Police officers threaten to boycott 49ers over Kaepernick protest

[bush_cheney2004]

...Black on black crime does not play any role in the subject of police brutality, they are very distinct yet separate problems. You constantly bring up the issue to deflect every thread on police brutality.

This is false, of course, because "black on black crime" and the directly related higher crime rates (violent and otherwise) in "black communities" leads to an increased police presence, traffic stops, arrests, resisting arrest, fleeing suspects, shootings, etc. Police officers are more likely to take a felony arrest stance in predominantly black neighbourhoods because of the real and perceived threat.

[The_Squid]

It would be tough to like the anthem when the anthem has an unsung 3rd verse that celebrates the death of slaves who fought for the British to win their freedom.

[overthere]

Everybody at football games is there voluntarily, all are paid to attend except the fans. The player has a constitutional right not to stand during the anthem, and the cops are working extra hours for extra pay to provide armed security. Their choices are personal.

Kaerpernick was ranked about 26th as a QB in the NFL last year, so if he gets fired everybody will have a legit excuse and something to argue about in the inevitable lawsuits.

[Derek 2.0]

I'm surprised 49ers fans didn't boycott the team........last year. Kaepernick is a bum and shouldn't be playing in the league.....forget about his protest......And I don't blame police one bit, their own protest.......the difference, they are out their overtime, Kapernick isn't out of anything (until his contract is up).

[?Impact]

If there is a civil disturbance and the police are called, then they should show up. I expect the boycott action is about paid duty (ie. on their own time) officers providing security services for the facility. If they had signed some contract to provide services, then there could be a civil action lawsuit they will have to answer to. Police, like any other group, have the right to protest as long as it does not interfere with their sworn duties.

Edited September 4, 2016 by ?Impact

[Argus]

Funny how you can say this, but then deny that your own rhetoric against people from Muslim countries contributes to anti-Islamic paranoia and resentment.

What have I said about Muslims which is untrue? I'm quoting from their own religious books, bearing in mind whether their current behaviour shows they are following through on those social behaviour laws and rules, and pointing out how those social laws and customs are inimical to Canada's own. All true. The BLM crowd, meanwhile, suggest police are deliberately murdering Black men out of racist hatred, and that the black community is 'under siege', or variously 'at war' with the police.

[Argus]

Argus, I could've predicted you would come with the black on black crime argument, so thank you for not letting me down.

Why shouldn't I? This guy and the BLM movement are complaining about the occasional case of police killing Black men without just cause while blithely ignoring the massive black on black violence in their own communities.

Black on black crime does not play any role in the subject of police brutality, they are very distinct yet separate problems.

Are you for real? The high black crime rate is the reason why police are far and away more likely to be interviewing, arresting, and thus coming into violent contact with Black people, mostly young black men. I've posted stats from the NYC police showing that over 90% of shootings in the city involve black suspects, and over 90% of the guns they seize they take from Blacks. More than 80% of robberies have Black suspects, too.

So one quarter of police killings are black men? How is that due to anything OTHER than Black crime?

As for the police boycotting this stadium. If the job of patrolling it is voluntary, that is, a paid duty assignment, then they have a perfect right to boycott it.

[TimG]

So one quarter of police killings are black men? How is that due to anything OTHER than Black crime?

Let's say the police cut shootings by 90% because of better training but because of black crime the percentage of the much smaller number stays the same. You can bet that BLM and other irrational SJWs will still talk about 'racist' cops instead of praising the cops for the huge improvements. Given the prevalence of black crime the only way the police could change the ratio of black men shot is to stop investigating crimes if a black suspect is involved or by shooting a disproportionate number of white suspects (if they did that the cops really would be racist: against white people). Edited September 5, 2016 by TimG

[msj]

Now it is Seattle Reign soccer star Megan Rapinoe who has taken a kneel during the national anthem.

She's white but gay so would have first hand experience of living in a society where you used to not get all the legal benefits of the regular folks and also still has to deal with the day to day experience of people calling her a dyke and other such names.

She said it is a nod to Kapernick.

On the one hand I hope this spreads and more players in various leagues kneel as a protest against specific actions and a specific culture that requires change.

On the other hand I don't want this to become an election issue. Fine for Trump to run with it - he needs it.

But Hilary should keep her mouth shut on it to not allow this to deflect from her becoming president.

It's small things like this that can grab the imagination of many voters who get so emotional as they wrap themselves in the flag that they just might vote for a guy like Trump.

Although, I don't mind that happening as the US has it coming. The amount of graft he would do would be epic to watch but that's for another thread.....

Edited September 5, 2016 by msj

[Argus]

Now it is Seattle Reign soccer star Megan Rapinoe who has taken a kneel during the national anthem.

She's white but gay so would have first hand experience of living in a society where you used to not get all the legal benefits of the regular folks and also still has to deal with the day to day experience of people calling her a dyke and other such names.

Yeah, because the gay community is so disempowered and impoverished. No one will sell them homes or rent rooms to them or hire them. Poor things.

[Big Guy]

The flag is a symbol as is the sitting down during the playing of the national anthem a symbol. Symbols are difficult because it leaves a lot to those attempting to decipher the symbolism.

So a mediocre football player decides for the first time in his major league life to draw attention to his opinion - using the great American past time guaranteed media cover. So Kapernick thinks the police are too violent against blacks or something like that. So who cares what he thinks. I would be more sympathetic if he declared that he would give $100,000 from his salary towards black organizations every time the decides to sit or kneel. I would watch that.

I do not care what Brady thinks about the political climate in Venezuela nor what Manning thinks of refugee income in the Southern States when the Patriots are playing the Giants. I care how well they play when I have $100 on the game and giving up 8 points to New York.

I believe some of these guys get so high on themselves that they believe somehow that theirs views make a difference to anybody.

Still waiting for Trump to stay seated during a rendition of America to protest the 4 game suspension given to Brady.

BTW - how much of his salary is Kapernick donating to black causes - if he makes the team?

[msj]

The flag is a symbol as is the sitting down during the playing of the national anthem a symbol. Symbols are difficult because it leaves a lot to those attempting to decipher the symbolism.

So a mediocre football player decides for the first time in his major league life to draw attention to his opinion - using the great American past time guaranteed media cover. So Kapernick thinks the police are too violent against blacks or something like that. So who cares what he thinks. I would be more sympathetic if he declared that he would give $100,000 from his salary towards black organizations every time the decides to sit or kneel. I would watch that.

He has indicated he is donating $1 million to the cause.

So how's that for sympathy? Good enough for you yet?

I do not care what Brady thinks about the political climate in Venezuela nor what Manning thinks of refugee income in the Southern States when the Patriots are playing the Giants. I care how well they play when I have $100 on the game and giving up 8 points to New York.

I believe some of these guys get so high on themselves that they believe somehow that theirs views make a difference to anybody.

If you don't care then why are you discussing it? Odd.

Kaepernick Is giving $1million and has brought national attention to this issue once again.

May I ask what have you done about this issue?

And keep in mind he was not standing, unnoticed, until someone did notice in the third preseason game.

As for other people who do care about this issue here is an interesting transcript that provides more depth of his views: http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2016/08/28/colin-kaepernick-anthem-protest-much-much/

Read all the way to the bottom to see what he thinks of Trump and Hilary.

As usual, when you read the words of the person in question you sometimes are pleasantly surprised that they do have an interesting opinion on the matter whether you agree with them or not.

You also find that the media, those who are against Kaepernick, and, worse, those who claim to be not interested, spin the hell out of words and actions that defy all logic and common sense once you do find out the facts.

Edited September 6, 2016 by msj

[Argus]

Kaepernick Is giving $1million and has brought national attention to this issue once again.

What issue? That Black men are killed by police in lower numbers than their predilection for street crime would suggest they ought to be?

I mean, almost as many Hispanics were killed by cops and they commit way less crime than Blacks.

[Smoke]

Let's do away with anthems all together. I hate having to listen to them at every damn sports event I watch.

[Boges]

All the more evidence that Police are thin-skinned. If we, in the public, don't worship the job they do, they get all pissy and decide to want to withdraw the duties the taxpayer generously compensates them to do.

As for Kaepernick, dude can't beat Blaine Gabbert on the depth chart, this is a ploy to get him attention.

Edited September 6, 2016 by Boges

[Argus]

All the more evidence that Police are thin-skinned. If we, in the public, don't worship the job they do, they get all pissy and decide to want to withdraw the duties the taxpayer generously compensates them to do.

As for Kaepernick, dude can't beat Blaine Gabbert on the depth chart, this is a ploy to get him attention.

Why would any group, police or others, shrug off being demonized as murderers and racists? Yes, they are generously compensated in Canada, generally less so in the United States, but this is voluntary paid extra duty.

As for Kaepernick, if I were the owner he'd be gone by now. He has forgotten, as sports figures often do, that the job of he and his employer is to entertain people. Public relations is extremely important to sports teams, and anything that pisses off the fans is not good for ticket sales. San Fransisco is pretty laid back, but even so, a lot of people will be ticked off at this, and I bet he gets booed in his home stadium if he ever gets on the field. Not to mention that creating tension between whites and blacks in the locker room is unhelpful to team cohesion.

[Boges]

Why would any group, police or others, shrug off being demonized as murderers and racists? Yes, they are generously compensated in Canada, generally less so in the United States, but this is voluntary paid extra duty.

As for Kaepernick, if I were the owner he'd be gone by now. He has forgotten, as sports figures often do, that the job of he and his employer is to entertain people. Public relations is extremely important to sports teams, and anything that pisses off the fans is not good for ticket sales. San Fransisco is pretty laid back, but even so, a lot of people will be ticked off at this, and I bet he gets booed in his home stadium if he ever gets on the field. Not to mention that creating tension between whites and blacks in the locker room is unhelpful to team cohesion.

I'm sure they'd be more pissed off that their team sucks now. If Kaepernick was a starter, it wouldn't be nearly as controversial because people wouldn't care if he helped them win like he did 4 years ago.

Edited September 6, 2016 by Boges

[cybercoma]

Yeah, because the gay community is so disempowered and impoverished. No one will sell them homes or rent rooms to them or hire them. Poor things.

This is a completely tone-deaf response. If you don't think gay people face discrimination and other challenges that straight people don't have then you're simply blind. It was literally illegal to be gay for many people alive today. The RCMP had a device called a Fruit Machine. Go ahead and read about that. Immigrants weren't allowed to be gay until some 35 years ago or so. The House of Commons rejected adding sexual orientation to the Canadian Human Rights Act in 1980. Svend Robinson tried to get it passed again in '83, '85, '86, '89, and '91. Until it became part of the Canadian Human Rights Act it was legal to discriminate against people for being gay. As recently as the 1990s people were still being fired from their jobs for being gay. That case wasn't settled by the SCC until less than 20 years ago in 1998. Gay people couldn't serve in the Canadian military until 1992. Sexual orientation didn't become part of the Canadian Human Rights Act until 1996. In 2002, a gay student had to go to court to be able to bring his boyfriend to prom. In 2003, Stephen Harper had to fire his family issues critic because he publicly went on record to say same-sex marriages should be outlawed, as Canada was moving to legalize them. It was 2005 before gay people were legally able to marry anywhere in the country, even then 133 MPs voted against it. Even so, in 2008 hate crimes against gay people were on the rise. Ever have someone beat the shit out of you in the street for being straight? In 2013, there was a story of a gay man denied a place to live because of his sexual orientation. This is just one isolated incident of which there are certainly others that did not make it to the news circuit.

So please....tell me again how gay people are so empowered in our society that has systematically and routinely discriminated against them right up until this day. Gay people have fought for decades for the rights that they have today, rights that are constantly violated, rights that straight people take for granted because no one has ever been denied housing, a job, or a marriage for being straight. Nobody was every locked up in mental institutions and given shock therapy for being straight. Your sarcastic implied argument here is not just wrong, it's completely ignorant to the problems faced by gay people, but then what should I expect from someone who's completely blind and unwilling to understand others' experiences. You see gay people fighting to have the same legal rights as straight people and suddenly that makes you think they're so empowered. Maybe that should be a clue to you that they're actually treated very differently from straight people. Hell, there's idiots that still think homosexuals are pedophiles. There's people who say, "I believe in gay marriage but they shouldn't be able to adopt." There's people who say, "I don't care if people are gay but don't hold hands in public. That's gross." Have you ever had someone say it was gross to see you holding your wife's hand? Seriously....wake the hell up.

[Bob Macadoo]

As for Kaepernick, if I were the owner he'd be gone by now. He has forgotten, as sports figures often do, that the job of he and his employer is to entertain people. Public relations is extremely important to sports teams, and anything that pisses off the fans is not good for ticket sales. San Fransisco is pretty laid back, but even so, a lot of people will be ticked off at this, and I bet he gets booed in his home stadium if he ever gets on the field. Not to mention that creating tension between whites and blacks in the locker room is unhelpful to team cohesion.

Funny enough what's the #1 selling jersey.....bigger than Brady you say.....yep I say. Well I guess its just bad business though.

[TimG]

Funny enough what's the #1 selling jersey.....bigger than Brady you say.....yep I say. Well I guess its just bad business though.

You mean 0.5% of the jerseys have Kaepernick's name compared to 99.5% for all other jerseys? The numbers that matter are the local market and how many of the jersey purchases turn into ticket buyers. Edited September 7, 2016 by TimG

[Boges]

Funny enough what's the #1 selling jersey.....bigger than Brady you say.....yep I say. Well I guess its just bad business though.

Not because he's good or anything. Tim Tebow had healthy jersey sales too.

Edited September 7, 2016 by Boges

[BC_chick]

Why shouldn't I? This guy and the BLM movement are complaining about the occasional case of police killing Black men without just cause while blithely ignoring the massive black on black violence in their own communities.

Are you for real? The high black crime rate is the reason why police are far and away more likely to be interviewing, arresting, and thus coming into violent contact with Black people, mostly young black men. I've posted stats from the NYC police showing that over 90% of shootings in the city involve black suspects, and over 90% of the guns they seize they take from Blacks. More than 80% of robberies have Black suspects, too.

So one quarter of police killings are black men? How is that due to anything OTHER than Black crime?

As for the police boycotting this stadium. If the job of patrolling it is voluntary, that is, a paid duty assignment, then they have a perfect right to boycott it.

Again, you keep talking about Black on Black crime. I said it before, but I'll say it again. It sounds like "But blacks kill blacks, why can't cops kill them too?".

And how do you know it's voluntary? I have tried looking into it, and I can't find anything.

If it's not voluntary, do you agree that it's a butt-hurt hissyfit?

[TimG]

Again, you keep talking about Black on Black crime. I said it before, but I'll say it again. It sounds like "But blacks kill blacks, why can't cops kill them too?".

You seem to be missing the entire point.

The number of times the police interact with suspects is a function of the number of times they are involved in crimes.

When police interact with suspects there is a chance that an incident will turn into a shooting.

Therefore, if a particular group is disproportionately involved in crime then they will be disproportionately be the victim of police shootings. You cannot separate one from the other.

Lets use some example numbers to illustrate the point.

Lets say there are 1,000,000 interactions with police and 100 result in a shooting.

If blacks are the perpetrators of 50% of the crime we would expect 50 of those shootings to be black suspects.

If the police get better training and reduce those 100 shootings to 10.

We would expect to 5 of those shootings to be black suspects if the crime stats stay the same.

IOW, the ratio of blacks vs whites killed is NOT a function of police or police training.

The ratio is a function of black crime rates.

You can't ignore the black crime rate when discussing police shootings as long as the focus is on the ratio.

Edited September 7, 2016 by TimG

[BC_chick]

BS. Argus brings up the black on black crime when videos come out with cops shooting unarmed black people. It sounds to me very much like "well they do it, why so up in arms when cops do".

[TimG]

BS.

The type of irrational response I come to expect from SJW zealots. I presented a rational argument for why black crime rates matter if one is complaining about the ratio of black shootings.

If one is only concerned about police shootings then race does not matter (i.e. all lives matter).

Which is it? Are you concerned about the ratio of blacks killed by police or just the number of people killed by police?

Edited September 7, 2016 by TimG