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[Guest]

7 minutes ago, dialamah said:

There are people in Canada who would not object to laws imprisoning gays.   Perhaps death would be acceptable too, if we had any capital punishment laws.  Its not like people won't beat them up for being gay; how far is that from wanting to kill them?

People get beaten up for supporting the wrong football team.  I did say, notwithstanding the occasional looney.  In Canada, I doubt you could get a majority for the Death Penalty for everyday murder.  (Sure, the Olsons and the Bernados get extra votes)  I really don't see the death penalty for gay people.

[dialamah]

10 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

 In Canada, I doubt you could get a majority for the Death Penalty for everyday murder.  (Sure, the Olsons and the Bernados get extra votes)  I really don't see the death penalty for gay people.

Exactly right.   But those sentiments do exist, even in Canada among Canadians.   That they aren't supported by the majority should being reassurance to those who harp on how Muslims are.going to impose Sharia law, yada yada.     

[Guest]

Just now, dialamah said:

Exactly right.   But those sentiments do exist, even in Canada among Canadians.   That they aren't supported by the majority should being reassurance to those who harp on how Muslims are.going to impose Sharia law, yada yada.     

I don't care about Muslims who do not wish to impose Sharia Law.  I do care about those who do.  The trick is to nip such things in the bud before they get any momentum.

[dialamah]

2 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

I don't care about Muslims who do not wish to impose Sharia Law.  I do care about those who do.  The trick is to nip such things in the bud before they get any momentum.

I'm sure we agree on that, too.  

[taxme]

On 11/11/2016 at 9:42 PM, ?Impact said:

 

The government has set aside $26,372 per refugee, and that is over 5-6 years. I don't know where your figures come from, I am looking at the budget figures. $678 million for 25,000 refugees over 6 years, and $245 million for another 10,000 refugees over 5 years. That is way far below your $2 billion/year figure.

If you believe that your figures mentioned above are going to be accurate over time well you must believe in Santa Claus. We all should know by now that the dollar figures given to we the sheeple by our phony politicians for any of their pet projects, and pet programs, and pet agendas always cost way more than what they told us the original amount would be. I would believe Argus figures way more than I would believe yours. When politicians want to get something done, they seem to always want to quote what would be 1970'S dollar figures. Anyone who believes anything these days as to what the government tells them, well they must be living in la-la land. 

So, just how many of those refugees have you taken into your home, eh? You appear to be one of those nice Canadians out there who sees nothing wrong with bringing in hundreds of thousands of new refugees every few years or so. Refugees who will be sucking of the Canadian taxpayers teat for decades to come, and who will do nothing for our unemployment problem Canada has today but add to it. 

Personally, me being a not so nice person, I would let none in. I would not bring any strangers into my home, and feed,clothe and house them for months or maybe years. That is the way it should be in Canada also. But if one wants to bring a refugee in, and take care of them, fine, but they should not be allowed access to any of our medical or social services for free. The sponsor should pay for all their needs until they can get on their feet. Besides, don't you think that all that money given away to refugees could have been better spent on our own Canadian people first? The billions of tax dollars blown on strangers is to me a crime. It is a misuse of taxpayer's tax dollars. My opinion, of course.   

[betsy]

7 hours ago, The_Squid said:

Actually, no.  Ant-gay people here would be fine with how they teat gays in the middle east.  It's just that they've been forced to accept the secular humanist vision of gay rights in Canada.

I don't know which anti-gay here you're referring to, but just so to be clear.........Christians aren't fine about killing people!  Period.

[betsy]

13 hours ago, dialamah said:

 

2.  If people from another culture come to Canada and want to reduce individual rights regarding abortion, LGBT, promiscuity and adultery I will fight them on it, exactly the same as I fight Christians when they try to push their moral code about these things.  

Excuse me, aren't you confused?  People like you are the ones who's pushing your Satanic, twisted morality on Christians!

Not only do you not only demand that we tolerate gay sex,  and abortion.....but you demand that religious conviction be thrown in the trash, and that we must accept your twisted morality, and even participate in celebrating them!  Now, doctors are even being pressured to spill human blood by doing euthanasia. 

 

  Hillary invoked the kid sitting at the back of the ambulance, to project sympathy and empathy.....and liberals invoked the kid that's washed ashore on the beach.  I just saw a picture showing a toddler, with a caption below - "fear of Trump." 

Heck, when did you guys even start caring about children?  You think nothing of ripping them apart just prior to being born!  So you can understand when I say......liberals are the most hypocritical folks walking on earth, in the guise of humans.  That's why I say liberals are psychopaths!

 

This liberal lunacy is in control of Canada.  That's the awful truth.

 

 

Edited November 14, 2016 by betsy

[betsy]

5 hours ago, dialamah said:

Exactly right.   But those sentiments do exist, even in Canada among Canadians.   That they aren't supported by the majority should being reassurance to those who harp on how Muslims are.going to impose Sharia law, yada yada.     

As you used the same term, you're not only dense ....but you're basically ignorant, if you compare the capital punishment in civilized countries to the Sharia law as being the same.

Did we ever execute anyone for mere adultery? 

Did we ever do stoning in Canada, or in the USA?  Do you have any idea how horrible it is to die from stoning?

Don't they try to execute in the most humane way possible in the USA?  Using technology to make it more humane?

 

Those are just a few differences.  We haven't even touched about treatment of women.

Edited November 14, 2016 by betsy

[betsy]

14 hours ago, WestCoastRunner said:

Maybe the FN people need to be white. 

More like.....they need to be Muslims.

[betsy]

7 hours ago, Smallc said:

So you've met them, then.

So you've met them, then?

[betsy]

6 hours ago, dialamah said:

I'm sure we agree on that, too.  

Since you agree with bcsapper:

 

 

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6 hours ago, bcsapper said:

I don't care about Muslims who do not wish to impose Sharia Law.  I do care about those who do.  The trick is to nip such things in the bud before they get any momentum.

 

 

Do you agree that screening  immigrants about Sharia Law (which is not compatible with our values), is only practical, and that it should be done?  Please answer.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, betsy said:

Since you agree with bcsapper:

 

 

Do you agree that screening  immigrants about Sharia Law (which is not compatible with our values), is only practical, and that it should be done?  Please answer.

I felt I could but in here because I was mentioned.  I am on record here as being against that.  I feel it is important to let all immigrants know exactly what kind of country they are letting themselves in for, and and that they will be punted back from whence they came if they mess up, but not screening.  I can't see how that would work.  Beyond the basic stuff, of course.  Criminal background stuff.

[?Impact]

15 hours ago, Smallc said:

Between your posts here and in the US politics section, it's almost as if you're two different people.  Some of the things are very ironic.

I don't see any change in political position, only against the character of the child-man (DT).

9 hours ago, taxme said:

If you believe that your figures mentioned above are going to be accurate over time well you must believe in Santa Claus.

...

Besides, don't you think that all that money given away to refugees could have been better spent on our own Canadian people first? The billions of tax dollars blown on strangers is to me a crime. It is a misuse of taxpayer's tax dollars. My opinion, of course.   

Do government programs exceed their original estimates, yes. Do politicians lowball to support their ideas, yes. Do special interest groups lie to support their ideas, also yes. You seem to accept the first two yeses, yet totally ignore the third.

Yes, the money spent to create and expand the crisis in the middle east should have been spent on our own Canadian people first. We now have a responsibility to fix our mistakes.

[Argus]

15 hours ago, The_Squid said:

Actually, no.  Ant-gay people here would be fine with how they teat gays in the middle east.  It's just that they've been forced to accept the secular humanist vision of gay rights in Canada.

Yeah, that's crap. I doubt you'd get more than the very rare extreme religious fundamentalist who would even contemplate execution for being gay, the same kind who would be okay with killing people for blaspheme or adultery.

Most of the 'anti-gay' people in Canada are just squeamish about the lifestyle and what they imagine they do together, with a smattering of "God said no" types thrown in. There is no appetite in Canada for criminalizing homosexuality. 

[BubberMiley]

8 hours ago, betsy said:

 

Not only do you not only demand that we tolerate gay sex,  and abortion.....but you demand that religious conviction be thrown in the trash, and that we must accept your twisted morality, and even participate in celebrating them! 

Who has demanded that you tolerate gay sex or have an abortion? I think it's agreed by all reasonable people that you shouldn't be forced to do either of those things against your will. Don't make up lies saying you've been forced into it. It makes your argument weaker.

[taxme]

1 hour ago, ?Impact said:

I don't see any change in political position, only against the character of the child-man (DT).

Do government programs exceed their original estimates, yes. Do politicians lowball to support their ideas, yes. Do special interest groups lie to support their ideas, also yes. You seem to accept the first two yeses, yet totally ignore the third.

Yes, the money spent to create and expand the crisis in the middle east should have been spent on our own Canadian people first. We now have a responsibility to fix our mistakes.

I agree, it is always the minority of special interest groups that really make up the policies for Canada. And this will never change in Canada until we elect a Prime Minister who uses more common sense and logic rather than with politically correct emotionalism, and we put an end to minority rule in Canada. It is so ridiculous to continue to allow the loudmouth minority lobbies to tell the majority that this is how things are going to be done in Canada. This is why Canada is in debt up to it's nose because of a tiny minority who get to rule the majority, and are able to shove so many liberal and socialist programs and agendas down our Canadian throats.

With all the money spent just on the ME and refugees alone we probably could have boosted our pensioners checks possibly by 40%, and done more for our veterans, and child poverty here in Canada. Government is the problem, never the solution. One can get the impression that the government wants to create confusion, and then pretend to want to try and fix it. But as long as Canadians keep running to the government for more money, and more government intrusion into their lives, the more of a debt mess the politicians will get us into. But hey. 

[taxme]

9 hours ago, betsy said:

Excuse me, aren't you confused?  People like you are the ones who's pushing your Satanic, twisted morality on Christians!

Not only do you not only demand that we tolerate gay sex,  and abortion.....but you demand that religious conviction be thrown in the trash, and that we must accept your twisted morality, and even participate in celebrating them!  Now, doctors are even being pressured to spill human blood by doing euthanasia. 

 

  Hillary invoked the kid sitting at the back of the ambulance, to project sympathy and empathy.....and liberals invoked the kid that's washed ashore on the beach.  I just saw a picture showing a toddler, with a caption below - "fear of Trump." 

Heck, when did you guys even start caring about children?  You think nothing of ripping them apart just prior to being born!  So you can understand when I say......liberals are the most hypocritical folks walking on earth, in the guise of humans.  That's why I say liberals are psychopaths!

 

This liberal lunacy is in control of Canada.  That's the awful truth.

 

 

Gawd Betsy, you really have to stop telling it like it is. It could possibly wake up some of those wonderful and caring about people liberals, and may bring them back to reality and maybe start to use a bit more common sense and logic in the way they think for a change. Indeed, the liberal lunacy is alive and well in Canada, and the sad part is that there are so many of them running around out there. Scary stuff indeed. 

 

[taxme]

14 hours ago, bcsapper said:

People get beaten up for supporting the wrong football team.  I did say, notwithstanding the occasional looney.  In Canada, I doubt you could get a majority for the Death Penalty for everyday murder.  (Sure, the Olsons and the Bernados get extra votes)  I really don't see the death penalty for gay people.

If would like to have a referendum on Capital Punishment here in Canada, and let us see if the majority of Canadians are in favor of it or not. But of course, that is only a dream for me because I get the impression that too many people make too much money from keeping the likes of Bernardo and Olsen around. The millions of tax dollars being blown on those scum could be better spent on needy Canadians and Canada itself. But when in Canada did common sense and logic ever prevail over emotional sillyness, eh? 

[taxme]

14 hours ago, bcsapper said:

I don't care about Muslims who do not wish to impose Sharia Law.  I do care about those who do.  The trick is to nip such things in the bud before they get any momentum.

In Britain, the Muslims have pretty much taken over some communities in the London area, and the Muslims have patrols that go around the streets trying to force Sharia law on the non-Muslim residents. The sad part about it all is that they are allowed to get away with it. Even the police now stay away from going into some of those communities where Muslims live. Like one person put it. When they are a small percentage, they just go along with the flow. When their percentage begins to rise too say 15% they then start to ask or demand Sharia law. And if they don't get it, they riot in the streets. Any country that allows a new religion into their midst and allows them to promote their religion in that country are asking for problems. They then try and change how the rules and regulations and laws of that country must change to suit their religions. A country that allows more languages,cultures,religions,traditions and heritage to compete with the countries culture and ways of doing things is a country looking for the day when the crap hits the fan. 

[taxme]

9 hours ago, betsy said:

As you used the same term, you're not only dense ....but you're basically ignorant, if you compare the capital punishment in civilized countries to the Sharia law as being the same.

Did we ever execute anyone for mere adultery? 

Did we ever do stoning in Canada, or in the USA?  Do you have any idea how horrible it is to die from stoning?

Don't they try to execute in the most humane way possible in the USA?  Using technology to make it more humane?

 

Those are just a few differences.  We haven't even touched about treatment of women.

In Muslim Saudi Arabia for example, they punish criminals or politically incorrect citizen's by throwing them blindfolded and hands tied behind their backs off roof tops. They drown people in cages. They behead people. Yes indeed. those Muslims are sure humane in how they execute their criminals or those who insult their satanic profit called Mohammad.   

[dialamah]

The above is old news, from 2013.  The three men who were doing this were condemned by the local mosque and Muslims, and they were arrested.  

[betsy]

11 minutes ago, dialamah said:

The above is old news, from 2013.  The three men who were doing this were condemned by the local mosque and Muslims, and they were arrested.  

Review your response to bcsapper:

 

 

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6 hours ago, bcsapper said:

I don't care about Muslims who do not wish to impose Sharia Law.  I do care about those who do.  The trick is to nip such things in the bud before they get any momentum.

 

 

 

 

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dialamah:

I'm sure we agree on that, too.  

 

 

I followed that up with a question.  Don't ignore it!

 

Do you agree that screening  immigrants about Sharia Law (which is not compatible with our values), is only practical, and that it should be done? 

Edited November 14, 2016 by betsy

[betsy]

13 minutes ago, dialamah said:

The above is old news, from 2013.  The three men who were doing this were condemned by the local mosque and Muslims, and they were arrested.  

 

So, you're okay with stoning?  

  Sharia Law is not old news.  

Edited November 14, 2016 by betsy

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, betsy said:

 

So, you're okay with stoning?  

  Sharia Law is not old news.  

 

Only three fellas causing all this fuss, too...give me a pistol...I'll go get them.

[dialamah]

@Betsy.  I will agree to screening for Sharia law as long as we can also screen Christians for their un-Canadian values.   This would include objecting to gay marriage/activity, objecting to abortion, teaching abstinence instead birth control, using family, social and religious pressure to dictate how women dress, the belief that you should shun or disfellowship lapsed or disobedient Christians and the belief that it is a Christian duty to evangelize and try to convert people.

I'm guessing you won't for that so how about this:  I support arresting and jailing people who break the law.  Even if they are Muslim or Christian and even if their God, their scripture, their Imam or their pastor told them to do it.