Because it's 2016

[DogOnPorch]

JT went to a mosque financed by this guy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yusuf_al-Qaradawi

There is no excuse.

The fellow wants to murder all the Jews...on record. Does Trudeau agree??

[Boges]

The fellow wants to murder all the Jews...on record. Does Trudeau agree??

No, clearly JT thinks that attending his service will make him not think all Jews should be murdered.

[Guest]

And treating those "powerful females" as second class citizens negates all that. It shows fundamentalists that the PM has no problem with how they conduct their business/faith. But I guess it buys votes.

Here is a leadership, parenting, teaching and coaching tip, you can't change minds by force. With enough force and leverage you can achieve the illusion of compliance, but in reality you really just create animosity, promote rebellion and the behaviour you sought to squash continues clandestinely.

How would it go if JT attempted to force gender equality on all Churches, Synagogues and Mosques? Would they admit the error of their ways and instantly embrace secular, humanist ethics? Or would they label him an enemy of their religion/god and create a tighter hold over their youth?

We have a PM who walks the walk on equality, who also respects the freedom of religion and differing cultures and customs. That kind of positivity and good example are what lead youth to expand their worldview. At the same time he is setting a good example for all Canadian youth that hatred towards Muslims is not acceptable no matter what your parents, grandparents or that old drunken uncle tell you.

As for buying votes, with maybe 3% of the population being Muslim, I'm fairly sure reaching out to Islamic communities costs him as many votes as it buys.

[Big Guy]

The OP focuses on how the PM treated a gender segregated religious service. I suggest the author had no idea of how many other religions, besides Islam, segregate genders during religious services.

My argument remains simple - racists will try to cherry pick and spin anything to try to give credence to their views.

[Smallc]

Who's saying these Muslims should be jailed? Your hyperbole kind of negates your argument.

JT went to a mosque financed by this guy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yusuf_al-Qaradawi

There is no excuse.

The fellow wants to murder all the Jews...on record. Does Trudeau agree??

In thinking this guy is saying that.

[Guest]

The OP focuses on how the PM treated a gender segregated religious service. I suggest the author had no idea of how many other religions, besides Islam, segregate genders during religious services.

My argument remains simple - racists will try to cherry pick and spin anything to try to give credence to their views.

Your argument is spot on here; which, is why defenders of the OP have already dropped the misogyny angle and moved on to other attacks. This thread is already useless and the conversation can be moved back to one of the other Islam is bad threads.

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[Boges]

We have a PM who walks the walk on equality, who also respects the freedom of religion and differing cultures and customs. That kind of positivity and good example are what lead youth to expand their worldview. At the same time he is setting a good example for all Canadian youth that hatred towards Muslims is not acceptable no matter what your parents, grandparents or that old drunken uncle tell you.

Clearly he doesn't if he affirms this type of misogyny. When confronted with fact that there are factions of Islam that has some pretty horrific views, the response is always that that's only a small percentage of Muslims that feel this way. And not the paint the entire faith with a broad brush.

JT could have found a Mosque that has more of the progressive views that we in Canada value. Instead he attends a Mosque that, not only segregates women, but is funded by people with terrorist tied.

It's was poor judgement IMHO.

Edited September 14, 2016 by Boges

[Boges]

The OP focuses on how the PM treated a gender segregated religious service. I suggest the author had no idea of how many other religions, besides Islam, segregate genders during religious services.

My argument remains simple - racists will try to cherry pick and spin anything to try to give credence to their views.

Would those other churches find the Prime Minister as a guest?

[DogOnPorch]

No, clearly JT thinks that attending his service will make him not think all Jews should be murdered.

That's what that mosque preaches.

[Big Guy]

Would those other churches find the Prime Minister as a guest?

Why not ask them?

[Boges]

Why not ask them?

It's a hypothetical question. But as said earlier, I'd imagine JT attending a church that had similar views to the WBC would be met with some serious hostility.

[msj]

Is that your theory?

Islam has existed since the 7th century AD as a violent misogynistic doctrine...but you feel it will spontaneously become pro-Western in Canada...eh?

Sure, and look at how far Christianity has come.

Christianity, too, has been deplorable.

Now? Almost all grown up - thanks to the enlightenment and fewer Canadians taking it seriously, of course.

Same can and will happen to Islam.

Trudeau is not Muslim and he doesn't think Jews should be killed so I am sure this is just more hyperbole along the same lines of "Obama is a Muslim from Kenya...." and will pass in time.

[msj]

Isn't there evidence that first generation Muslims are becoming more radicalized?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1540895/Young-British-Muslims-getting-more-radical.html

I'm more interested in 2nd and 3rd generation.

[DogOnPorch]

Sure, and look at how far Christianity has come.

Christianity, too, has been deplorable.

Now? Almost all grown up - thanks to the enlightenment and fewer Canadians taking it seriously, of course.

Same can and will happen to Islam.

Trudeau is not Muslim and he doesn't think Jews should be killed so I am sure this is just more hyperbole along the same lines of "Obama is a Muslim from Kenya...." and will pass in time.

And you and your kind will experiment with our future to find out if you're right....even though Europe failed.

[msj]

Oh what a grand experiment it is too!

Letting in the needy like we have never done before.

As if such policies were not criticized before on the basis of people coming from the "slavic" parts of Europe, and then it was their "yellow skin and slanty eyes" and now it is their religion - well, I suppose it has always been about the wrong religion even if one was Catholic or protestant depending on one's perspective (which tells us how stupid religion is).

People and their ideas change. Canada has become a liberal country thanks to people changing their values and ideas.

Sure we could change back to a religiously conservative type country - which would likely share more values with conservative Christians than with people like me.

But I doubt our PM visiting a mosque is a step down that slippery slope.

[DogOnPorch]

Daily you're proving you're the enemy.

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[PIK]

And when the Chinese official ripped a female reporter a new one ,with our fearless foreign minster Dion, just standing there doing nothing about it. That says a lot also. And did I read that all face book and twitter responses have to have a OK by the government?

[PIK]

Most Muslims I understand voted for trudeau ,so what was promised at those secret meetings trudeau held with them. Sharia law coming?? Ont tried to do that by adding sharia law to the family court and that guy that pushed it I think is a secretary to Dion

[Argus]

Equality is protected under the Constitution. So, unfortunately, is religious freedom.

That said, I find it strange that this is the place where conservatives draw the line when it comes to women's rights. Things like wage parity and even sexual assault aren't a big deal, but this.

Wage parity and sexual assault aren't a big deal? Since when? Citation, please. I know it's a habit of progressives to portray conservatives as evil but they rarely give any supporting evidence.

Or is this just another desperate attempt to blunt criticism of Islam's misogynist behaviour?

[msj]

Daily you're proving you're the enemy.

THIS MEANS WAR!!!

This is increasingly turning into a Mad Magazine.....

[DogOnPorch]

THIS MEANS WAR!!!

This is increasingly turning into a Mad Magazine.....

War is coming.

[Argus]

We could go into any church and cherry pick bad sermons.

Like that? I doubt it. If you found something like that in a church it would be in some tiny sect.

You can hear priests rail against lots of people they are not a friend to.

No you can't.

[msj]

Or is this just another desperate attempt to blunt criticism of Islam's misogynist behaviour?

Yes, because there are not already a nauseating amount of threads criticizing Islam on this forum now.

And so many people "defending" Islam too!

[msj]

No you can't.

This guy for one: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/category/steven-anderson/

At one time more Christians would have supported him than not.

In modern times, thanks to the enlightenment, not so much.

But all kinds of people believe in bad ideas - especially Christians, Jews, and Muslims.

Thank GAWD for secularism though.

[Boges]

This guy for one: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/category/steven-anderson/

At one time more Christians would have supported him than not.

In modern times, thanks to the enlightenment, not so much.

But all kinds of people believe in bad ideas - especially Christians, Jews, and Muslims.

Thank GAWD for secularism though.

When is JT visiting that church?