Argus Posted August 9, 2016 Report Posted August 9, 2016 And what is the unintended purpose? Has this granting of citizenship been used for unintended purpose? Obviously. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 9, 2016 Report Posted August 9, 2016 These chinese people have put millions and millions of dollars into Canada in real estate investments.Making a whole lot of money for government in form of property taxes and other levies. No, in fact, they cheat at everything they do here and rarely pay taxes. I posted a cite to that affect a little ways back. Go read it. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 9, 2016 Report Posted August 9, 2016 Why must you make this about race? Oh, I know, it's easier than justifying a policy that gives citizenship to the children of tourists. SJWs always make EVERYTHING about race. They see it as their duty as noble warriors of the far left, to protect those poor, oppressed, non-white people, who, being non-White, are too ignorant and stupid and lowly to protect or speak for themselves. They need noble white SJWs to "protect them" from the depredations of the horrible Right. And it never occurs to them how racist and paternalistic their own attitudes are towards the people they 'protect'. The only reason anyone is defending this stupid policy is because these SJWs see themselves as the great defenders of the poor, oppressed Asian people. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Wilber Posted August 9, 2016 Report Posted August 9, 2016 Being proud of stupidity is not something to be proud of. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
cybercoma Posted August 9, 2016 Report Posted August 9, 2016 Oh look. Argus has finally bought into the SJW strawman. I mean, it's an easy substitution since he's being using "the left" and "liberal" as a strawman for arguments that no one has ever made. Quote
eyeball Posted August 9, 2016 Report Posted August 9, 2016 (edited) Listening to the SJW cards being played here is like listening to Trump wax ineloquently about billionaires and a hollowed out economy. I don't think the people buying property in Vancouver are very poor and oppressed at all. If anything I'm betting a good number of them probably made their fortunes by oppressing workers and exploiting lax environmental standards back home and now they want a piece of Elysium while the getting's good. This is blow-back, an unintended consequence of the race to the bottom. I don't know if its ironic, odd or something else that all the angst isn't tempered by the realization that at least some of the wealth the race to the bottom created elsewhere is trickling our way. But I don't recall the anti-SJW crowd usually worrying themselves too much over this race - if anything they're usually cheering it on. Edited August 9, 2016 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Peter F Posted August 9, 2016 Report Posted August 9, 2016 The only reason anyone is defending this stupid policy is because these SJWs see themselves as the great defenders of the poor, oppressed Asian people. I take offence to this bullshit that I, as a SJW, confine my outrage to the oppression of Asians. Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
Peter F Posted August 9, 2016 Report Posted August 9, 2016 Oh that's funny. So China likely doesn't allow us to get our children citizenship if we give birth while on Holiday in China, yet we are supposed to allow the Chinese to get citizenship if they are on holiday here? That's a pretty foul uneven and unfair deal don't you think? What deal? Did anyone make a deal with the government of china about reciprocal citizenship-granting mechanisms? Has anyone proposed such? Do you suppose that Canada has and does grant citizenship to all the babies in the hopes of other nations reciprocating? Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
Peter F Posted August 9, 2016 Report Posted August 9, 2016 Don't be silly. All it requires is a bribe. China is a thoroughly corrupt country. Those with money obey no laws. Excellent. Then when that third-child absconds from China with all the money mom and dad squirrelled away, they will not be a drain on your precious tax dollars. The perfect citizen don't you think? Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
WestCoastRunner Posted August 9, 2016 Report Posted August 9, 2016 A great report on Citizenship Reform Proosal. It outlines associated costs and various proposals as well as the pros and cons for each proposal. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Peter F Posted August 9, 2016 Report Posted August 9, 2016 Thanks for that link WCRunner. I found it interesting that the apparent goal of denying citizenship at birth is to keep up the 'value' of citizenship. (see near bottom of linked article: Recommendation "...Thereby preserving the value of citizenship.") Apparently That is the sole aim of not granting citizenship at birth! I am still unable to see how the supposed value of my citizenship changes if others share that citizenship. There is no way of measuring such value. Any value rests entirely within the mind of the citizenship holder and varies from individual to individual. Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
cybercoma Posted August 10, 2016 Report Posted August 10, 2016 A great report on Citizenship Reform Proosal. It outlines associated costs and various proposals as well as the pros and cons for each proposal. Get the hell out of here with your figures and research! This thread is about OPINIONS! Particularly opinions about how awful Chinese people are. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted August 10, 2016 Report Posted August 10, 2016 Get the hell out of here with your figures and research! This thread is about OPINIONS! Particularly opinions about how awful Chinese people are. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Hal 9000 Posted August 10, 2016 Report Posted August 10, 2016 Bull! Government policies are changed all the time and for the most part were not even informed. They can make a policy to bring in refugees in about a week. It takes one person with a pen and ability to change a birth certificate form. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Wilber Posted August 10, 2016 Report Posted August 10, 2016 Get the hell out of here with your figures and research! This thread is about OPINIONS! Particularly opinions about how awful Chinese people are. Why do 85% of the worlds countries including all of Europe, India, China, Japan, Australia and New Zealand all require at least one parent to be a permanent resident? It must be because they are all RAAACIISST. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
cybercoma Posted August 10, 2016 Report Posted August 10, 2016 Permanent resident doesn't even mean citizen. Quote
G Huxley Posted August 10, 2016 Author Report Posted August 10, 2016 What deal? Did anyone make a deal with the government of china about reciprocal citizenship-granting mechanisms? Has anyone proposed such? Do you suppose that Canada has and does grant citizenship to all the babies in the hopes of other nations reciprocating? So are you criticizing the government of China for not allowing our children to be given citizenship if born there? Quote
G Huxley Posted August 10, 2016 Author Report Posted August 10, 2016 A great report on Citizenship Reform Proosal. It outlines associated costs and various proposals as well as the pros and cons for each proposal. Always boiling things down to alleged monetary gain. Is that what our society is based on? Well then we might as well just rape the rest of the earth's environment if that is the case. Full steam ahead! like in China. Quote
Wilber Posted August 10, 2016 Report Posted August 10, 2016 Permanent resident doesn't even mean citizen. Permanent resident doesn't even mean citizen. It doesn't mean tourist either. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Peter F Posted August 10, 2016 Report Posted August 10, 2016 So are you criticizing the government of China for not allowing our children to be given citizenship if born there? Nope. China grants citizenship to whoever they want whenever it pleases them to do so. Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
Wilber Posted August 10, 2016 Report Posted August 10, 2016 Nope. China grants citizenship to whoever they want whenever it pleases them to do so. Perhaps you should read their requirements. Google is your friend. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
TimG Posted August 10, 2016 Report Posted August 10, 2016 Permanent resident doesn't even mean citizen.But it does mean someone who makes their life here and is contributing to society here. Aside: If people insist on handing passports to who ever wants one we should put a much larger price on them. Perhaps a auction where the passport is granted to the highest bidders. Why give away something for free when people are clearly willing to pay for it? Quote
Argus Posted August 10, 2016 Report Posted August 10, 2016 (edited) A great report on Citizenship Reform Proosal. It outlines associated costs and various proposals as well as the pros and cons for each proposal. It also makes clear that they really don't have any idea how often this happens. They cite Stats Canada saying only 500 times a year, but we know that's wildly off. It admits hospitals and provinces aren't tracking it. A Richmond Hill hospital that actually tracked it found 295 (15% of births) in one year all by itself. If there's that many in one hospital then we'e probably dealing with thousands across the province, and possibly tens of thousands across the country. And as the report pointed out, all our allies except the U.S. already do this, so it's not like it's some kind of toweringly difficult policy to implement. Edited August 10, 2016 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Wilber Posted August 10, 2016 Report Posted August 10, 2016 (edited) And as the report pointed out, all our allies except the U.S. already do this, so it's not like it's some kind of toweringly difficult policy to implement. And even the US makes anyone who accepts its citizenship taxpayers for life. We give it away for nothing. Taking pride in stupidity is nothing to be proud of. Including Canadian stupidity. Edited August 10, 2016 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Peter F Posted August 10, 2016 Report Posted August 10, 2016 Perhaps you should read their requirements. Google is your friend. But I do not care what citizenship requirements of China are. Is there some secret reason that cannot be uttered that makes China's rules of importance to Canada? Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
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