted December 23, 2016 Report Posted December 23, 2016 11 hours ago, poochy said: Yea, I mean, clearly the only reason to come here is to be more tolerant, it's never to exist in a more tolerant society while disagreeing for other, say, monetary considerations. Yes clearly intolerance can only be the fault of people who don't like the intolerant. With circular arguments like that everyone else should clearly just accept you as the winner...wow. The goal of practically every immigrant is to increase their personal and financial security for themselves and their family. Surveys show that Muslim Canadians are effectively integrating into Canadian society: "Do Muslims feel attached to Canada? As a population made up mostly of immigrants (many having arrived in the past decade), Muslims truly stand out as being among the most enthusiastic group of Canadian patriots. More than eight in ten are very proud to be Canadian (more so than the nonMuslim population) and this sentiment has strengthened over the past decade, especially in Quebec. Strong religious identity notwithstanding, Muslims are as likely as others in this country to say their Canadian identity is very important. And they agree with other Canadians on what makes Canada a great country: its freedom and democracy, and its multicultural diversity. Their greatest dislike, not surprisingly, is the cold climate. " http://www.environicsinstitute.org/uploads/institute-projects/survey of muslims in canada 2016 - final report.pdf Quote
drummindiver Posted December 23, 2016 Report Posted December 23, 2016 15 hours ago, drummindiver said: Are you saying those countries are tolerant and non-theocratic? You seem to be saying this, because you had already moved on from this. 11 hours ago, carepov said: No, I am saying 32,000 is not hundreds of thousands... Are you admitting that muslim countries are not bastions of freedom? Would that be due to Islam? Quote
eyeball Posted December 23, 2016 Report Posted December 23, 2016 36 minutes ago, drummindiver said: Are you admitting that muslim countries are not bastions of freedom? Would that be due to Islam? No, its due dictators, tyrants and despots. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
carepov Posted December 23, 2016 Report Posted December 23, 2016 1 hour ago, drummindiver said: You seem to be saying this, because you had already moved on from this. Are you admitting that muslim countries are not bastions of freedom? Would that be due to Islam? I'm not sure what your point is. Islam does not cause dictatorships or failed states. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted December 23, 2016 Report Posted December 23, 2016 6 minutes ago, carepov said: I'm not sure what your point is. Islam does not cause dictatorships or failed states. Which country dominated by Islam isn't a failed state/dictatorship/war zone? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted December 23, 2016 Report Posted December 23, 2016 23 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: One doesn't 'focus' on a terror attack. It just happens...then you're on the ground and it's raining paper. I bet that you worry more about paying your mortgage than you do terrorism. Quote
carepov Posted December 23, 2016 Report Posted December 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Which country dominated by Islam isn't a failed state/dictatorship/war zone? Malaysia Quote
GostHacked Posted December 23, 2016 Report Posted December 23, 2016 5 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Which country dominated by Islam isn't a failed state/dictatorship/war zone? Why did the Canadian government approve of selling Saudi Arabia 2 B worth of military equipment? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted December 23, 2016 Report Posted December 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, carepov said: Malaysia Let's see...they dish out mob justice Islam style in both Malaysia and Indonesia...et al. Some of the most horrific videos imaginable. Is that what you refer to as successful and desirable for Canada? A few road-side lynchings? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted December 23, 2016 Report Posted December 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, GostHacked said: Why did the Canadian government approve of selling Saudi Arabia 2 B worth of military equipment? Why did the government do that? Trudeau must really LOVE Saudi Arabia. I suspect he's a Muslim. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
carepov Posted December 23, 2016 Report Posted December 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Let's see...they dish out mob justice Islam style in both Malaysia and Indonesia...et al. Some of the most horrific videos imaginable. Is that what you refer to as successful and desirable for Canada? A few road-side lynchings? Is Malaysia a failed state/dictatorship/war zone? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted December 23, 2016 Report Posted December 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, carepov said: Is Malaysia a failed state/dictatorship/war zone? Future War Zone: ISIS is active is Malaysia. The terror has already started. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted December 23, 2016 Report Posted December 23, 2016 6 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Why did the government do that? Trudeau must really LOVE Saudi Arabia. I suspect he's a Muslim. That is a good question. Why DID the government do that? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted December 23, 2016 Report Posted December 23, 2016 Just now, GostHacked said: That is a good question. Why DID the government do that? You told them to? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted December 23, 2016 Author Report Posted December 23, 2016 13 hours ago, carepov said: No, I am saying 32,000 is not hundreds of thousands... Where did that number come from? According to the cite I posted earlier Canada is bringing in well over 100,000 per year, and that was in 2015. When you consider we took in 40,000 Syrians in 2016 on top of regular streams that number is certainly much higher now. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 23, 2016 Author Report Posted December 23, 2016 13 hours ago, carepov said: I would be surprised if there are more than 80,000 Muslims per year. Canadian Muslims are certainly more religious than the average Canadian. I have no problem with that. Canadian Muslims are blending in fine as per the Pew survey, I see no evidence of hatred of gays and Jews. You can see the cite I posted of immigration from source countries in 2015. It was probably around 150,000 that year, and with Syria closer to 200,000 this year. Being more religious than the average Canadian is fine until you learn what that religion is teaching about women, jews and gays. Just ask Irshad Manji about that. And they're not 'blending in' if they're wearing distinctive outfits specifically designed to ensure they DON'T blend in. Just how would you see such evidence, other than an increase in hate crimes - which is what we're seeing. I do not want to wait until we're like France and Germany and have to post cops with automatic weapons outside every Jewish temple and school. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 23, 2016 Author Report Posted December 23, 2016 11 hours ago, dialamah said: Right-wingers are more of a threat to gays and Jews than Muslim refugees ... Those who support testing refugees for intolerant views of those gays and Jews, do they also support such testing for right-wing individuals? If we are going to prevent intolerant Muslims from entering Canada, how shall we sanction the intolerant right-wingers who are already here? The rise in attacks on Jews throughout Europe has clearly been in tandem with the rise of Muslims coming there from the middle east. As for testing Canadians that is a moronic idea. Canadians are entitled to whatever opinions they have. We do not need to grant such rights to foreigners. Are you sure you aren't opposing the testing of foreigners for violently anti-western sentiments for fear it will keep your relatives out? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
GostHacked Posted December 23, 2016 Report Posted December 23, 2016 41 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: You told them to? Hmm, last time I checked I don't have that kind of pull in the government. Must be someone else. But that's a nice tactic of blaming me for Canada selling 2B worth of military equipment to Saudi Arabia, knowing your stated views on dictatorships. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted December 23, 2016 Report Posted December 23, 2016 On 12/22/2016 at 9:01 AM, dialamah said: Never been blown up. I have been raped once and physically sexually assaulted more than once. However, being able to differentiate between *individuals* and *entire groups* I have not made it my life's mission to prove all men are incipient rapists. My thinking goes like this: the men who raped me are rapists, any man could be a rapists, most men aren't, so I'm ok with men in my world. Same with Muslims: some Muslims are violent extremists, anyone can be a violent extremist, most Muslims aren't violent extremists, so I'm ok with Muslims in my world. Oh wow! So sorry to hear about your trauma Dialamah. You sound very well adjusted now and I'm so glad you have moved on in a healthy way. Kudos to you!!!! Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
DogOnPorch Posted December 23, 2016 Report Posted December 23, 2016 1 minute ago, WestCoastRunner said: Oh wow! So sorry to hear about your trauma Dialamah. You sound very well adjusted now and I'm so glad you have moved on in a healthy way. Kudos to you!!!! Don't worry...I survived, too. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
WestCoastRunner Posted December 23, 2016 Report Posted December 23, 2016 Just now, DogOnPorch said: Don't worry...I survived, too. Sorry to hear that. Did you post it? If so, I missed it. I apologize. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
drummindiver Posted December 23, 2016 Report Posted December 23, 2016 11 hours ago, Omni said: Well for starters we had the good sense to throw the Harper conservatives out of power. After that I guess we just have to work at the local level. I can't even...nuclear face palm. 2 hours ago, eyeball said: No, its due dictators, tyrants and despots. Who are Muslim. 1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said: Why did the government do that? Trudeau must really LOVE Saudi Arabia. I suspect he's a Muslim. He technically is. He said the Shahdada in front of witnesses. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted December 23, 2016 Report Posted December 23, 2016 (edited) 13 minutes ago, drummindiver said: He technically is. He said the Shahdada in front of witnesses. Agreed. The Muslims certainly would think of him as a convert after saying the Islamic credos. Edited December 23, 2016 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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