Should Canada screen potential immigrants/refugees for Canadian Values

[cybercoma]

Good for you.

Halal Certification is merely another invention of zee evil DogOnPorch to make zee Mooselims look baaaaad.

Where the hell did I ever deny that things are certified halal? I swear to god, it's like you intentional misrepresent the things people say to get a rise out of them. Good thing Charles has absolutely no idea what trolling actually is, eh?

[DogOnPorch]

Where the hell did I ever deny that things are certified halal? I swear to god, it's like you intentional misrepresent the things people say to get a rise out of them. Good thing Charles has absolutely no idea what trolling actually is, eh?

Make-up your mind. I live in a smaller city that has two major food chains supplied by two major food suppliers that both employ Halal Certification. You think I actually have a choice? Think again. A certain amount of my dollars are going to Islam due to various products being certified. Period. There isn't a Halal...non-Halal section.

[The_Squid]

Make-up your mind. I live in a smaller city that has two major food chains supplied by two major food suppliers that both employ Halal Certification. You think I actually have a choice? Think again. A certain amount of my dollars are going to Islam due to various products being certified. Period. There isn't a Halal...non-Halal section.

ALL Muslims are evil.

ALL meat in my town is Halal.

I doubt either of these things are true.

Edited September 15, 2016 by The_Squid

[DogOnPorch]

ALL Muslims are evil.

ALL meat in my town is Halal.

I doubt either of these things are true.

I guess you don't have a significant Muslim population on the Island.

[DogOnPorch]

As for meat: that's a red herring...heh.

These are the same old products as ever....just they've passed through Halal Certification...ie safe for Muslims to use/consume.

And to connect it to the other discussions: perhaps this can be viewed as a push against our values by Islam via rather insidious means. If you're being taxed by a religion without your knowledge or consent. Have you checked your supermarket? Do you know...or just think you know?

Edited September 15, 2016 by DogOnPorch

[The_Squid]

I guess you don't have a significant Muslim population on the Island.

I doubt very much that they're true in your town either.

[DogOnPorch]

I doubt very much that they're true in your town either.

Guess again.

[Peter F]

As for meat: that's a red herring...heh.

These are the same old products as ever....just they've passed through Halal Certification...ie safe for Muslims to use/consume.

And to connect it to the other discussions: perhaps this can be viewed as a push against our values by Islam via rather insidious means. If you're being taxed by a religion without your knowledge or consent. Have you checked your supermarket? Do you know...or just think you know?

Religion is not taxing you. Not one cent is going to the mosque or muslims or Fatah. Any extra charge (if there is one) is going straight into the companies pocket. It is not a muslims fault that the company charges you more for halal food.

If you still consider it a religious tax - then stop buying halal and stop paying the (to your mind) religious tax.

The only reason you continue to pay this (to your mind) religious tax is because it is convenient for you to do so.

Such is the depth of your animosity to religious tax.

[Machjo]

I hope they make poutine part of the values test. That and maple syrup. If you say you don't like those, we feed you to the sharks.

Hockey and Tim Horton's should be included on the values test too. To make sure they're not lying on the Tim Horton's question, we can measure their height and weight. If not overweight, suspicious.

[Machjo]

On a more serious note. I'm vegan, so don't eat meat. If I did eat meat, I'd prefer halal. The method used to slaughter halal meat causes less pain than traditional methods as it drains the brain of blood more quickly. That has to do with science, compassion, and my values, nothing to do with Islám.

[BC_chick]

On a more serious note. I'm vegan, so don't eat meat.

Neither do I and I find it ridiculous every time I see people get upset over these things.

FFS, this is coming from people who eat animals, wear them and use products that were first tested on tortured animals.

Give me a break with the moral high ground.

[BC_chick]

Oh no... and in China they eat dog!!! The horror.

[Guest]

If one excuses excessive cruelty to animals by religion because of the lesser cruelty we indulge in when we eat meat, is that the same as saying it's okay to throw gay people off a roof because we won't bake them a wedding cake?

General we, of course. I'd bake them a cake.

Or is it different because it's animals?

Edited September 16, 2016 by bcsapper

[BC_chick]

Are you seriously saying the way we treat animals is on par with not baking cakes for gays?

Watch a video or two about the realities of factory farming and dairy industry. Read up a bit about animal-testing.

We are awful!

[Guest]

Are you seriously saying the way we treat animals is on par with not baking cakes for gays?

Watch a video or two about the realities of factory farming and dairy industry. Read up a bit about animal-testing.

We are awful!

Are you seriously saying you misunderstood what I was saying?

[BC_chick]

You compared throwing gays off a building (extreme) to us not making cakes for them (benign).

That was a false equivalent based on your own ethnocentrism..

[Guest]

You compared throwing gays off a building (extreme) to us not making cakes for them (benign).

That was a false equivalent based on your own ethnocentrism..

My point was, should religious accommodation allow people to do worse things than they normally might under the current cultural practices where they live?

Now, full disclosure here. I don't like animal cruelty, so I haven't watched your video, nor DoP's of the Eid slaughter. I'm assuming one is worse than the other based on the banter alone. If it is your contention that the way we treat animals in our system is as cruel as the Halal system, then I have no argument with you. If you think it is worse, why should we allow that religious accommodation?

Edit> My ethnocentrism is pretty benign. I just assume that all the things about my culture that are better than other cultures, are better than other cultures.

Edited September 16, 2016 by bcsapper

[jacee]

Why can't we hold them equally dear?

I think freedom of religion also implies freedom from religion is a choice.

I want freedom from the strange people who came to my door with cookies and a message about Satan.

Lol

[DogOnPorch]

Religion is not taxing you. Not one cent is going to the mosque or muslims or Fatah. Any extra charge (if there is one) is going straight into the companies pocket. It is not a muslims fault that the company charges you more for halal food.

If you still consider it a religious tax - then stop buying halal and stop paying the (to your mind) religious tax.

The only reason you continue to pay this (to your mind) religious tax is because it is convenient for you to do so.

Such is the depth of your animosity to religious tax.

Stop buying food: I'll take that under advisement.

[cybercoma]

Stop buying food: I'll take that under advisement.

Buying halal food doesn't impose religion on you no matter how much you whine about it. I bought kosher salt. Am I suddenly a zionist oppressor of Palestine or something?

This halal argument is incredibly stupid. Even posters who support most of what you say have said as much.

[DogOnPorch]

Buying halal food doesn't impose religion on you no matter how much you whine about it. I bought kosher salt. Am I suddenly a zionist oppressor of Palestine or something?

This halal argument is incredibly stupid. Even posters who support most of what you say have said as much.

Did you buy it in the Kosher Food section? Was it labeled 'Kosher'?

No such thing happens in Halal Certification. It is done at a warehouse...not your grocery store. It's still the same package of spaghetti pasta...just the price is a little higher than before.

[cybercoma]

The secret Halal Cabal, driving up the prices of EVERYTHING!

Paranoid delusions.

[DogOnPorch]

The secret Halal Cabal, driving up the prices of EVERYTHING!

Paranoid delusions.

Some websites I made in my spare time...

http://www.isnahalal.ca/index.html

http://hmacanada.org/

A CBC news story I wrote then slipped into the mix.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/halal-certification-1.3519910

The irony...

http://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/6a01156fb0b420970c017d425c24db970c-500wi.jpg

[dialamah]

My point was, should religious accommodation allow people to do worse things than they normally might under the current cultural practices where they live?

If you mean illegal things, then obviously no. If you mean things that aren't illegal, but aren't 'progressive', then yes. We already allow it for quite a few fundamental Christian groups. Those groups are growing smaller or dropping their 'bad' habits, and I think the fact that they aren't confronted about what they do helps in that. People who feel like it's "us" against "them" tend to dig in. I think the same thing would happen with Muslims in Canada, over time.

[DogOnPorch]

If you mean illegal things, then obviously no. If you mean things that aren't illegal, but aren't 'progressive', then yes. We already allow it for quite a few fundamental Christian groups. Those groups are growing smaller or dropping their 'bad' habits, and I think the fact that they aren't confronted about what they do helps in that. People who feel like it's "us" against "them" tend to dig in. I think the same thing would happen with Muslims in Canada, over time.

Like over in Europe? That's a Muslim success story. Let me guess...it was somehow Europe's fault re: how they treat Muslims that make some places Rape Capitals.

Edited September 16, 2016 by DogOnPorch