Toronto Police Planning Job Action of Proposed Efficiencies

[Boges]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/programs/metromorning/toronto-police-report-1.3638206

Toronto police officers are so concerned about the changes proposed in an upcoming report that there's already talk of job action, said the head of the Toronto Police Association.

A task force, struck by Mayor John Tory to modernize the police force and reduce its budget, is poised to make a series of recommendations, including closing six stations across the city and not hiring any officers for three years, according to details leaked by senior police officials.

Mike McCormack, President of the Toronto Police Association, said chief among his concerns about the details of the new report is how the force will operate with 350 fewer officers by 2017. He said officers are already frustrated by not having enough personnel to do proactive police work.

"They're stressed by the workload," McCormack told CBC's Metro Morning on Thursday.

One thing the report focuses on, she said, is how to "get police out of the bricks and mortar fortress and out into the street?"

Carroll also said many of the changes — which have been made in other police jurisdictions — will reduce the workload for officers by taking them off tasks that can be handled by civilians and keeping them focused on serious police work.

The Ward 33 councillor also said that she believes the public has taken a "unanimous position" that policing in Toronto needs to change.

More details of the task force's report are set to be made public this afternoon, after journalists are briefed on the document at police headquarters.

Tory struck the task force in February after the police budget topped $1 billion for the first time ever, sparking criticism from many in the city.

They're sooooo overworked!!! I'm guessing that means speeding fines are never collected because Toronto cops are doing "Real" work right?

Only in the public service would anyone suggest that they're entitled to an increase in workforce annually or the public safety will be effected.

This is the type of hostage taking that people resent regarding the public service.

[Argus]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/programs/metromorning/toronto-police-report-1.3638206

They're sooooo overworked!!! I'm guessing that means speeding fines are never collected because Toronto cops are doing "Real" work right?

Only in the public service would anyone suggest that they're entitled to an increase in workforce annually or the public safety will be effected.

This is the type of hostage taking that people resent regarding the public service.

Police spend most of their time filling out forms because of the complexity of the legal system. When they're not doing that they're waiting to testify at court.

The police to population ratio is very low in Canada compared to just about anywhere, and as our population grows, if the police don't grow, then that ratio gets lower and lower.

That being said, the real problem is that we pay police too much for their skill set. That's why we can't afford many of them.

[eyeball]

Shouldn't legalizing pot cut deeply into the need for cops?

[H10]

On 6/16/2016 at 11:51 PM, eyeball said:

Shouldn't legalizing pot cut deeply into the need for cops?

No they will find a new boogey man to go after.

[Hassamin]

Hey Everybody!

We're facing some social problem in Toronto.
So hopefully, Toronto police definitely help us. Because they are always ready to service us.

 

[Rue]

On ‎2016‎-‎06‎-‎16 at 11:51 PM, eyeball said:

Shouldn't legalizing pot cut deeply into the need for cops?

Shouldn't you try get serious just once about a thread?

[Rue]

Anyone who thinks they understand the job load of a police officer needs to spend one day with one on a beat.

The same crap I hear about police having it easy I hear about nurses, social workers, teachers, etc.

Take the time to put yourself in someone else's shoes before you piss in them.

[hot enough]

4 hours ago, Rue said:

Take the time to put yourself in someone else's shoes before you piss in them.

Good advice, Rue. You should follow good advice, not just make a big pretense that you are some good citizen. 

Instead of advancing lies about the events of 911, which you have illustrated you know nothing about. Good citizens don't lie and then cower in the shadows.

[Rue]

6 hours ago, hot enough said:

Good advice, Rue. You should follow good advice, not just make a big pretense that you are some good citizen. 

Instead of advancing lies about the events of 911, which you have illustrated you know nothing about. Good citizens don't lie and then cower in the shadows.

I have never claimed to be a bad or good citizen. I find words like bad and good something simpletons use because they find the world co mplex and need to reduce it to simplistic terms to grasp. This thread is not about 9-11. Its about issues that arise during day to day policing. Most people think they have an opinion on a police officer's day based on what they see on t.v. or on the assumption they sit and eat doughnuts. The fact is as their job is full of politics, inefficiency caused by out of control bureaucratic practices which are often caused by the public's demand for complete transparency which generates procedures and forms. The topic is about better police management and balancing the need for transparency and accountability of police actions with the methods to assure that and its also about proper policing. Its a complex topic. I just was stating an opinion that anyone calling a police officer lazy or suggesting there job is easy is mistaken. That said its important to have transparency and accountability to offset corruption and abuse of power practices. There are also training issues, health and safety issues, etc.

Now go back to the 9-11 thread and spew some more false and unsubstantiated conspiracy allegations. You clearly don't want to discuss this topic.

 

[hot enough]

I knew that you would go to Rue doublespeak. And such a coward you are, an intellectual coward.

[eyeball]

19 hours ago, Rue said:

Shouldn't you try get serious just once about a thread?

 Right...so says the guy who's posts often as not include 'poo poo', 'ka ka' and 'giggle giggle'.

 

[taxme]

On 6/16/2016 at 0:57 PM, Boges said:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/programs/metromorning/toronto-police-report-1.3638206

 

 

 

 

They're sooooo overworked!!! I'm guessing that means speeding fines are never collected because Toronto cops are doing "Real" work right?

Only in the public service would anyone suggest that they're entitled to an increase in workforce annually or the public safety will be effected.

This is the type of hostage taking that people resent regarding the public service.

 

I remember the good old days when a police force only had to deal with robberies and murders. Now they are more like social workers, and have to deal with cry baby whiners and complainers, and so many useless programs and agendas that have been shoved on society by the politicians that the police have to get involved with and enforce that they should never have to be involved with. 

[jacee]

On 20/07/2017 at 3:18 AM, taxme said:

I remember the good old days when a police force only had to deal with robberies and murders. Now they are more like social workers, and have to deal with cry baby whiners and complainers, and so many useless programs and agendas that have been shoved on society by the politicians that the police have to get involved with and enforce that they should never have to be involved with. 

You're talking about Community Policing, preventative work.

It would be sad if that's taking a hit.

We should legalize all drugs, take the profits away from organized violent crime, --> reduce crime and policing needs. 

Edited July 27, 2017 by jacee
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[taxme]

On 6/16/2016 at 0:57 PM, Boges said:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/programs/metromorning/toronto-police-report-1.3638206

 

 

 

 

They're sooooo overworked!!! I'm guessing that means speeding fines are never collected because Toronto cops are doing "Real" work right?

Only in the public service would anyone suggest that they're entitled to an increase in workforce annually or the public safety will be effected.

This is the type of hostage taking that people resent regarding the public service.

 

What the police should be really doing is arresting every city and provincial politician in Ontario for their traitorous acts against the people of Ontario over the decades. The conservatives and the liberals and the NDP have destroyed a once great province. When Ontario was a WASP province there was always peace and happiness. Now all their is is despair and taxation without proper representation, and a nearly bankrupt people and province. Canada needs a good draining of the politically correct corrupt swamp.  

[Queenmandy85]

On 7/28/2017 at 5:10 PM, taxme said:

What the police should be really doing is arresting every city and provincial politician in Ontario for their traitorous acts against the people of Ontario over the decades. The conservatives and the liberals and the NDP have destroyed a once great province. When Ontario was a WASP province there was always peace and happiness. Now all their is is despair and taxation without proper representation, and a nearly bankrupt people and province. Canada needs a good draining of the politically correct corrupt swamp.  

Sarcasm???

[Argus]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Sarcasm???

Sadly... no.

[taxme]

5 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Sarcasm???

It was meant to hurt and hopefully wake up all those Ontario taxpayer's who keep voting for the same corrupt and lying politicians who despise and have always had contempt for the Ontario taxpayer's and their tax dollars. The only politician that was not afraid to take on the city of Toronto and the provincial establishment and who had the guts to stand up for the taxpayer's of Toronto was Rob Ford. The rest are just a waste of taxpayer's tax dollars and all of them should be fired. Where is a Trump when you need him? 

[Wilber]

On 2017-06-11 at 4:44 PM, Rue said:

Anyone who thinks they understand the job load of a police officer needs to spend one day with one on a beat.

The same crap I hear about police having it easy I hear about nurses, social workers, teachers, etc.

Take the time to put yourself in someone else's shoes before you piss in them.

Good advice. Ask your local police force if you can go on a ride along. Pick a busy weekend evening when the weather is good.

[Rue]

15 hours ago, Wilber said:

Good advice. Ask your local police force if you can go on a ride along. Pick a busy weekend evening when the weather is good.

Don't have to. I used to as part of three  of my past jobs in the legal system (criminal, family, children).

You don't want the job Wilbur. They go from extreme levels of boredom to intense crisis in seconds.  They witness crap that never goes away. Once you smell a dead body, deal with a child who has been raped by their father or brother,  respond to a car accident with severe injuries, respond to a severe domestic abuse call, have someone vomit on you, on and on it stays with you.

There's also a big difference between a desk cop and aguy on patrol, a guy in uniform, a guy in plain clothes, and types of specialities like trafiic-accident, arson  homicide, hold up, morality, youth, fraud. Each specialized area has its own particular stress issues.

I know some unsung friggin heroes, some burned out sob's and a lot of people just trying to stay alive until they retire balancing the theory thrown at them with the reality they face.

Wearing a suit and arguing in court in some ways is a lot easier and cleaner. We don't have blood splashed on us or vomit unless we did show up which was not that often.

Had my share of vomit and urine with insane or mentally ill people. I tell you what, once you see a guy walk you know raped and/or beats his children, it gets to you and that smell never leaves.  First time I saw a dead body I still remember. After a brief period of time, a day or so, maybe two, they burst-all the chemicals rise and burst out. It overwhelms you when you open the door and I never did understand even in air tight apartments, the flies and maggots always get in.

When you see a dead body it sort of makes a mockery of life for a second-the body is all twisted like a melted wax figure at a museum-you go is that it with life? That's it? Then you have to slap yourself and fill out the paper work and wait for the chem hazard people to come clean it up;.

Its not glamorous.  Telling parents their child is dead from drunk driving isn't glamorous.

Like I said you don't want to piss in their shoes unless you wear them first.

My deference to police and soldiers  is genuine. They never asked me for it when I worked with them either. They were quite modest about it unlike on t.v.  They just do their job. 

As for your comment about weather, more people die when the weather is good then when its bad.  Figure it out.

It's not something to joke about.

[Wilber]

I wasn't joking.

My son is a police officer. He has done patrol, surveilance, some under cover ( not the deep stuff), bicycle squad and now he is ERT. Doesn't talk much about his job unless I ask him. After twelve years he still likes being at the sharp end and isn't ready to go for sergeant yet.

I went for a ride along on a night like I described. 7PM to 7AM. I was on my son's shift but I went with another officer as you can't go with family. It was non stop till about 3AM, everything from lost kids, domestic disputes, addicts being robbed, people waving guns and knives etc. A fairly normal Friday night I was told except fortunately no one was hurt or hauled off to a hospital that we were involved in. Mediation and social working is a big part of what they do. This was pre fentanyl so it is even worse now.

Around three it had quieted down. My son was cataloging evidence at the station and my officer had to get caught up and was sitting in the car transcribing his notes into his laptop. So I went home.

It was an eye opener and the even handed  way these guys handled themselves whoever they were dealing with, impressed me. Made me proud of the kid.

[Argus]

21 hours ago, Wilber said:

Good advice. Ask your local police force if you can go on a ride along. Pick a busy weekend evening when the weather is good.

This still leaves out the fact that most of the time police spend on paperwork, traffic tickets and waiting in courts. I can't remember the exact stat but I believe the average cop in Canada makes well under one arrest a month.

Edited August 2, 2017 by Argus

[Wilber]

They spend a lot of time doing paperwork and in court. It doesn't take much to have a case thrown out. As far as traffic tickets go, only about 5% of our officers are in traffic and patrol officers don't give tickets unless it is something flagrant. Teams of major crimes and specialized officers can work months on a case before an arrest is made so your average number doesn't mean much. When you consider the evidence some of them have to wade through in order to nail people like pedophiles and child porn producers, you can't pay them enough as far as I am concerned.

[jacee]

On 31/07/2017 at 10:22 AM, Queenmandy85 said:

Sarcasm???

Sadly, no.

Taxme is quite serious.

Me, not so much. 

[Argus]

18 hours ago, Wilber said:

They spend a lot of time doing paperwork and in court. It doesn't take much to have a case thrown out. As far as traffic tickets go, only about 5% of our officers are in traffic and patrol officers don't give tickets unless it is something flagrant. Teams of major crimes and specialized officers can work months on a case before an arrest is made so your average number doesn't mean much. When you consider the evidence some of them have to wade through in order to nail people like pedophiles and child porn producers, you can't pay them enough as far as I am concerned.

Most cops aren't detectives. They're not conducting investigations. And only a tiny minority of the ones who are go near child porn or pedophiles. More often its car thefts, armed robbery, muggings, purse snatchings, minor assaults, vandalism, petty theft and burglary. Most of the cops' time is spent, as you say, in refereeing and acting like social workers.

 

[Wilber]

They have to deal with the system we have. They do have to follow up on their cases if they want to make an arrest that will result in a charge, or not. I think you watch too much TV. I don't know about your province but only the Crown can press charges in mine so there is no point running around arresting everyone, which makes refereeing and social working an important part of their job.