Should Canada screen potential immigrants/refugees for Canadian Values

[Guest]

So how would transgender people fit into this? Would being opposed to gender neutral washrooms or opposed to allowing transgender people to use whichever washroom they prefer be grounds for not being allowed in this country?

Being opposed to anything should never be grounds for anything. Being opposed to gender neutral washrooms, abortion on demand, gay marriage, religious freedom, freedom of speech, burkas, burkinis, freedom of expression, etc and ad nauseum should never be grounds for being treated any differently. Acting on any of those, however, would be a different matter.

Edited September 11, 2016 by bcsapper

[Peter F]

So, I can imagine who will oppose this, but seriously, if ppl are coming to Canada, should their affirming they wo t honour kill or such not be that bad a thing to ask?

http://www.torontosun.com/2016/09/10/as-anti-canadian-as-four-drowned-bodies-in-a-car

Citizenship oath:

" I swear (or affirm) that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada, Her Heirs and Successors, and that I will faithfully observe the laws of Canada and fulfill my duties as a Canadian citizen."

[DogOnPorch]

Citizenship oath:

" I swear (or affirm) that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada, Her Heirs and Successors, and that I will faithfully observe the laws of Canada and fulfill my duties as a Canadian citizen."

Human law.

[Peter F]

Maritime law?

[Guest]

Non-Muslims are forbidden. Try that here.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/Christian_Bypass.jpg

I know. Disgusting bigotry of the worst kind.

[DogOnPorch]

Maritime law?

Sharia Law trumps Human Law for Muslims unless it is advantageous for the spread of Islam to follow said human law.

[dialamah]

This topic seems remarkably familiar.

[DogOnPorch]

I know. Disgusting bigotry of the worst kind.

It will be ignored.

[Guest]

This topic seems remarkably familiar.

It'll probably be merged.

[The_Squid]

What are the questions we currently ask, and what do we currently tell potential immigrants?

You should start from there (an informed position) and we can then have a conversation.

[Michael Hardner]

It'll probably be merged.

Yes, thank you.

[Big Guy]

Simple questions on Canadian values and laws:

Do you believe in gay marriage (even if you are Catholic)? If "NO" then obviously you should be denied entry.

Do you believe in capital punishment? If "YES" then obviously you should be denied entry.

Do you believe in Euthanasia? If "YES" then obviously you should be denied entry.

Do you believe that women should cover their hair and not wear pants (like Orthodox Jews)? If "YES" then obviously you should be denied entry.

Do you believe that torture should be used to obtain information from enemies? If "YES" then obviously you should be denied entry.

Even a better idea - ask every Canadian the same questions and send all the ones who got at least one question "wrong" back to the land of their ancestors (all except aboriginals who belong here).

Then we will have lots and lots of room for immigrants who get those answers "right".

[?Impact]

Does anyone have the numbers of immigrants coming in each year in Canada?

Somewhere around 300,000. It has been that was since Mulroney tripled the amount back in the 80's.

[Argus]

Simple questions on Canadian values and laws:

But they have to be Canadian values, not YOUR values. YOUR values do not accurately represent Canadian values. This is fairly clear given the polling posted earlier.

[dialamah]

But they have to be Canadian values, not YOUR values. YOUR values do not accurately represent Canadian values. This is fairly clear given the polling posted earlier.

How do they not represent Canadian values?

Maybe we need a referendum on Canadian Values. How would that look?

[Smallc]

But they have to be Canadian values, not YOUR values.

Many of those ARE Canadians values, in that they're explicitly or implicitly mentioned as protected in the Constitution.

What you really mean is that you want them to test for your values.

[Argus]

Many of those ARE Canadians values, in that they're explicitly or implicitly mentioned as protected in the Constitution

NONE of them are mentioned in the constitution, but thanks for making it obvious you've never read the bloody thing.

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[Argus]

How do they not represent Canadian values?

Progressives seem to believe THEIR values are EVERYONE's values. There's a massive arrogance there, and a total contempt for differing opinions which I've noted before.

In fact, the above aren't even values. They're political positions. But again, you clearly don't understand the difference. This is why you're so out of step with the Canadian mainstream.

[Smallc]

NONE of them are mentioned in the constitution, but thanks for making it obvious you've never read the bloody thing.

Equal treatment before and under the law, and equal protection and benefit of the law without discrimination.

The right to life, liberty, and security of the person.

The right not to be subject to cruel and unusual punishment.

Maybe you should give it a read?

If we're going by polls, I doubt you'd be happy with what people would come up with:

http://globalnews.ca/news/1424367/charter-universal-health-care-top-canadian-unity-poll/

Bilingualism, multiculturalism, pluralism - these are all long held Canadian values. These three things are either explicitly mentioned (the first two) or implied (the foundations of pluralism are mentioned throughout the Charter) in our constitutional documents (both major ones in 1867 an 1982.

Progressives seem to believe THEIR values are EVERYONE's values.

Pot, meet kettle.

Edited September 11, 2016 by Smallc

[dialamah]

This is why you're so out of step with the Canadian mainstream.

I'm out of step? Yet you are the one not happy with Canada's current governance, and complain constantly about how the progressives are ruining everything.

[Big Guy]

Not Canadian Values?

Simple questions on Canadian values and laws:

Do you believe in gay marriage (even if you are Catholic)? If "NO" then obviously you should be denied entry.

Gay marriage is protected by law - anything in Canadian law is Canadian values.

Do you believe in capital punishment? If "YES" then obviously you should be denied entry.
Capital Punishment is prohibited by Canadian law - anything in Canadian law is Canadian values.

Do you believe in Euthanasia? If "YES" then obviously you should be denied entry.

Euthanasia is prohibited by Canadian law - anything in Canadian law is Canadian values.

Do you believe that women should cover their hair and not wear pants (like Orthodox Jews)? If "YES" then obviously you should be denied entry.

The way female Orthodox Jews dress is protected by Canadian law - anything in Canadian law is Canadian values.

Do you believe that torture should be used to obtain information from enemies? If "YES" then obviously you should be denied entry.

Torture is prohibited by Canadian law - anything in Canadian law is Canadian values.

I submit that anything in Canadian law reflects Canadian values - if you do not then you have a problem - or you might be a racist.

Edited September 12, 2016 by Big Guy

[Guest]

Not Canadian Values?

Simple questions on Canadian values and laws:

Do you believe in gay marriage (even if you are Catholic)? If "NO" then obviously you should be denied entry.

Gay marriage is protected by law - anything in Canadian law is Canadian values.

Do you believe in capital punishment? If "YES" then obviously you should be denied entry.

Capital Punishment is prohibited by Canadian law - anything in Canadian law is Canadian values.

Do you believe in Euthanasia? If "YES" then obviously you should be denied entry.

Euthanasia is prohibited by Canadian law - anything in Canadian law is Canadian values.

Do you believe that women should cover their hair and not wear pants (like Orthodox Jews)? If "YES" then obviously you should be denied entry.

The way female Orthodox Jews dress is protected by Canadian law - anything in Canadian law is Canadian values.

Do you believe that torture should be used to obtain information from enemies? If "YES" then obviously you should be denied entry.

Torture is prohibited by Canadian law - anything in Canadian law is Canadian values.

I submit that anything in Canadian law reflects Canadian values - if you do not then you have a problem - or you might be a racist.

Laws are not values. Laws might or might not reflect values. They can change, without the values changing.

[The_Squid]

Gay marriage and the death penalty were upheld and banned respectively because of the Canadian Constitution. Both are clearly "Canadian values" as much as anything could be.

[Big Guy]

Laws are not values. Laws might or might not reflect values. They can change, without the values changing.

Interesting view. Values cause laws to be created or laws cause folks adhere to our values or perhaps laws are an inconvenience for those who have decided that their individual values are Canadian values or that their values supercede Canadian laws.

[BC_chick]

Progressives seem to believe THEIR values are EVERYONE's values. There's a massive arrogance there, and a total contempt for differing opinions which I've noted before.

In fact, the above aren't even values. They're political positions. But again, you clearly don't understand the difference. This is why you're so out of step with the Canadian mainstream.

Well you gotta admit.... Conservative values are closer to those they're trying to keep out than 'progressive' views are to them.

You guys are the missing link.