Progressives and Islam

[BC_chick]

Trudeau, who said that he'd leave Canada and go with Quebec if it ever separated? That Trudeau?

The fact is progressives have never taken any pride in Canada except in relation to welcoming foreigners among us. Progressives despise our history and tradition and everything which made this country what it is EXCEPT for embracing foreigners and minorities.

Taking pride in Canada, after all, would suggest that in some way it's better than other countries, and a progressive would rather cut cut up his or her Costco card than admit Canada and its culture and values are better than anyone else.

He is PET's son, I think he would do whatever it takes to ensure that Quebec does not separate.

The rest of your post is just a bunch of empty rhetoric. People are proud of this country for many personal reasons. Someone is proud of the breathtaking natural beauty, another one for our centrist policies (hybrid of the European and American model). Someone else is proud of our loyalist roots, another for for its bilingualism.

They're all personal reasons and none of them are more right or wrong than others.

Just because some people take pride in different things about this country than you do, it doesn't mean they don't have pride in the country.

[?Impact]

Progressives despise our history and tradition and everything which made this country what it is EXCEPT for embracing foreigners and minorities.

History? Tell me, when did our history start? When John Cabot reached Newfoundland? When Jacques Cartier sailed into the Gulf of St. Lawrence? What about what came before?

[BC_chick]

Tell me, when did our history start?

I'm guessing 1867... and ended when PET opened the floodgates.

[?Impact]

I'm guessing 1867... and ended when PET opened the floodgates.

Women's suffrage in Canada was somewhere between 1916 and 1940, depending on where you lived. Since progressives are the misogynists, obviously Conservatives would not pick before those dates. Ozzie and Harriet went off the air in 1966. I'm thinking our "history" is only 1940-1966 or about a quarter of a century long.

[Argus]

History? Tell me, when did our history start? When John Cabot reached Newfoundland? When Jacques Cartier sailed into the Gulf of St. Lawrence? What about what came before?

Nothing came before.

[Argus]

I'm guessing 1867... and ended when PET opened the floodgates.

History starts when there are civilizations to record history, clearly. There were none in North America prior to the arrival of Europeans.

He is PET's son, I think he would do whatever it takes to ensure that Quebec does not separate.

The only reason Pierre the elder opposed separation for Quebec was because he felt Quebec's interests were better served being part of Canada, not because he loved Canada itself.

[?Impact]

History starts when there are civilizations to record history, clearly. There were none in North America prior to the arrival of Europeans.

Native Americans with their oral history are uncivilized barbarians, just like Muslims?

[GostHacked]

You certainly spend an enormous amount of time defending it from attack by those who do.

And you yourself, like other progressives, have NEVER criticized any aspect of Islamic law or the social values derived from it.

I am not defending the radical portions of it. No one here does. And you know that. We do in fact push back on the radicals, but some here take it further and extend that to all Muslims.

You just chose to ignore the points being made so you can be pissed at a whole wack of people.

[dre]

And I know what you are.

You don't know anything at all. Im just a normal tax paying Canadian business owner who has about 50 bigger fish to fry than your little pet issue.

[BC_chick]

The only reason Pierre the elder opposed separation for Quebec was because he felt Quebec's interests were better served being part of Canada, not because he loved Canada itself.

Well, you're free to speculate what you want, but it doesn't change the fact that Justin Trudeau is proud of Canada the country as it is today whereas you're proud of a Canada that ceased to exist half a century ago (if it really ever existed).

Face it, you're the one who is not proud of your country... not Justin Trudeau.

[eyeball]

Plus it's hard to be xenophobic when you don't believe in your country anyway, have no respect for its traditions or history, and think of it as little more than an international hotel.

What did Trudeau call us, a "post national state"?

OTOH it's easy as pie for patriots to become xenophobes when their shtick wears off and ordinary people start disbelieving it to the point of nausea.

Its painfully obvious to anyone capable of processing a couple of ideas at a time that our governance is as rigged as our economy and just how many of our values are little more than a blanket of sweet nostalgic smelling shit intended to stupefy people into believing otherwise.

Edited September 20, 2016 by eyeball

[Argus]

Native Americans with their oral history are uncivilized barbarians, just like Muslims?

What do you imagine an uncivilized barbarian is anyway? I'm just curious. You don't think native qualified?

[Argus]

I am not defending the radical portions of it. No one here does. And you know that. We do in fact push back on the radicals,

Drivel. No progressive here criticizes any aspect of Islam. The odd thing is most of you who rush to the barricades the moment anyone accuses Islam of anything - even if it's true - are the same ones who jeer, mock and ridicule anyone who expresses Christian beliefs. An actual Christian politician is fit only for sneers, and accusations that they're dangerous. Yet none of you dare make the same sorts of comments towards Hindu, Sikh, or of course, Muslim politicians. You demand absolute respect for Islam while giving no respect yourself to Christians.

[Argus]

Well, you're free to speculate what you want, but it doesn't change the fact that Justin Trudeau is proud of Canada the country as it is today whereas you're proud of a Canada that ceased to exist half a century ago (if it really ever existed).

Face it, you're the one who is not proud of your country... not Justin Trudeau.

And you know all this because... ? You think that shallow, callow, self-absorbed politician makes mouth noises for any reason but to garner adulation from the witless masses?

As for me, if I didn't care about Canada I wouldn't oppose the policies progressives keep pushing in their efforts to destroy it.

[Argus]

You don't know anything at all. Im just a normal tax paying Canadian business owner who has about 50 bigger fish to fry than your little pet issue.

But feels I should be killed for insulting Islam.

Edited September 20, 2016 by Argus

[eyeball]

No, I'm pretty dre meant killed for helping to spread the carcinogenic crap that's caused what were Islam's most primitive and smallest cells to become cancerous. Now its metastasizing.

Thanks a heap.

[cybercoma]

Drivel. No progressive here criticizes any aspect of Islam.

Thats because progressives aren't so stupid that they have to broadbrush an entire religion in order to criticize violence and misogyny. They can actually, you know, criticize the violence and misogyny without insulting millions of Muslims who aren't involved with that garbage. Bigots are less interested in those principles and more interested in touting their cultural superiority than anything else. The difference is very clear to anyone with two brain cells to rub together.

[DogOnPorch]

Drivel. No progressive here criticizes any aspect of Islam. The odd thing is most of you who rush to the barricades the moment anyone accuses Islam of anything - even if it's true - are the same ones who jeer, mock and ridicule anyone who expresses Christian beliefs. An actual Christian politician is fit only for sneers, and accusations that they're dangerous. Yet none of you dare make the same sorts of comments towards Hindu, Sikh, or of course, Muslim politicians. You demand absolute respect for Islam while giving no respect yourself to Christians.

A famous and much celebrated Progressive had a phrase for such folks...oddly enough.

"Useful idiots."

I think the general consensus on the pro-Islam side of the debate is that the religion can easily be controlled via secular law.

[Guest]

Misogyny of forcing women to hide themselves under cloth, obey men and be segregated from men is THE SAME as western culture which objectifies women!

Ah yes, your go to straw man when you are called out on the fact that it's not misogyny that bothers you, it's Islam and Muslims. You're fine with the second class status of women in the Catholic church or the subservient wife approach of various evangelical sects but so concerned with the plight of some Islamic women. Try ditching the relativism yourself and take the honest and ethical approach of calling out all misogyny regardless of the source.

Homophobia which demands the extermination of gays is THE SAME as homophobia which says gays shouldn't marry.

Same straw man. Christian theocracies are exterminating homosexuals. Christians in North America are denying equal rights to LGTB people. It's all immoral, so why is it that you are only outraged by the Islamic variety of homophobia?

Interesting how you employ a campaign tactic used by Donald Trump here, attacking opponents for your own transgressions. Listening to you blast progressives for their hypocrisy is like listening to Trump call Hillary a bigot.

Islam is in need of reform. However, your words lose all credibility when you defend the misdeeds of your own club, even if not as severe.

Edited September 20, 2016 by Guest

[DogOnPorch]

Catholic women are not second class citizens.

[DogOnPorch]

Ah yes, your go to straw man when you are called out on the fact that it's not misogyny that bothers you, it's Islam and Muslims. You're fine with the second class status of women in the Catholic church or the subservient wife approach of various evangelical sects but so concerned with the plight of some Islamic women. Try ditching the relativism yourself and take the honest and ethical approach of calling out all misogyny regardless of the source.

Same straw man. Christian theocracies are exterminating homosexuals. Christians in North America are denying equal rights to LGTB people. It's all immoral, so why is it that you are only outraged by the Islamic variety of homophobia?

Interesting how you employ a campaign tactic used by Donald Trump here, attacking opponents for your own transgressions. Listening to you blast progressives for their hypocrisy is like listening to Trump call Hillary a bigot.

Islam is in need of reform. However, your words lose all sincerity when you defend the misdeeds of your own club, even if not as severe.

Which Christian Theocracies are exterminating homosexuals? Where in North America are religious people denying equal rights to homosexuals?

[Guest]

Which Christian Theocracies are exterminating homosexuals? Where in North America are religious people denying equal rights to homosexuals?

In over half of US states homosexuals are not protected from workplace discrimination and can be fired for being gay. Some US states have bastardized interpretations of the federal RFRA to create their own which allow businesses to discriminate against homosexuals. Gays have only very recently won the right to equal marriage throughout the entire country and I believe every GOP presidential candidate stated they opposed nationwide marriage equality. CPC leadership candidate Brad Trost is also calling for an end to equal marriage and the party itself has still refused to back equal marriage, opting to take "no position" on the topic. In both Canada and the US male homosexuals are prohibited from giving blood if they have had sex, even safe sex, within the past year.

As for exterminating homosexuals, I was referring to the law passed in Uganda and supported by US evangelical groups, that allowed for the death penalty for homosexuals. I wasn't aware that is was later struck down by their supreme court for not meeting an official quorum. Still, under their existing anti-sodomy laws gays can face a life sentence. We are still left with 74ish nations, many with majority Christian populations, where homosexual acts are illegal and punishable with prison time. Plus, US evangelical groups and even the Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute are working to thwart any advancement of gay rights in Africa.

[DogOnPorch]

Provide a few examples of being fired for being homosexual.

Uganda mixes tribal beliefs with Christianity. Similar to Voodoo.

[Guest]

Provide a few examples of being fired for being homosexual.

https://www.fastcompany.com/3057357/the-future-of-work/heres-everywhere-in-america-you-can-still-get-fired-for-being-lgbt

[Argus]

Ah yes, your go to straw man when you are called out on the fact that it's not misogyny that bothers you, it's Islam and Muslims. You're fine with the second class status of women in the Catholic church or the subservient wife approach of various evangelical sects but so concerned with the plight of some Islamic women.

Again, ridiculous efforts at excusing misogyny. There seems no lengths progressives won't go in order to excuse and defend misogyny among Muslims, even equating the fact there are no female Catholic priests with the all-embracing misogyny in the Muslim religion which not only demands segregation everywhere, not only gives men permission to beat their wives, not only makes women officially and legally worth less than half a man, not only allows a man easy divorce and guarantees him custody of children regardless of ability, not only requires sons inherit more than daughters, but also makes the very appearance of women a virtual crime against morality, forcing them to hide themselves all their lives lest men be tempted.

Progressives are the enablers of Muslim misogyny, constantly defending them and paternalistically reassuring Muslims that nothing they're doing is wrong and they should rejoice and cherish their 'culture'.