Goodbye, Energy East.

[overthere]

"All three Panel Members have decided to recuse themselves in order to preserve the integrity of the National Energy Board and of the Energy East and Eastern Mainline Review. The Members acted in good faith, and have pledged not to discuss these two applications with either other Board members or Board staff.

The Energy East and Eastern Mainline Hearing is adjourned until a new panel is appointed. Once a new panel is appointed, the review of the two project applications can and will proceed."

http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do?mthd=tp&crtr.page=1&nid=1122609&crtr.tp1D=1

Enbridge should just give up now. In spite of having spent years and hundreds of millions trying to satisfy the ever changing whims of Trudeau, it is now apparent that there is nothing they can say or do to get any projects approved and built in Canada. Luckily they just invested a massive amount in the United Sates, a clever move. Now, it is time for them to move their headquarters out of Calgary as well. The jobs are not wanted in this country.

The biggest lie here is that the application will proceed. There is no point in continuing, the game is rigged and Enbridge will give up.

Edited September 9, 2016 by overthere

[poochy]

I honestly don't think you can blame Trudeau for this. I feel that in the west our lives have become so easy that we are simply producing more and more infantile and impractical people, as a result it's becoming nearly impossible to run the country without pandering to them. This government, the way it got elected, the shallowness of its message and it's leader is just a reflection of the country, and it's only going to get worse. This is what people want right now, unserious fakery, for at least the next 7 years. But, maybe when our leadership has convinced the China's and India's of the world to deny their people the lives they want and everyone else has cut back on what they already have we can look back with that sickly Canadian smugness and congratulate ourselves for how good we are, how nice we are, for our leadership. I know I'm looking forward to it.

[SpankyMcFarland]

http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do?mthd=tp&crtr.page=1&nid=1122609&crtr.tp1D=1

Enbridge should just give up now. In spite of having spent years and hundreds of millions trying to satisfy the ever changing whims of Trudeau, it is now apparent that there is nothing they can say or do to get any projects approved and built in Canada.

How many years has Trudeau been PM?

[dialamah]

How many years has Trudeau been PM?

Many, in the TDS universe.

[SpankyMcFarland]

If pipelines were easy to organize in Canada, JT would have no work to do. Actually, they are up there major military purchases in being almost impossible at this point, not quite as hopeless as constitutional reform but not far off.

[?Impact]

In spite of having spent years and hundreds of millions trying to satisfy the ever changing whims of Trudeau,

How does Trudeau factor into this in the slightest 0.0000000000000000000001%? Which board member did he appoint? What legislation did he pass that has any bearing on this matter at all?

[Smallc]

Everyone remembers that Trudeau is a supporter of the Transmountain expansion, right?

[overthere]

How does Trudeau factor into this in the slightest 0.0000000000000000000001%? Which board member did he appoint? What legislation did he pass that has any bearing on this matter at all?

I already gave you a list of his actions since elected that delay pipelines. Pay attention.

I made an error in the OP, the company involved in Energy East is Trans Canada. Of course, the comments apply equally to Enbridge or TC- both have just made huge investments outside Canada, since they cannot make any new investments in Canada except to fund endless, pointless reviews by more and more layers of 'consultation' l

Everyone remembers that Trudeau is a supporter of the Transmountain expansion, right?

There is one born every minute. Every NEB decision ever made is now dead. The KInder Morgan(formerly Trans Mountain)expansion is now neatly set up to not be decided by this fall, as promised by Trudeau. Trudeau has now neatly avoided being oblged to render a Cabinet decision on the project already approved by the NEB.

Kinder Morgan is a privately owned US company.

Enbridge and Trans Canada are Canadian corps. They will be leaving the country, with their many tens of billions of doallrs of projects, and abandoning all their expansion plans in Canada. We can certainly expect that their HQ and thousands of jobs will join the stampede shortly.

Justin wins. We lose.

[?Impact]

I already gave you a list of his actions since elected that delay pipelines. Pay attention.

I already demonstrated the numerous problems with your list - pay attention. Additionally, items in your list were for the west coastal waterways, something that Energy East does not go anywhere near.

[Smallc]

I already gave you a list of his actions since elected that delay pipelines. Pay attention.

I made an error in the OP, the company involved in Energy East is Trans Canada. Of course, the comments apply equally to Enbridge or TC- both have just made huge investments outside Canada, since they cannot make any new investments in Canada except to fund endless, pointless reviews by more and more layers of 'consultation' l

There is one born every minute. Every NEB decision ever made is now dead. The KInder Morgan(formerly Trans Mountain)expansion is now neatly set up to not be decided by this fall, as promised by Trudeau.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/pipeline-transmountain-neb-recommendation-1.3589518

As far as I understand, it has nothing to do with the NEB at this point, but Cabinet.

[?Impact]

As far as I understand, it has nothing to do with the NEB at this point, but Cabinet.

Off topic, this is about Energy East.

Yes, Trans Mountain is awaiting Governor in Council approval (essentially Cabinet). It appears it will be given. Note that there are still the 157 conditions that KinderMorgan must meet.

[Smallc]

Off topic, this is about Energy East.

Yes, Trans Mountain is awaiting Governor in Council approval (essentially Cabinet). It appears it will be given. Note that there are still the 157 conditions that KinderMorgan must meet.

It's not really off topic if we're debating Trudeau's position on pipelines and we don't happen to share the doom.

[bush_cheney2004]

It's not really off topic if we're debating Trudeau's position on pipelines and we don't happen to share the doom.

That's because Trudeau is still hoping to build another pipeline across the U.S. border instead. Ex-campaign co-chair cronies like Dan Gagnier are still trying to work pipeline magic.

[?Impact]

That's because Trudeau is still hoping to build another pipeline across the U.S. border instead.

I don't agree with the 'instead' part. I think pipeline to tidewater within Canada is a serious priority. Yes, pipeline to US markets, and maybe even tidewater through the US is important, but secondary.

[SpankyMcFarland]

Justin wins. We lose.

Isn't this more of a general Canadian problem, though, rather then down to one man?

[PIK]

Energy east will be done. It is time for the government to show some strong leadership and just do it. I for one am sick of a small minority of people holding this country back.

[Benz]

I do not understand why that industry does not feel the need to provide better security to the population. There has been so many leaks and fails with the current pipelines. It is very dangerous to break and the risk is very high compared to what it is worth for the people who will have it in their yard.

Edited September 12, 2016 by Benz

[PIK]

I live 2 miles from that pipeline and there has never been a problem around here. People that think oil is going away, have no clue. We need it and it is a lot safer then trucks and trains.

[Smallc]

I live 2 miles from that pipeline and there has never been a problem around here.

then you're in the minority.

[PIK]

There will be problems,it is natural. But you cant just say no because of what could happen. Leaks can be cleaned up ,but derailments are a different creature.

[dialamah]

I live 2 miles from that pipeline and there has never been a problem around here.

Yeah, and people inject drugs for years "without a problem". Then one day, there is a problem. Sometimes they survive and sometimes they do not. That there isn't a problem around your house doesn't mean there are no problems ever, anywhere.

[?Impact]

Energy east will be done. It is time for the government to show some strong leadership and just do it. I for one am sick of a small minority of people holding this country back.

So the government should ignore the processes it set up, like the NEB, and just dictate what happens? Nope, we got rid of the dictator.

[The_Squid]

http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do?mthd=tp&crtr.page=1&nid=1122609&crtr.tp1D=1

Enbridge should just give up now. In spite of having spent years and hundreds of millions trying to satisfy the ever changing whims of Trudeau, it is now apparent that there is nothing they can say or do to get any projects approved and built in Canada. Luckily they just invested a massive amount in the United Sates, a clever move. Now, it is time for them to move their headquarters out of Calgary as well. The jobs are not wanted in this country.

The biggest lie here is that the application will proceed. There is no point in continuing, the game is rigged and Enbridge will give up.

It turns out that they resigned because they had meetings with lobbyists for the pipeline and didn't disclose this fact!!

Gee... A bit of bias???

They probably stepped down before the government could get rid of them!

Edited September 13, 2016 by The_Squid

[TimG]

It turns out that they resigned because they had meetings with lobbyists for the pipeline and didn't disclose this fact!!

They had meetings with environmental lobbyists too but that does not count as "bias" because environmentalists are shameless hypocrites.

They probably stepped down before the government could get rid of them!

The stepped down because hypocritical environs would have kept whining and they did not want to distract the inquiry.

[The_Squid]

They had meetings with environmental lobbyists too but that does not count as "bias" because environmentalists are shameless hypocrites.

Please show where the NEB met with other groups behind closed doors with no minutes kept. They said the meeting never happened... They lied about it.

The stepped down because hypocritical environs would have kept whining and they did not want to distract the inquiry.

Nope. They stepped down because they lied about a secret meeting with pipeline lobbyists. No other reason.

Nice try TimG... Don't just make up stories...