Moonlight Graham Posted April 18, 2017 Report Posted April 18, 2017 21 minutes ago, betsy said: All you've stated has been debunked! If it isn't too hard to understand, there wouldn't be any debate about it, and all scientists will have consensus that it's real, and not just some fairy tale. Let's face it. It's macroevolution that looks more myth than Genesis. There are things that support Genesis, whereas nothing supports macro-evolution! You guys who ignore the evidence being presented think and try to "reason" like 9/11 truthers! The same MO. Do you have an academic, scholarly source to debunk the link from Berkeley University I just posted? Blogs and youtube videos don't count, they aren't academic sources. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
betsy Posted April 18, 2017 Author Report Posted April 18, 2017 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: Do you have an academic, scholarly source to debunk the link from Berkeley University I just posted? Blogs and youtube videos don't count, they aren't academic sources. Read the OP. Especially the article. Most of what you've given boil down to adaptation! And oh yes, youtube videos count depending on the message being given, and by whom. Edited April 18, 2017 by betsy Quote
GostHacked Posted April 18, 2017 Report Posted April 18, 2017 58 minutes ago, betsy said: Oh, the silly "arguments" some can come up with..... Have you met your great-great-great -great-great-great grandmother? Maybe, NOBODY IN YOUR FAMILY EVEN TALK ABOUT HER! You don't have a clue how she even looked like. Surely she existed? Furthermore, if God is transcendent, outside of time and space - how do you expect to meet Him? How can He be inside His creation? He's outside of creation, and you're just one of them. It's not a silly argument. It's a valid one for those who use faith more than logic. My great great great (ect)grandmother existed because I do. That can be proven several ways, via lineage, documentation and genetics/dna. I can prove my grandparents existed because of the many photos we have together. With that I can prove to future generations that they existed. That is what we call PROOF. Which there is none for God aside from a book written and re-written by man. Even if you go with the stance of God being transcendent, then there is no way for even you to confirm the existence of God. And my parents created me, which I can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt. Quote
betsy Posted April 18, 2017 Author Report Posted April 18, 2017 (edited) 20 minutes ago, GostHacked said: It's not a silly argument. It's a valid one for those who use faith more than logic. My great great great (ect)grandmother existed because I do. That can be proven several ways, via lineage, documentation and genetics/dna. I can prove my grandparents existed because of the many photos we have together. With that I can prove to future generations that they existed. That is what we call PROOF. Which there is none for God aside from a book written and re-written by man. Even if you go with the stance of God being transcendent, then there is no way for even you to confirm the existence of God. And my parents created me, which I can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt. You say your grandmother exists because you do. So are we, and the universe. Thanks to modern science, you've got cumulative evidence to support that your grandmother exists. Same way that we have cumulative evidence to support the existence of God! You should revisit this thread.... Science is open to the possibility of creation.....why can't you? That's the thing that boggles. If science says the possibility exists ....... Quote "Many religious persons, including many scientists, hold that God created the universe and the various processes driving physical and biological evolution and that these processes then resulted in the creation of galaxies, our solar system, and life on Earth. This belief, which sometimes is termed 'theistic evolution,' is not in disagreement with scientific explanations of evolution. Indeed, it reflects the remarkable and inspiring character of the physical universe revealed by cosmology, paleontology, molecular biology, and many other scientific disciplines." https://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/site/faq.html .........and if you say no it doesn't - then the onus is on you to give your evidence why you say God can't possibly exists. You've got the burden of proof. Edited April 18, 2017 by betsy Quote
eyeball Posted April 18, 2017 Report Posted April 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, betsy said: Science is open to the possibility of creation.....why can't you? That's the thing that boggles. If science is actually 'open' to the possibility its simply due to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle. Its probability that matters however and the probability is so minuscule its ridiculous. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Goddess Posted April 18, 2017 Report Posted April 18, 2017 I'm going to repeat my comment on this thread, as you are still using the same quote in every thread. 1 hour ago, betsy said: Quote "Many religious persons, including many scientists, hold that God created the universe and the various processes driving physical and biological evolution and that these processes then resulted in the creation of galaxies, our solar system, and life on Earth. This belief, which sometimes is termed 'theistic evolution,' is not in disagreement with scientific explanations of evolution. Indeed, it reflects the remarkable and inspiring character of the physical universe revealed by cosmology, paleontology, molecular biology, and many other scientific discipline I don't think this says what you think it says, Betsy. I think it's just saying that if you want to believe that God directed evolution, it wouldn't disagree with science. And if you want to believe that evolution happened without any direction from a God, that belief also does not disagree with science. In other words, we all believe in the evolutionary process. Some attribute it to God, some do not. I think it's a great way for the NAS to state things so as to not completely alienate religious fundies from taking an interest in science. I'm guessing that's probably why they put it in the FAQ's...... I find it interesting that up to this point in time, religious people utterly rejected the idea of evolution. Now that it's proven, they are still trying to make it fit in with a God-scenario. Which is fine. I'm just not sure why it matters to you whether "science" believes in God or not. You're going to believe in God no matter what science discovers. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
betsy Posted April 18, 2017 Author Report Posted April 18, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, eyeball said: If science is actually 'open' to the possibility its simply due to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle. Its probability that matters however and the probability is so minuscule its ridiculous. Hahaha What about the probability of non-existence. It ain't even there! none! If there's even a hint of God existing, non-existence is negated. Don't you get it? And here I have.....cumulative evidence for the possibility of God's existence, ......and you guys have squat! Not even a single evidence to support your belief. You guys believe in fairy tales and magic! Edited April 18, 2017 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted April 18, 2017 Author Report Posted April 18, 2017 (edited) Lest you guys haven't noticed - along with this thread, I've got several threads going, supporting one another. And I have to say that most rebuttals from non-believers, on all threads, are pathetic! Your boat is sinking and you haven't got even a single paddle. Edited April 18, 2017 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted April 18, 2017 Author Report Posted April 18, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Goddess said: I'm going to repeat my comment on this thread, as you are still using the same quote in every thread. I don't think this says what you think it says, Betsy. I think it's just saying that if you want to believe that God directed evolution, it wouldn't disagree with science. And if you want to believe that evolution happened without any direction from a God, that belief also does not disagree with science. In other words, we all believe in the evolutionary process. Some attribute it to God, some do not. I think it's a great way for the NAS to state things so as to not completely alienate religious fundies from taking an interest in science. I'm guessing that's probably why they put it in the FAQ's...... I find it interesting that up to this point in time, religious people utterly rejected the idea of evolution. Now that it's proven, they are still trying to make it fit in with a God-scenario. Which is fine. I'm just not sure why it matters to you whether "science" believes in God or not. You're going to believe in God no matter what science discovers. Oh boy. Trying to downplay, huh? It 's more than just not disagreeing with scientific explanations, goddess. Indeed, it reflects the remarkable and inspiring character of the physical universe revealed by cosmology, paleontology, molecular biology, and many other scientific disciplines." You guys can try to ignore that, but that's what it is. No wonder scientists who are open-minded, have been converting to theism, or Christianity. And a lot of these scientists have been convinced by their own findings! As for macroevolution, why wouldn't we reject something that's simply just fairy tales at this point? How many decades have you guys been looking for the evidence? With all the modern technology now, you'd think we'll be up to our yinyang with evidences for it! And yet.......NOT EVEN A SINGLE ONE! All they give you as so-called "evidence" are......assumptions! Edited April 18, 2017 by betsy Quote
GostHacked Posted April 18, 2017 Report Posted April 18, 2017 1 hour ago, betsy said: All they give you as so-called "evidence" are......assumptions! You have a lot of assumptions yourself. Even if you have a God that is beyond space and time, there is no way for you to show me that such an entity exists. What you have is faith, a belief. And that's fine. But you cannot use science to prove something that cannot be described via science. 1 Quote
GostHacked Posted April 19, 2017 Report Posted April 19, 2017 Two questions Can one prove fairies exist? No. Can one prove fairies do not exist? No. This is the 'God' dilemma. Quote
Guest Posted April 19, 2017 Report Posted April 19, 2017 10 hours ago, betsy said: But, why are children drawn to think of God as the explanation. That's the point. It shows humans are "hardwired" to God. No, they are hardwired to simple explanations that mean they don't have to to think about it anymore. Quote
eyeball Posted April 19, 2017 Report Posted April 19, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, betsy said: Hahaha What about the probability of non-existence. It ain't even there! none! If there's even a hint of God existing, non-existence is negated. Don't you get it? I certainly get what you're saying however ill-informed it is. Quote And here I have.....cumulative evidence for the possibility of God's existence. ......and you guys have squat! Not even a single evidence to support your belief. You guys believe in fairy tales and magic! No, what we have is disbelief and the willpower it takes to resist suspending it without physical evidence that can be derived and examined objectively - not something you've demonstrated much of a capacity for doing. Edited April 19, 2017 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
betsy Posted April 19, 2017 Author Report Posted April 19, 2017 10 hours ago, eyeball said: I certainly get what you're saying however ill-informed it is. No, what we have is disbelief and the willpower it takes to resist suspending it without physical evidence that can be derived and examined objectively - not something you've demonstrated much of a capacity for doing. Merely saying "nay" without offering any explanation as to why, is not a rebuttal. Quote
betsy Posted April 19, 2017 Author Report Posted April 19, 2017 (edited) 11 hours ago, GostHacked said: Two questions Can one prove fairies exist? No. Can one prove fairies do not exist? No. This is the 'God' dilemma. It's all about evidence, Gosthacked. You've been ignoring this: I've said this before, and I'll say it again: So, just like in any investigation - if you have the fingerprint of the suspect, his blood samples, fibers from his clothes, his voice samples, or/and his dna - all cumulative evidence against the suspect - they all point to him, the verdict is reached! He is found guilty. You can't respond to one evidence here, and ignore all the rest. They become a package deal. So don't tell me there's no evidence! We have CUMULATIVE evidence for the existence of God! Edited April 19, 2017 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted April 19, 2017 Author Report Posted April 19, 2017 (edited) 13 hours ago, GostHacked said: You have a lot of assumptions yourself. Even if you have a God that is beyond space and time, there is no way for you to show me that such an entity exists. What you have is faith, a belief. And that's fine. But you cannot use science to prove something that cannot be described via science. The possibility of God's existence is backed by cumulative evidence. That makes it no mere assumption. The belief that there's no God, is what's simply an assumption - a petulant assumption despite the cumulative evidence that nuked it. You have nothing to base your assumption at all. It's just something you pulled out of thin air..... Edited April 19, 2017 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted April 19, 2017 Author Report Posted April 19, 2017 I suppose you guys have abandoned defending your macroevolution. Quote
GostHacked Posted April 19, 2017 Report Posted April 19, 2017 39 minutes ago, betsy said: It's all about evidence, Gosthacked. You've been ignoring this: I've said this before, and I'll say it again: So, just like in any investigation - if you have the fingerprint of the suspect, his blood samples, fibers from his clothes, his voice samples, or/and his dna - all cumulative evidence against the suspect - they all point to him, the verdict is reached! He is found guilty. You can't respond to one evidence here, and ignore all the rest. They become a package deal. So don't tell me there's no evidence! We have CUMULATIVE evidence for the existence of God! You may have all that evidence but yet you can't get a conviction because, there is no one to arrest. That's your dilemma. I am not ignoring you, I am telling you where your logic fails because all you have is faith, which is fine. What you claim as cumulative is not scientific evidence at all. North American natives and eskimos have more proof of their spirit animals than you have for God. That's just how it is. You lost before you started. But yet you keep trolling hoping to get an admission. Put me on ignore, be done with it and move the F on. Quote
betsy Posted April 19, 2017 Author Report Posted April 19, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, GostHacked said: You may have all that evidence but yet you can't get a conviction because, there is no one to arrest. That's your dilemma. I am not ignoring you, I am telling you where your logic fails because all you have is faith, which is fine. What you claim as cumulative is not scientific evidence at all. North American natives and eskimos have more proof of their spirit animals than you have for God. That's just how it is. You lost before you started. They know who the "culprit" is! You won't even be able to start looking for anyone if you don't know who's done it! Therefore, it's you who'd lost with that silly argument. Quote But yet you keep trolling hoping to get an admission. Put me on ignore, be done with it and move the F on. It's not my problem if you are unable to resist coming to my threads. You're the one with a big problem. Your reasoning is warped (as usual). If you can't manage to control yourself, and resist coming to me..... you put me on ignore. Edited April 19, 2017 by betsy Quote
GostHacked Posted April 19, 2017 Report Posted April 19, 2017 54 minutes ago, betsy said: They know who the "culprit" is! You won't even be able to start looking for anyone if you don't know who's done it! Therefore, it's you who'd lost with that silly argument. It's not my problem if you are unable to resist coming to my threads. You're the one with a big problem. Your reasoning is warped (as usual). If you can't manage to control yourself, and resist coming to me..... you put me on ignore. Do you believe in the Devil?? Aka Satan? Quote
eyeball Posted April 19, 2017 Report Posted April 19, 2017 4 hours ago, betsy said: Merely saying "nay" without offering any explanation as to why, is not a rebuttal. I did give you an explanation - I'm unwilling to suspend my disbelief in the absence of physical evidence. Rebut that. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
betsy Posted April 19, 2017 Author Report Posted April 19, 2017 2 hours ago, eyeball said: I did give you an explanation - I'm unwilling to suspend my disbelief in the absence of physical evidence. Rebut that. No you did not give anything. Quote
betsy Posted April 19, 2017 Author Report Posted April 19, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, GostHacked said: Do you believe in the Devil?? Aka Satan? You still here? I believe Satan exists. But of course, we're talking belief, right? Edited April 19, 2017 by betsy Quote
GostHacked Posted April 19, 2017 Report Posted April 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, betsy said: You still here? I believe Satan exists. But of course, we're talking belief, right? Well, Satan exists, and I can prove that, wanna see how that works? Quote
betsy Posted April 19, 2017 Author Report Posted April 19, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, GostHacked said: Well, Satan exists, and I can prove that, wanna see how that works? Uhh.....no thanks. You're having great difficulty about the evidence supporting God existence, and you're on to another supernatural? Not interested in your rambling. Right now, your credibility with this subject is zilch. Don't slam the door on your way out. Bye. Edited April 19, 2017 by betsy Quote
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