You can't call a spade a spade?

[SpankyMcFarland]

Two quotes from the interview I referenced above:

AMT: Well, let me ask you. Has there been enough discussion in your community about the problems caused by alcohol?

HAROLD R. JOHNSON: No, we're trying to open up the conversation. Let's talk about it. Let's bring it out into the light and talk about it. It's really hard for white people to talk about Indians and alcohol, because the fear that someone is going to point a finger at them and call them racist. The opposite occurs in my community, where we don't want to talk about it publicly, because we're afraid people are going to point their fingers at us and call us lazy, dirty, drunken Indians. I firmly believe that the solution is in bringing it out and talking about it. And the people will find the answers. I'm not offering a whole bunch of solutions. I'm not going to go and tell my people you have to do a, b, c, and things will get better. We've had people come into our communities forever telling us how to do things and having solutions for us. And then they leave and the solutions don't work. The solutions will come from the people, but we have to have a conversation first.

AMT: You have written this book as a conversation among Indigenous people and you say that non-Indigenous people are welcome to listen. What do you want those of us who are not Indigenous to think about or do when we listen to you talking about this?

HAROLD R. JOHNSON: Mm. That’s hard. You are not responsible. Don't feel guilty about it. Speak honestly about it. Talk about your own issues with alcohol. Be part of the conversation.

[cybercoma]

Like I said, if this was a white guy nobody would have thought twice about the comment. Only because she's a native are the progressive set sobbing about 'racism'.

Why it's almost like context matters. "I don't understand why black people hate the 'n' word. I call white people that all the time and they don't care." Edited September 30, 2016 by cybercoma

[herples]

It is better to wait till the facts come in from the investigation.

[Cum Laude]

What a dummy. I'm even careful which posts I 'like' using my Facebook account. The world is a small place and I'm well aware that many of the people I do business with may not like my opinions. I'm even vague enough on this forum to not give away too much about myself.

If I were they type to assume the worst about someone's death just because of stereotypes about their culture, then yes, I would definitely not do it using my FB account.

Double that if I was a public servant.

Idiot.

Facebook is for losers. It's that simple.

[PIK]

She was on the news many times and was offered help , but always said no. As long as we have people like BC Chick, who is always deny there is a problem the problem will never be fixed. Natives has trouble with booze and drugs at this moment and when they can clear that up ,then it is only up from there. But to deny what is going on is pathetic.

[Rue]

What a dummy. I'm even careful which posts I 'like' using my Facebook account. The world is a small place and I'm well aware that many of the people I do business with may not like my opinions. I'm even vague enough on this forum to not give away too much about myself.

If I were they type to assume the worst about someone's death just because of stereotypes about their culture, then yes, I would definitely not do it using my FB account.

Double that if I was a public servant.

Idiot.

Got to agree with the Chick on this one. The officer doesn't have the luxury directly or indirectly of expressing personal opinions about

crimes.

Actually police codes prohibit this kind of behaviour.

Police are on a very short leash as to what they can comment on precisely because they are public figures that must safeguard an image of neutrality and not say anything that could intentionally or unintentionally undermine the ability to conduct a fair criminal investigation..

Edited September 30, 2016 by Rue

[BC_chick]

She was on the news many times and was offered help , but always said no. As long as we have people like BC Chick, who is always deny there is a problem the problem will never be fixed. Natives has trouble with booze and drugs at this moment and when they can clear that up ,then it is only up from there. But to deny what is going on is pathetic.

What are you talking about, I never denied the problems. Not one place on this thread did I even comment on my thoughts about FN communities.

[jacee]

She was an alcoholic street person. Is that post factual? The attitude of both police and media was that this was not exactly a shocker, and there was no sign of foul play, nor was foul play suspected. Re-opening the investigation was probably more a political thing to protect themselves from accusations that they treated the death too lightly because she was a native.

Robert Picton, serial killer, got away with murder for years ... because ...

"The attitude of both police and media was that this was not exactly a shocker ..."

So they didn't investigate.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/the-bias-against-an-inuit-artist/article32175861/

Too many native deaths and disappearances were ignored and trivialized for too long in Canada because of a blame-the-victim prejudice. Biased police officers cant be trusted to do their work properly its as simple as that. If you choose to ignore the specifics of the case in front of you because youre blinded by irrelevant preconceptions, youre simply not qualified for the job of policing.

I agree.

Racially biased police officers are

"Simply not qualified"

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Edited October 2, 2016 by jacee

[Argus]

Too many native deaths and disappearances were ignored and trivialized for too long in Canada because of a blame-the-victim prejudice.

There's no evidence this is true. The solution rate for native women's deaths is about the same as for that of other women. And when you have a population which is so heavily afflicted with drugs, alcoholism, family breakdown, poverty and crime, it's not exactly news that there will be more deaths and that it will be harder to solve those deaths and disappearances.

[jacee]

There's no evidence this is true.

You are a stranger to the truth by choice, Argus.

bias-against-picktons-victims-led-to-police-failures-indifference-inquiry/

Police made years of mistakes, inquiry into missing women finds

...

There was an institutional, systemic bias against the women. They were poor, they were aboriginal, they were drug addicted and they were not taken seriously.

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[WestCoastRunner]

You are a stranger to the truth by choice, Argus.

bias-against-picktons-victims-led-to-police-failures-indifference-inquiry/

Police made years of mistakes, inquiry into missing women finds

...

There was an institutional, systemic bias against the women. They were poor, they were aboriginal, they were drug addicted and they were not taken seriously.

.

Argus is sheltered from these atrocities by his self imposed ignorance.

[jacee]

Argus is sheltered from these atrocities by his self imposed ignorance.

And by the agenda that brings him to troll discussion boards.

Everybody's gotta earn a living, I guess.

At this point, I think trolling mlw 'for the cause' is supporting several people's income.

😊

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[WestCoastRunner]

And by the agenda that brings him to troll discussion boards.

Everybody's gotta earn a living, I guess.

At this point, I think trolling mlw 'for the cause' is supporting several people's income.

😊

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Anyone who is familiar with the Pickton case wouldn't have worded this OP the way it was presented. So, you may have a point

It's disgusting some of the thoughts that are expressed against FN, Muslims, Canadians wanting to talk American politics.

This OP is just another example.

[jacee]

Anyone who is familiar with the Pickton case wouldn't have worded this OP the way it was presented. So, you may have a point

It's disgusting some of the thoughts that are expressed against FN, Muslims, Canadians wanting to talk American politics.

This OP is just another example.

Yup.

But it's their job.

They're just trolling, baiting, schilling for somebody.

😊

Edited October 2, 2016 by jacee

[Michael Hardner]

Please stick to the topic and avoid personal comments.

[Argus]

There was an institutional, systemic bias against the women. They were poor, they were aboriginal, they were drug addicted and they were not taken seriously

So what? Police have limited resources, and are always going to focus less strongly on what happens between pimps, junkies, drug dealers and prostitutes than on crimes against regular people. Always have, always will. Nobody likes these people, and nobody wants much to do with them. I wouldn't say nobody cares about them, but the public certainly cares a great deal less about them than it does other people. The police know that.

Edited October 3, 2016 by Argus

[BC_chick]

So what? Police have limited resources, and are always going to focus less strongly on what happens between pimps, junkies, drug dealers and prostitutes than on crimes against regular people. Always have, always will. Nobody likes these people, and nobody wants much to do with them. I wouldn't say nobody cares about them, but the public certainly cares a great deal less about them than it does other people. The police know that.

And it's exactly that type of attitude that allows serial killers like Robert Pickton to get away with killing 50 women over the course of 2 decades.

But who cares, they were just low-end prostitutes, right? They did drugs and had sex for money. Why would anyone waste 'limited police resources' looking into their deaths.

[PIK]

We have sick people bent on killing no matter who or where you are. Native women because of their abusive lives and I mean abused by their own people are a easy target to someone as evil as the pig farmer was. The native community need to get with it and try to clean up what is killing them and quit sitting there blaming whitey for it. Addiction can be beaten, they just need to get on to that path. And we need a full audit of native affairs and if there is stealing going on ,it needs to be dealt with swiftly and the perps need to be dealt with harshly. I am all for getting a better life for my fellow Canadians ,but just handing money over to the chiefs will do nothing.

Edited October 3, 2016 by PIK

[Argus]

And it's exactly that type of attitude that allows serial killers like Robert Pickton to get away with killing 50 women over the course of 2 decades.

Not saying it's right. Saying it is. And always will be. We have way less cops than most other western countries, mostly because we pay them so much more. So resources have to be allocated carefully. Despite this the solution rate for the murder of native women is only slightly lower than that for others.

Edited October 4, 2016 by Argus

[WestCoastRunner]

Not saying it's right. Saying it is. And always will be. We have way less cops than most other western countries, mostly because we pay them so much more. So resources have to be allocated carefully. Despite this the solution rate for the murder of native women is only slightly lower than that for others.

You are wrong. The pickton inquiry came back with recommendations mostly involving social support for vulnerable women. If you had of researched the Pickton murders you would know this. And it isn't the way it will always be once all recommendations are implemented.

You are saying it's right by your shrugging of the shoulders and walking away from the issues.

[Argus]

You are wrong.

About what?