Refugees visit food banks.

taxme · November 9, 2016

Well, for all the good our politicians did for us by bringing in all those unwanted refugees Canada did not need, I saw on the CBC news network a caption this morning that said that the new refugees that have been here for almost a year now are now visiting food bank outlets to stay alive. These refugees are now taking food from Canadians mouths. Is this right? I think not.

We always know has to who can be blamed for any problems a country may have? Our elected officials who seem to feel that they are the ones in the know how, and the rest of us sheeple should just stay quiet and accept without a cry about what they foist on we the taxpayer's. And we are told that immigration is needed and will be great for Canada and Canadians. I just do not understand the common sense or logic to all of this flooding the country with hundreds of thousands of new immigrants every year even when our politicians know that with all their immigration promotion Canada is in an economic slump. when are the taxpayer's going to wake up and put an end to this madness. There is suppose to be 2 million Canadians unemployed, and yet with all this immigration, there is still close to two million Canadians unemployed. Dammit, we don't need more immigration, we need less. We need a politician like Trump who wants to put an end to mass immigration of refugees and illegals into our country because it is happening here. We need to put up a wall ourselves and try to solve this problem for starters. We need change, now, and not wait for another decade to solve the problem because by then it will be even worse than what it is today. Political correctness and emotionalism needs to come to an end for Canadians sake, and if you care for Canada and your people which I am sad to say I don't see much of here.

?Impact · November 9, 2016

Refugees and immigrants are not the same. I agree we need to rethink our immigration strategy, but that is a completely different issue than our obligation to help refugees. Are there better way to help refugees, absolutely a valid question to ask. Turning a blind eye however is not the solution, especially to a problem we had a hand in creating.

betsy · November 9, 2016

1 hour ago, taxme said:

Well, for all the good our politicians did for us by bringing in all those unwanted refugees Canada did not need, I saw on the CBC news network a caption this morning that said that the new refugees that have been here for almost a year now are now visiting food bank outlets to stay alive. These refugees are now taking food from Canadians mouths. Is this right? I think not.

We always know has to who can be blamed for any problems a country may have? Our elected officials who seem to feel that they are the ones in the know how, and the rest of us sheeple should just stay quiet and accept without a cry about what they foist on we the taxpayer's. And we are told that immigration is needed and will be great for Canada and Canadians. I just do not understand the common sense or logic to all of this flooding the country with hundreds of thousands of new immigrants every year even when our politicians know that with all their immigration promotion Canada is in an economic slump. when are the taxpayer's going to wake up and put an end to this madness. There is suppose to be 2 million Canadians unemployed, and yet with all this immigration, there is still close to two million Canadians unemployed. Dammit, we don't need more immigration, we need less. We need a politician like Trump who wants to put an end to mass immigration of refugees and illegals into our country because it is happening here. We need to put up a wall ourselves and try to solve this problem for starters. We need change, now, and not wait for another decade to solve the problem because by then it will be even worse than what it is today. Political correctness and emotionalism needs to come to an end for Canadians sake, and if you care for Canada and your people which I am sad to say I don't see much of here.

Uh-oh. Media is saying the financial support for these refugees isn't enough. They seem to be shaming the government for a raise.

What about the thousands more coming? I think the push against globalisation and the establishment.....will be coming soon to a government nearest you.

I want to hear more about her platform......Kelly Leitch might be Canada's Trump.

Edited November 9, 2016 by betsy

taxme · November 9, 2016

2 hours ago, betsy said:

Uh-oh. Media is saying the financial support for these refugees isn't enough. They seem to be shaming the government for a raise.

What about the thousands more coming? I think the push against globalisation and the establishment.....will be coming soon to a government nearest you.

I want to hear more about her platform......Kelly Leitch might be Canada's Trump.

It would appear as though refugees are more important to the globalist elite corporate fake media and the politically correct politicians that, unfortunately, run this country. Our veterans, senior citizen's and stories about Canadian children going to bed hungry or to school hungry is not important to them. It's all about the refugees and illegals. It's billions of Canadian tax dollars for the refugees and peanuts for Canadians who have paid their fair share of taxes in this country for decades. We must not forget that the phony fake media does not care about Canada or Canadians. They do the bidding for their corporate globalist elite masters who pay their salary to feed bs to us all. Between the media and our politicians I don't know which is worse. In my opinion none are worth the time of day. I don't know much about this Kelly Leitch but if she/he were like a Trump, well she would get my vote. I want him/her to speak out about this when interviewed and give her/him their opinions about immigration, multiculturalism, and political correctness. Until then, there is no one out there that would get my approval. Trump has now got to take on the globalists and the establishment that has been shafting the Joe and Mary American taxpayer for decades. The British voted for Brexit. The Americans have chosen Trump. The globalists and their establishment are on the run now and their goal for world domination looks like it is about to crash. Isn't that just so sad to hear?

betsy · November 10, 2016

12 hours ago, taxme said:

It would appear as though refugees are more important to the globalist elite corporate fake media and the politically correct politicians that, unfortunately, run this country. Our veterans, senior citizen's and stories about Canadian children going to bed hungry or to school hungry is not important to them. It's all about the refugees and illegals. It's billions of Canadian tax dollars for the refugees and peanuts for Canadians who have paid their fair share of taxes in this country for decades. We must not forget that the phony fake media does not care about Canada or Canadians. They do the bidding for their corporate globalist elite masters who pay their salary to feed bs to us all. Between the media and our politicians I don't know which is worse. In my opinion none are worth the time of day. I don't know much about this Kelly Leitch but if she/he were like a Trump, well she would get my vote. I want him/her to speak out about this when interviewed and give her/him their opinions about immigration, multiculturalism, and political correctness. Until then, there is no one out there that would get my approval. Trump has now got to take on the globalists and the establishment that has been shafting the Joe and Mary American taxpayer for decades. The British voted for Brexit. The Americans have chosen Trump. The globalists and their establishment are on the run now and their goal for world domination looks like it is about to crash. Isn't that just so sad to hear?

Media ran a story about housing among First Nation - they showed broken down homes, with molds and roaches. Our government has to first address the well-being of its own people before taking in more.....

Our Conservative party is not really a conservative party. That's how I see it when I listen to all these contenders. The only one so far that stands out for me is Kelly Leitch, because of her PRACTICAL and SENSIBLE approach to what would become a big problem for all of us, if we don't address it now: SCREENING and ACCEPTING IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES that are compatible with our Canadian values!

I'm so disappointed on all those conservative officials who'd jumped on her for saying that! At least, they showed their colors.

They're not conservatives at all, imho. I've crossed them out. They're "Liberals-lite."

Edited November 10, 2016 by betsy

Topaz · November 10, 2016

I also heard that when the government money support runs out they have to go to welfare if they don't have a job and many don't because they don't know English.

Argus · November 11, 2016

10 hours ago, Topaz said:

I also heard that when the government money support runs out they have to go to welfare if they don't have a job and many don't because they don't know English.

Or turn to crime. Virtually all our serious street crime in Ottawa is made up of immigrants/refugees.

Smallc · November 11, 2016

Citation needed.

taxme · November 11, 2016

On 11/9/2016 at 0:05 PM, ?Impact said:

Refugees and immigrants are not the same. I agree we need to rethink our immigration strategy, but that is a completely different issue than our obligation to help refugees. Are there better way to help refugees, absolutely a valid question to ask. Turning a blind eye however is not the solution, especially to a problem we had a hand in creating.

I had no hand in the creation of the refugee problem. Our elected officials did that for us all. Canada got involved in the Middle East mess, and now Canadians are going to have to pay hundreds of millions of our tax dollars to feed, clothe and house all those refugees that get here. I agree, we do need to rethink our immigration policy now. It is in a shambles. Refugees and immigrants may not be the same but how do we not know if all the new immigrants fall into the refugee catagory? And can we be sure that all those new immigrants have jobs to come too? No doubt the taxpayer's of Canada will be paying for some of them while they try and find and take another Canadians job away.

According to what Ezra Levant said on The Rebel Saudi Arabia has tens of thousands of air conditioned tents sitting in the desert, and all are empty. Apparently, Saudi Arabia did not take in any refugees into their country according to Ezra. Canadians are being made fools of by our politically correct politicians who appear to worry more about the rest of the world rather than they do about Canada. It's your tax dollars at work here. Think about that folks when you go to work, and have to pay taxes from your pay check to look after others who should not be here. It is time for more common sense and logic, and less emotionalism. Too much emotionalism will bankrupt and kill a country. Wakey-wakey time.

taxme · November 11, 2016

On 11/10/2016 at 4:31 AM, betsy said:

Media ran a story about housing among First Nation - they showed broken down homes, with molds and roaches. Our government has to first address the well-being of its own people before taking in more.....

Our Conservative party is not really a conservative party. That's how I see it when I listen to all these contenders. The only one so far that stands out for me is Kelly Leitch, because of her PRACTICAL and SENSIBLE approach to what would become a big problem for all of us, if we don't address it now: SCREENING and ACCEPTING IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES that are compatible with our Canadian values!

I'm so disappointed on all those conservative officials who'd jumped on her for saying that! At least, they showed their colors.

They're not conservatives at all, imho. I've crossed them out. They're "Liberals-lite."

I agree with what you say. As far as I am concerned the conservative party is just another politically correct liberal party. There is no true conservative party in Canada. All of our political party's in Canada have been assimilated by the liberal Borg elite establishment. If Kelly Lietch is speaking political incorrectness than it is for sure that the elite Borg establishment will make sure that she goes nowhere in her party. No one will be allowed to question or challenge immigration or multiculturalism or political correctness in Canada. Those three topics are taboo and are sacred cows in Canada, and no one will be allowed to challenge any of those two sacred and taboo topics. Many have tried, and many have failed.

taxme · November 11, 2016

On 11/10/2016 at 5:15 AM, Topaz said:

I also heard that when the government money support runs out they have to go to welfare if they don't have a job and many don't because they don't know English.

All the more reason for not bringing anymore refugees or new immigrants into this country. The cost of looking after these people is staggering. This has nothing to do with racism but more to do with using a more common sense and logic approach to our immigration policy mess. From my understanding the elite liberal establishment want to bring in hundreds of thousands more new immigrants and refugees, and our social and medical systems and infrastructures are starting to buckle under all this immigration. Our fake politically correct politicians keep telling us that Canada needs more immigrants to help the economy grow, but yet we still see millions of unemployed Canadians out there looking for jobs. Yup, all this immigration is sure good for Canada, eh? On the news it was said that Canada is in an economic slump. Our politicians answer to that? Bring in more. Sad.

taxme · November 11, 2016

21 hours ago, Argus said:

Or turn to crime. Virtually all our serious street crime in Ottawa is made up of immigrants/refugees.

Shhhhh, you are not suppose to say things like that about our new immigrants and refugees. It is not politically correct to do so. To tell the people the other side of the story is not how things are suppose to be done in Canada. You are upsetting the establishment.

For your saying that street crime in Ottawa is made up mostly by immigrants and refugees, you must now be assimilated into the Borg elite liberal intolerant establishment belief that there will be no negative talk about all our new and wonderful neighbors. The Borg are on their way to see and assimilate you. How dare you.

WestCoastRunner · November 11, 2016

I viewed a black and white photography collection the other day. Many were of white women carrying their young children on their hips fleeing their drought stricken communities to greener pastures with many children dying along the way. If these Syrian refugees were white, I wonder how much more empathy there would be.

bush_cheney2004 · November 11, 2016

3 minutes ago, WestCoastRunner said:

I viewed a black and white photography collection the other day. Many were of white women carrying their young children on their hips fleeing their drought stricken communities to greener pastures with many children dying along the way. If these Syrian refugees were white, I wonder how much more empathy there would be.

Interesting, because most Syrians are considered to be "Caucasians" (white) in the Middle East. White people can be refugees too.

WestCoastRunner · November 12, 2016

12 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Interesting, because most Syrians are considered to be "Caucasians" (white) in the Middle East. White people can be refugees too.

I'm pretty sure Canada and the U.S. Don't consider them white.

bush_cheney2004 · November 12, 2016

Just now, WestCoastRunner said:

I'm pretty sure Canada and the U.S. Don't consider them white.

I don't know about Canada...in the U.S. they are considered to be "white" for census reasons unless self identified differently. A separate ethnic category for the Middle East is being considered.

WestCoastRunner · November 12, 2016

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

I don't know about Canada...in the U.S. they are considered to be "white" for census reasons unless self identified differently. A separate ethnic category for the Middle East is being considered.

If they were truly considered white the U.S. Would be allowing in thousands more. You know it and I know it.

Edited November 12, 2016 by WestCoastRunner

bush_cheney2004 · November 12, 2016

5 minutes ago, WestCoastRunner said:

If they were truly considered white the U.S. Would be allowing in thousands more. You know it and I know it.

I doubt that...the U.S. was bombing Syria back in the 1980's. Your race based assertion is false.

Argus · November 12, 2016

On 11/10/2016 at 8:15 AM, Topaz said:

I also heard that when the government money support runs out they have to go to welfare if they don't have a job and many don't because they don't know English.

It's nice to be nice, isn't it? Liberals love being nice, and more importantly, being seen to be nice. Of course, they're being nice with my money. While they love to have selfies taken with refugees showing how nice they are they never tell us how much it's costing us.

For example, it costs approx $50,000 to process each refugee. Since we took in 40,000 refugees this year, that is $2 billion a year. In addition, there are ongoing costs of feeding, clothing and sheltering them, providing them with health care and other services, and ongoing language training. That's likely something like a billion a year until they can get on their feet. And since most arrive from third world countries with little in the way of language skills (or often other saleable skills) the bulk of them will never turn out to be economically successful to the point they wind up paying income taxes.

And these costs add up. Because the refugees this year go on top of the ones last year and then will come next year's batch. Most are not very highly skilled, and they now make up something like 12-13% of our landed immigrants each year.

Being nice gets costly.

Letting in lots of senior citizen immigrants has a cost, too, even if it is 'nice'. The cost was estimated at $2 billion per year to pay for the immigrants who arrived, but now we've doubled the number, so we're looking at $4 billion per year, mostly in health care that the immigrant never paid for during his lifetime.

Nice.

And it's easy to be nice when it's all distant from you, but I wonder if the Canadian born family waiting for subsidized housing feels appreciative when they get bumped down the multiple years long list because we take in a batch of new refugees. And I wonder if Canadians waiting months for an MRI or surgery are appreciative when they get bumped down the list because of newcomers who just arrived in the country last year or last month.

Mr. Trudeau is so... nice. But he's not the one who has to pay for any of it.

?Impact · November 12, 2016

4 hours ago, Argus said:

For example, it costs approx $50,000 to process each refugee. Since we took in 40,000 refugees this year, that is $2 billion a year.

The government has set aside $26,372 per refugee, and that is over 5-6 years. I don't know where your figures come from, I am looking at the budget figures. $678 million for 25,000 refugees over 6 years, and $245 million for another 10,000 refugees over 5 years. That is way far below your $2 billion/year figure.

betsy · November 12, 2016

16 hours ago, WestCoastRunner said:

I viewed a black and white photography collection the other day. Many were of white women carrying their young children on their hips fleeing their drought stricken communities to greener pastures with many children dying along the way. If these Syrian refugees were white, I wonder how much more empathy there would be.

I viewed a colored clip on tv several days ago. It's what's happening now to our own FN people. They aren't white folks, but they are our own! Their living conditions are just horrible. If our government can't even solve this problem - why would they take on more?

Maybe FN people are better off to go out of Canada.....and come back in as Muslim refugees from Syria.

Trying to come in as Yazidis and Christian Syrians won't cut it. Those are not the preferred refugees at all even though they're the targeted groups for systematic atrocities. Instead of being the first ones for consideration, look how many Yazidis we took in - they gotta shame and force the government to take them before it did. And even that, only a fraction of them were taken. They gotta be Muslims! Their problem will be solved.

Edited November 12, 2016 by betsy

betsy · November 12, 2016

Democrats and Liberals......are of the same moulds. Democrat strategies had helped Liberals here during elections.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ndp-liberals-using-grassroots-mobilization-tactics-from-obama-campaigns/article22216447/

So maybe, who knows......our Liberals may be sharing the same affinity with Islam, just like Obama and Hillary does.

Edited November 12, 2016 by betsy

Argus · November 12, 2016

11 hours ago, ?Impact said:

The government has set aside $26,372 per refugee, and that is over 5-6 years. I don't know where your figures come from, I am looking at the budget figures. $678 million for 25,000 refugees over 6 years, and $245 million for another 10,000 refugees over 5 years. That is way far below your $2 billion/year figure.

Probably from this and stories like it. But think for just a moment. Can you live on $26,372 for 5-6 years? I'm thinking not.

?Impact · November 12, 2016

21 minutes ago, Argus said:

Probably from this and stories like it. But think for just a moment. Can you live on $26,372 for 5-6 years? I'm thinking not.

What you are assuming in both cases is the refugees are not working and supporting themselves. The goal of the refugee program is not to create welfare cases, but integrate them into the Canadian economy.

Argus · November 12, 2016

13 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

What you are assuming in both cases is the refugees are not working and supporting themselves. The goal of the refugee program is not to create welfare cases, but integrate them into the Canadian economy.

Sure. But let's face facts. We're talking about people with, for the most part, no knowledge of English/French, without the modern, technical skills and abilities we take for granted (how many do you think can type?), from a culture completely different from the one here, often with little or no education beyond primary school, and with no assets. What's left for them but unskilled labour? And even that requires they learn English first.