Transgender

betsy · July 25, 2016

You asked my opinion and I have given it so it is about my opinion.

And I'm responding to your opinion. Your opinion says it's all about you!

betsy · July 25, 2016

To the extent that real harm comes from this then sure, it's not trivial.

But then we could get into an argument about closing down every religious institution in the world if we are going to go down this road.

:rolleyes:

We're talking restrooms, msj.

All facilities have to have restrooms because everyone has to answer to biological functions such as peeing.

It happens to everyone - whether you're an atheist or not.

Edited July 25, 2016 by betsy

cybercoma · July 25, 2016

You don't.

I'm not familiar with any cases where pedophiles or other sex offenders have disguised themselves as the opposite gender in order to commit offences.

That fear of disguise seems to play a great role in your thoughts on Transgender rights (though it's unrelated really) so can you provide some examples of such cases ?

Here's a tip to help with your fears: If you see a mannish face with a mustache and a hairy chin, dressed as a woman, with support hose, a kerchief and a shopping cart ... it's a woman:

A Transgender woman would never go out looking like that.

And what's with all the laughter about sexual assault?

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Not to mention that disguising yourself literally means you're not a transgender person.

msj · July 25, 2016

We're talking restrooms, msj.

All facilities have to have restrooms because everyone has to answer to biological functions such as peeing.

It happens to everyone - whether you're an atheist or not.

I'm not talking about closing down washrooms in churches.

I'm talking about closing down the churches themselves.

They have been used to abuse people in all there nooks and crannies so I don't see how we must be all concerned about bathrooms in Target when "we" are not concerned about boys around the corner at the altar.

msj · July 25, 2016

And I'm responding to your opinion. Your opinion says it's all about you!

So, because you "see a need" this means this entire thread is about you.

BFD.

betsy · July 25, 2016

Not to mention that disguising yourself literally means you're not a transgender person.

Well, I'm not saying that transgenders would be the perverts!

I'm saying, perverts will disguise themselves as transforming transgenders to gain free access to restrooms!

My goodness......that pathetic response takes the cake! :lol:

Edited July 25, 2016 by betsy

betsy · July 25, 2016

I'm not talking about closing down washrooms in churches.

I'm talking about closing down the churches themselves.

They have been used to abuse people in all there nooks and crannies so I don't see how we must be all concerned about bathrooms in Target when "we" are not concerned about boys around the corner at the altar.

Irrelevant.

Lift thine eyes msj....and behold the title of this thread. Maybe you need your glasses.

You're so desperate to insist bringing up the religion card - go to Religion and create your own thread for

Church washrooms and pervert priests!

We're talking about transgenders! And right now, it's about the controversy over restrooms.

Stay focused.

Edited July 25, 2016 by betsy

betsy · July 25, 2016

So, because you "see a need" this means this entire thread is about you.

BFD.

Eh? Are you kidding me? You sound like you're foaming....that remark doesn't make any sense.

States Sue Obama Administration Over Transgender Bathroom Policy

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/26/us/states-texas-sue-obama-administration-over-transgender-bathroom-policy.html?_r=0

Obviously there's a need to address this! Otherwise there wouldn't be any controversy over it, right?

Edited July 25, 2016 by betsy

msj · July 25, 2016

Eh? Are you kidding me? You sound like you're foaming....that remark doesn't make any sense.

You are obviously tone deaf so you should not be commenting on whether I am foaming or whether I am LMAO at you.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/26/us/states-texas-sue-obama-administration-over-transgender-bathroom-policy.html?_r=0

Obviously there's a need to address this! Otherwise there wouldn't be any controversy over it, right?

Using a bunch of politicians who get their knickers in a knot when a person dresses other than the gender of their birth as proof of a controversy is odd.

There is no controversy here: we have people who identify in certain ways and as long as they are not behaving in ways that harm other people, for example, touching choir boys, then there is no reason to discriminate against them.

Othere's a need to address this! Otherwise there wouldn't be any controversy over it, right?

betsy · July 25, 2016

You are obviously tone deaf so you should not be commenting on whether I am foaming or whether I am LMAO at you.

Using a bunch of politicians who get their knickers in a knot when a person dresses other than the gender of their birth as proof of a controversy is odd.

There is no controversy here: we have people who identify in certain ways and as long as they are not behaving in ways that harm other people, for example, touching choir boys, then there is no reason to discriminate against them.

When politicians get their knickers in a knot - publicly - over something.....it's a controversy that needs to be addressed.

What more when they go to court over it!

Edited July 25, 2016 by betsy

msj · July 25, 2016

Nope, it means they are trying to score points from an issue that they have created in the first place in order to score those points.

It's a vicious circle at taxpayers expense.

betsy · July 26, 2016

Nope, it means they are trying to score points from an issue that they have created in the first place in order to score those points.

It's a vicious circle at taxpayers expense.

Like Trudeau making a big deal out of all his campaign promises. Like the Niqab controversy.

I suppose he wasn't listening to his constituents.....you're saying he's just trying to score points, making issues out of nothing.

BubberMiley · July 26, 2016

Well, I'm not saying that transgenders would be the perverts!

I'm saying, perverts will disguise themselves as transforming transgenders to gain free access to restrooms!

They will? Is this prophesy? Because they haven't up till now, and there's no one checking birth certificates at the rest room door. Why do you think that will change and suddenly there will be aproblem?

msj · July 26, 2016

Like Trudeau making a big deal out of all his campaign promises. Like the Niqab controversy.

I suppose he wasn't listening to his constituents.....you're saying he's just trying to score points, making issues out of nothing.

He's a politician so he will do politician things.

Sort of like how the Niqab controversy was used by the CPC and it backfired on them.

jacee · July 27, 2016

When politicians get their knickers in a knot - publicly - over something.....it's a controversy that needs to be addressed.

What more when they go to court over it!

Don't get your knickers in a knot, Betsy.

That's in the States.

Controversial bathroom sign sparks backlash in Medicine Hat

Management later posted a sign outside the bathroom which read: "You must use the bathroom of your birth gender."

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Rising said a male bouncer at the bar that night asked her highly personal questions about her transition and whether she had undergone surgery.

"I was angry. I felt hurt," said Rising, who has identified as female since she was 16.

"Nobody has the right to ask what I have between my legs. It's messed up."

Rising said the bouncer told her she could not use the women's washroom, but offered to escort her into the men's bathroom a facility she hasn't used since she was 17.

"I told him, 'I would rather pee myself than use a men's washroom. That's not gonna happen tonight,'" she said.

Community backlash

Patrons at the bar that night say they were "disgusted" by the sign and the bar's response.

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Rising said that the new gender-neutral washroom is a step in the right direction. 'If that's what came from this experience, I think that's a positive one. That's all you can do. That's the solution.' (River Rising/Facebook)

Destiny Burkart said the argument that men could pretend to be transgender in order to enter the women's bathroom does not justify discrimination.

"If a man's gonna do that, he's gonna do it anyways," Burkart said.

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"I didn't mean it to go in the direction that it did. We're living and learning," [the manager] said.

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"We made a small mistake, but we're rectifying the situation. We welcome anybody to come here."

See?

No lawsuits necessary.

And a lot of businesses just learned a lesson.

Thanks to Corona Tavern, Medicine Hat, Alberta! ?

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Edited July 27, 2016 by jacee

betsy · July 27, 2016

Destiny Burkart said the argument that men could pretend to be transgender in order to enter the women's bathroom does not justify discrimination.

"If a man's gonna do that, he's gonna do it anyways," Burkart said.

If a man's gonna do that, he'll be easily challenged if the washroom is for females only! Duh!

WestCoastRunner · July 27, 2016

If a man's gonna do that, he'll be easily challenged if the washroom is for females only! Duh!

Is 'Duh' really necessary. It only makes you look immature.

If a man is dressed as a woman, why would he be challenged? He looks like a woman!

?Impact · July 28, 2016

Why all this hubbub over restrooms. The only reason we have gender based restrooms is because about 50% of the population can pee standing up. We should have unisex restrooms, with a urinal alcove.

betsy · August 5, 2016

Transgender Woman Arrested for Taking Pictures in Target Changing Room
A transgender Idaho Falls woman was arrested on one count of felony voyeurism for a report that she took pictures of another woman changing clothes in a dressing room in a Target store in Ammon, Idaho. (Unlike a fake news report from April 2016 involving a woman supposedly arrested for taking pictures of underage girls in a Target bathroom, this report is real.)

According to a Bonneville County Sheriff’s Office news release, “Detectives were able to review witness information and security footage from Target that led them to come in contact with 43-year-old Sean Patrick Smith, who also identifies as Shauna Patricia Smith, a transgender female."

Likely neither the gender status of the suspect or the dressing area was a significant factor in this crime.

A perpetrator wearing a wig and a dress (as the suspect in this case was) could probably get into a dressing area and take pictures of women without initially raising alarm, regardless of whether the dressing area was women-only or unisex, and regardless of whether the perpetrator was genuinely transgender or not.

http://www.snopes.com/2016/07/13/transgender-woman-arrested-for-taking-pictures-in-target-changing-room/

I hope the last portion is large enough that you don't miss it.....to remind you what I was on about in a previous post! #556

betsy

Well, I'm not saying that transgenders would be the perverts!

I'm saying, perverts will disguise themselves as transforming transgenders to gain free access to restrooms!

Told you......

Edited August 5, 2016 by betsy

betsy · August 5, 2016

How many will end up on youtube, I wonder?

Edited August 5, 2016 by betsy

WestCoastRunner · August 5, 2016

http://www.snopes.com/2016/07/13/transgender-woman-arrested-for-taking-pictures-in-target-changing-room/

I hope the last portion is large enough that you don't miss it.....to remind you what I was on about in a previous post! #556

Told you......

FFS Betsy. Whether or not transgenders are allowed into a bathroom of their choice has no bearing on this incident. Any man can dress as a woman today and take pics! Honestly, wtf are you talking about.

betsy · August 5, 2016

FFS Betsy. Whether or not transgenders are allowed into a bathroom of their choice has no bearing on this incident. Any man can dress as a woman today and take pics! Honestly, wtf are you talking about.

Think.

Edited August 5, 2016 by betsy

Hal 9000 · August 5, 2016

Think.

Don't bother, she knows what you're talking about.

Archduke al-Qaddafi · August 8, 2016

Mark my words, if the social justice warriors get their way on these "gender neutral" washrooms it will end up being the "cisgendered" male who gets the shaft, no pun intended. We will undoubtedly lose our urinals, and will likely be ordered to sit for #1 lest a woman be "triggered" by the sound of a man in the stall next to her. Men will never be fully accepted in supposedly "gender neutral" public washrooms.

Archduke al-Qaddafi · August 8, 2016

Men don't care who uses the same public washroom as them, sex-segregated washrooms are there for the benefit of women. Yet men will be the ones who are ostracised over "gender neutral" policies.