So the native inquiry farce begins

[Argus]

At a cost of over $100,000,000, the paternalistic Liberal government has set up a bunch of native whiners and their fellow travelers with an inquiry into why white people have been so mean to them.

And make no mistake, that is what this inquiry is going to be about. Anyone who thinks, given who has been named to the commission and the terms it's been given to operate under, that it's actually going to make any finding of fault among natives or native society is out of their minds.

Native men killing native women? Clearly the fault lies with white society for not giving them enough money. Native kids on drugs? Clearly the fault lies with white society for not giving them more money. Native communities awash in criminality and poverty? Well, that's clearly because White society hasn't given enough power, money and land.

I mean we already know that native women are killed or go missing because of the poverty, drugs and crime, and that they mostly die at the hands of native men. We know the solution rate to their murders is approximately the same as for any other race. What's to be done but to make a finding that society (white society, of course) is at fault. And the solution, as it ever is for the native rights industry, is ever more money from that white society.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-launches-inquiry-investigating-causes-of-violence-against-indigenous-women/article31253464/

[-1=e^ipi]

Indigenous men are murdered at over twice the rate as Indigenous women.

So why weren't they included in this inquiry?

Sexism.

People care far more about violence against women than violence against men.

[Rue]

Indigenous men are murdered at over twice the rate as Indigenous women.

So why weren't they included in this inquiry?

Sexism.

People care far more about violence against women than violence against men.

I do believe the Liberal government is using aboriginals as it does Syrian refugees. Its crass politics.

On the other hand the fact is murders of aboriginal women are not investigated because they are aboriginal. They are not investigated because they are aboriginal because they would be traced back to reservations and/or living situations where there is rampant sexual assault, child and wife abuse and other forms of violence brought on by alcohol and drug abuse.

The question then becomes why are aboriginals destroying themselves and their families with drug and alcohol abuse, internal violence, suicide.

That question has been asked many times. It usually gets perfunctory, superficial responses such as buzz word sounding phrases like

"systemtic discrimination".

The reality is there is no police manpower to go to rural areas and track down the drunk or drug addict who raped or beat the woman or child to death. The violence is so prevalent and so wide spread, police can't stop it and reservations have become no man lands beyond the reach of

the law.

The finger will be pointed at police and the federal government but not at the structure of aboriginal councils, the representatives aboriginals pick,

and the failure of aboriginals to strongly address their own behaviour patterns and instead of blaming the government, look at their own actions as well.

Many aboriginal women leave the reservation and can succumb to prostitution to keep their drinking and crack addictions going.

You go to Winnipeg, Regina, Thunderbay and cities or towns with high aboriginal populations and domestic violence, child molestation and suicide, drug and alcohol abuse are rampant and they all factor in. We know that.

So? Do you spend hundreds of millions to write up yet anoother knee jerk liberal report that spews the word systemic racism over and over?

Solutions? You need an inquiry for solutions? You need an inquiry to tell you there is mass suicide of aboriginal children, that most aboriginals raped

never report it? You need a report to say people who feel they have no future and are trapped drink and rape as expressions of alienation?

Do you need a report to say most reserves are shut off from mainstream society and therefore breeding grounds for incest, rape, child molestation,

suicide? Really?

Same old words.

Bottom line is, until the reservation system is ended, this will continue.

[-1=e^ipi]

Bottom line is, until the reservation system is ended, this will continue.

Yes, but according to the CBC, this comment is racist.

Comments like these are why CBC decided to get rid of all comments on native issues. Can't have people arguing that people should be equal and that the reserve system contributes to poverty, it gets in the way of the narrative they wish to peddle.

Edited August 3, 2016 by -1=e^ipi

[Rue]

Yes, but according to the CBC, this comment is racist.

Comments like these are why CBC decided to get rid of all comments on native issues. Can't have people arguing that people should be equal and that the reserve system contributes to poverty, it gets in the way of the narrative they wish to peddle.

Yep. I mean no disrespect to aboriginals and ultimately they have to be the leaders and creators of their own solutions, but for me, and its only my opinion, I believe the reservation system is a vestige of a system that failed. Surely there are better ways to honour aboriginal constitutional rights.

Myself I think the federal government of aboriginal affairs is throwing money out and not properly accounting for it as much as they have tried during the Harper regime and part of that problem is an antiquated federal government ministry and part of it is corrupt or incompetent aboriginal leaders hiding behind their aboriginal status to avoid responsibility for their failure to serve their people justly because of corruption or incompetence.

Its not meant to be insulting. The rest of us have corrupt idiot governments as well. Its just we need to speak candidly about failures and get them out in the open if we are to reform them.

I think Trudeau is simply a photo op patoot and has zero substance. The Justice Minister though is a tough tough woman and aboriginal and I just think she will do something new for her people, hopefully if that is not an unfair thing to dump on her shoulders. I just don't see her being a mouthpiece for superficial feelgood words. In fact I could see her giving her own party sheeyit if they don't come up with something concrete that

has measurable results. In fact I think Trudeau has set up very lofty and unrealistic expectations.

Just look to see how he has treated Syrians to see what he will be doing with aboriginals. Doesn't look good at all if we go by Trudeau's fluff and puff.

[eyeball]

White society hasn't given enough power, money and land.

White society is just way more overtly beholden to those who control these things is all, especially power.

[poochy]

This will just be a paid vacation for most involved, the air charter companies will be happy, we already know why this happens, unfortunately the only people who can really fix it are never expected to do so. But, these liberals, the scum that they are, are more than willing to spend public money to give poor people false hopes if it might mean votes, gotta keep up that 'nice, caring' persona. Just like the overt lie they told about UNDRIP, the conservatives were honest about it, the liberals lied and used people to help win an election, it's pretty clear who the evil ones really are.

[Argus]

On the other hand the fact is murders of aboriginal women are not investigated because they are aboriginal.

No, they're investigated because they're crimes, and are solved about as often as any other murder.

Bottom line is, until the reservation system is ended, this will continue.

Unfortunately, pretty much true. But the native rights industry, to say nothing of native governments, have no interest in something which goes so much against their personal economic interests.

[PIK]

Well argus, you nailed it.

[Jariax]

Which is more racist?

Acknowledging  the reserve system is broken and proposing alternatives?
Pretending nothing is wrong and keep applying band-aid solutions, allowing FN to wallow in slums all across the country?

Unfortunately, our PM is far more interested in virtue-signalling than any real change. 

 

[cannuck]

I will have to disagree with the general tone of this thread - that this is an aboriginal problem to solve and that Whitey is not to blame.   Well, not at all the case.  The reason that people can sit around on reserves all day and drink, screw, fight and buy lots of drugs is because some frigging idiots (mostly WHITE idiots) give them an endless supply of money - totally unaccountable money,   It perpetuates  because we also allow  BILLIONS a year to be poured into the "Indian Industry", the bureaucrats and consultants who live very high off of this hog, and kick a fair bit of their booty and efforts back to the benefit of politics in general.  If you have to get off of your ass and work for a living for yourself and your family to survive, it really cuts into the time for endless drinking, screwing, fighting and getting stoned.  Handouts to aboriginal populations seemingly "in distress" ANYWHERE is a huge mistake - it fosters what every bureaucrat and consultant has for a wet dream:  dependency that taken to the extreme results in a culture of entitlement.

This inquiry is yet another $100mm of the same thing.  The Libs could care less about the cost, since it is OUR grandchildren who will have to pay this bill.

If you want to jump up and down and scream "racism" at me, as that is what is politically correct, you should know that my wife and children are eligible for status, and some of my nieces, nephews and one grand daughter are full treaty.

Edited December 28, 2017 by cannuck

[eyeball]

The way to end the native reserve system is to make them really really big and call them countries.

There's yer real taboo narrative right there.

[cannuck]

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

The way to end the native reserve system is to make them really really big and call them countries.

There's yer real taboo narrative right there.

Good point, and I will chuckle about that all day.   Thanks.

[Argus]

2 hours ago, cannuck said:

Good point, and I will chuckle about that all day.   Thanks.

They can have the Atlantic provinces. And especially, they can be given all the fishing boats in the Atlantic. Their present owners will gladly gift them to natives in order to help alleviate their guilt and shame over Canada's past injustices.

[cannuck]

3 minutes ago, Argus said:

They can have the Atlantic provinces. And especially, they can be given all the fishing boats in the Atlantic. Their present owners will gladly gift them to natives in order to help alleviate their guilt and shame over Canada's past injustices.

They already HAVE huge tracts of land and conduct themselves as sovereign entities - all paid for from ROC taxes.  Sweet deal: get conquered  by a far more advanced civilization, do diddly squat except bitch and moan, and get handed back the dirt and all of the resources beneath that no other people in Canada can get for free, and get paid a shitload of money to stay home and drink, screw, fight and shoot up while you are waiting.

[Goddess]

On 8/3/2016 at 2:46 PM, Rue said:

Bottom line is, until the reservation system is ended, this will continue.

I sometimes think there is a bit of a "victim mentality" going on too.......I was reading about how some aboriginal women feel they were pressured into getting sterilized and now want money to compensate.  But, most of my "caucasian" freinds have said that sterilization was suggested for them, too.  For myself, I'm not a very good baby machine - the doc had a frank discussion with me about having a tubal done when I was 28 and had my second child.  Both my sisters have said the same thing was suggested to them and other freinds have said the same thing was discussed with them after various children were born.  I never viewed it as being "pressured"......but maybe I was?  Should I also be getting money from the government for it?

[Robert Greene]

They are a victim, because they Canadian government keeps handing over welfare checks creating a culture of dependency.

[eyeball]

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So the native inquiry farce begins

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And the racists carry on like they always do - that will never end.

Edited December 28, 2017 by eyeball

[cannuck]

6 hours ago, eyeball said:

 

And the racists carry on like they always do - that will never end.

Standard knee jerk reaction from the left fence of the ballpark.  Anyone who is not slave to political correctness, or anyone foolish enough to tell the realistic truth just gets shouted down as racist.  Avoids the unpleasant need to deal with reality.

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, cannuck said:

Standard knee jerk reaction from the left fence of the ballpark.  Anyone who is not slave to political correctness, or anyone foolish enough to tell the realistic truth just gets shouted down as racist.  Avoids the unpleasant need to deal with reality.

It was dealt with, you even said it was a good point. Probably just thought I was kidding didn't you?

Try to deal with it better next time.

[cannuck]

yeah, but it's like humour:   leave a good straight line on the table and someone will make a joke out of it.

I just couldn't resist.  You should know by now not to take me too seriously.

[Rue]

I am of mixed opinion on the native inquiry of missing aboriginal women. On the one hand it may be crass political exploitation of this issue and do nothing in the long run. On the other hand for the people who have attended it, it clearly means something to them. That chance to speak out even if it may fall on deaf ears, has a therapeutic value. Maybe its an awful expensive one to provide, but symbolically having it expressed out loud  might give some of these people an opportunity to heal or get some kind of closure.

I think the cynic in me says its just another showboat Trudeau pandering exercise. On the other hand, the people who have taken the time to show up and speak are genuine and there pain is genuine and it has to mean something,

 

 

[PIK]

3 hours ago, Rue said:

I am of mixed opinion on the native inquiry of missing aboriginal women. On the one hand it may be crass political exploitation of this issue and do nothing in the long run. On the other hand for the people who have attended it, it clearly means something to them. That chance to speak out even if it may fall on deaf ears, has a therapeutic value. Maybe its an awful expensive one to provide, but symbolically having it expressed out loud  might give some of these people an opportunity to heal or get some kind of closure.

I think the cynic in me says its just another showboat Trudeau pandering exercise. On the other hand, the people who have taken the time to show up and speak are genuine and there pain is genuine and it has to mean something,

 

 

But it has been done before, and yes it would be hard on people to come forward again. But it seems they will not be happy until all blame is placed on the white man. 

[herples]

On 03/08/2016 at 9:25 AM, Argus said:

At a cost of over $100,000,000, the paternalistic Liberal government has set up a bunch of native whiners and their fellow travelers with an inquiry into why white people have been so mean to them.

And make no mistake, that is what this inquiry is going to be about. Anyone who thinks, given who has been named to the commission and the terms it's been given to operate under, that it's actually going to make any finding of fault among natives or native society is out of their minds.

Native men killing native women? Clearly the fault lies with white society for not giving them enough money. Native kids on drugs? Clearly the fault lies with white society for not giving them more money. Native communities awash in criminality and poverty? Well, that's clearly because White society hasn't given enough power, money and land.

I mean we already know that native women are killed or go missing because of the poverty, drugs and crime, and that they mostly die at the hands of native men. We know the solution rate to their murders is approximately the same as for any other race. What's to be done but to make a finding that society (white society, of course) is at fault. And the solution, as it ever is for the native rights industry, is ever more money from that white society.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-launches-inquiry-investigating-causes-of-violence-against-indigenous-women/article31253464/

The inquiry was the recommendation made by the TRC. Non natives could also be responsible for the disappearances and until the cases are solved you can't say it's one way or the other.

Edited December 30, 2017 by herples

[Argus]

20 hours ago, herples said:

The inquiry was the recommendation made by the TRC. Non natives could also be responsible for the disappearances and until the cases are solved you can't say it's one way or the other.

There is no reason for this inquiry. We already know what causes native women to be killed or disappeared, and it's mostly violent native men and poverty which leads to alcoholism crime, prostitution, etc. This is just ridiculously expensive group therapy.