Coyne gives a refresher on Trudeaus 'Senate Reform'

[Smallc]

What hidden agenda?

Edited May 9, 2016 by Smallc

[PIK]

Just pay attention.

[Smallc]

That's not an answer.

[waldo]

Just pay attention.

apparently... your claimed PM Trudeau 'hidden agenda' is so hidden you can't even speak to it!

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[marcus]

guys, guys... I be likin' it! The smallish government advocate calls for adding another dozen or so persons to the advisory board choosing and presenting candidates for the Senate... cause those Order of Canada types, those academic types, those wrong discipline PhD types, those native types, those visible minority types, those LGBTQ types, those medical specialist types, those lawyer types, those public-service types, those musician types, those media types, those Quebecers!!!... they're all the wrong types! And, apparently, principally Liberal (maybe a smattering of NDP) supporters. Oh my!

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I see no Old Stock Canadian types.

[waldo]

I see no Old Stock Canadian types.

oh snap! That must be what they were getting at in wanting a more representative advisory board... some crossover, but angry old white guy is a subset of old-stock Canadian guy.

I'm sure if the guys comment on this list of the 7 new Senate appointees, we'll see them coming around to the new process... I'm sure of it! Note: 4 women are among the 7 appointments... cause it's 2016!

1. Peter Harder (Ont.)

Trudeau appointed Peter Harder as the government's representative in the Senate to work with Liberal House Leader Dominic Leblanc to ensure legislation gets tabled through the Senate. Harder, who managed the Liberal transition to government, will be sworn in as a privy councillor allowing him to sit in on cabinet meetings when necessary. He spent 29 years in the federal public service, including 16 years as a deputy minister and four years as the personal representative of the prime minister to three G8 Summits.

2. Justice Murray Sinclair (Man.)

He was the first aboriginal judge appointed in Manitoba and only the second in Canada. He was the chief commissioner of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, which investigated the legacy of the residential school system and delivered a landmark report in 2015.

3. Chantal Peticlerc (Que.)

She has won over 20 medals for Canada in the sport of wheelchair racing, beginning at the 1992 Paralympic Games in Barcelona. She is chef de mission for Canada's team at the 2016 Paralympic Games in Rio de Janeiro.

4. Raymonde Gagné (MB)

She has worked in education for over 35 years. She served as president of Université de Saint-Boniface from 2003 to 2014. She was responsible for the college obtaining full university status and has been honoured for increasing the range of educational opportunities available in French in Manitoba.

5. Frances Lankin (Ont.)

Most recently, Lankin spent 10 years running the United Way in Toronto, taking that job after years as an NDP cabinet minister and MPP in Ontario. From 2009 to 2016, she was a member of the Security Intelligence Review Committee, the oversight body for the country's security agencies.

6. Ratna Omidvar (Ont.)

Recognized globally for her contributions to increasing the inclusion of immigrants, she is currently the founding executive director of a think tank at Ryerson University's school of management that focuses on diversity, migration and inclusion. She is the chair of Lifeline Syria, which seeks to bring 1,000 privately sponsored Syrian refugees to Toronto. She also serves on the boards of the Centre for Mental Health and Addiction, The Environics Institute, and Samara.

7. André Pratte (Que.)

Author and journalist, he spent 14 years as editor-in-chief of the Quebec daily paper La Presse. He is one of the founders of a Quebec think tank on federalism.

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[PIK]

Old stock is what built the great country, now the new stock is ruining it. I am getting tired of the white guilt the left in this country suffers from.

[waldo]

Old stock is what built the great country, now the new stock is ruining it. I am getting tired of the white guilt the left in this country suffers from.

care to identify the make-up of "new stock" and % proportions therein? Just who has your claimed "white guilt"... and how widespread do you recognize it as... do you have a percentage of just how many "suffering white Canadians of the left persuasion" there are?

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[overthere]

Old stock?

This bunch is the 'New Stack'.

[Big Guy]

Old stock?

This bunch is the 'New Stack'.

This what "old stock" means to the leader of these bigots and racists:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-harper-debate-1.3233785

I thought we got rid of that crap when we got rid of their leader but like zombies they appear to be able spew their hate even as they wander through normal society.

[eyeball]

It's more like a bad gene that persists over time.

Edited May 11, 2016 by eyeball

[cybercoma]

Old stock is what built the great country, now the new stock is ruining it. I am getting tired of the white guilt the left in this country suffers from.

Lower crime, higher life expectancy, lower infant mortality rates, one of the G7 nations......

Yeah. What utter devastation this nation is facing. We're definitely headed in the "wrong" direction. /s

[andromeda]

if trudeau really wanted to pick an advisory board representative of all Canadians he might have started with an unemployed oil worker. where are the businessmen, the armed forces, healthcare, and police representatives? trudeau is an elitist. he believes that only Quebecers are capable of governing Canada. many of the picks are elitist or those with agendas. there are no real surprises.

Edited May 11, 2016 by andromeda

[andromeda]

at least there's no cbc'ers. of course they were bought off for a few hundred million at election time.

[overthere]

if trudeau really wanted to pick an advisory board representative of all Canadians he might have started with an unemployed oil worker. where are the businessmen, the armed forces, healthcare, and police representatives? trudeau is an elitist. he believes that only Quebecers are capable of governing Canada. many of the picks are elitist or those with agendas. there are no real surprises.

Thats crazy talk. Some of those people might not vote Liberal.

Academics are much safer when implementing the old Liberal 'more of the same' agenda.

1. Peter Harder (Ont.)

Trudeau appointed Peter Harder as the government's representative in the Senate to work with Liberal House Leader Dominic Leblanc to ensure legislation gets tabled through the Senate. Harder, who managed the Liberal transition to government, will be sworn in as a privy councillor allowing him to sit in on cabinet meetings when necessary. He spent 29 years in the federal public service, including 16 years as a deputy minister and four years as the personal representative of the prime minister to three G8 Summits.

I just love the Orwellian doublespeak here. Why don't they cut the crap and just call Harder the Liberal Senate leader? Its great that he can go to Cabinet ,meetings and get his instructions directly from his masters some complete strangers.

And who would have guessed that a guy who managed the LIberal transition would coincidentally be their first pick as a non partisan Senator? What a coincidence!

[overthere]

at least there's no cbc'ers. of course they were bought off for a few hundred million at election time.

There are still many more non partisan Liberals to be appointed. You know it is coming. Be patient.

I wonder if anybody has approached the Duffster about crossing the floor to the non Liberal side? He'll do it for expense money.

[waldo]

at least there's no cbc'ers. of course they were bought off for a few hundred million at election time.

say what! Eight of the ten current members of the CBC Board of Directors were all appointed by Harper... all eight are or have been financial contributors to the Conservative Party of Canada. Bloody hell, where was the advisory panel for those CBC Board appointments Harper made?

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[waldo]

I wonder if anybody has approached the Duffster about crossing the floor to the non Liberal side? He'll do it for expense money.

please stay focused on the thread topic - no one here wants to rehash the failed Senate appointments Harper made! By the by, just who did the Harper legwork to bring forward all those Senate candidates presented to Harper... or did Harper do that all himself, yes?

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[waldo]

I just love the Orwellian doublespeak here. Why don't they cut the crap and just call Harder the Liberal Senate leader? Its great that he can go to Cabinet ,meetings and get his instructions directly from his masters some complete strangers.

And who would have guessed that a guy who managed the LIberal transition would coincidentally be their first pick as a non partisan Senator? What a coincidence!

waldo talking point correction: Peter Harder spent 29 years in the federal public service... with his most significant and profiled positions being within the Conservative Clark and Mulroney governments. He has been outside of government since 2007, working in the private sector until asked to oversee the transition of the newly elected 2015 Liberal party into governance... apparently the Liberal party felt he had some experience in that regard!

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[overthere]

By the by, just who did the Harper legwork to bring forward all those Senate candidates presented to Harper... or did Harper do that all himself, yes?

I don't recall Harper trumpeting a "TRANSPARENT PROCESS".

Oh unless you mean the elected -within -provinces Senator process, which the Liberals denounced.

I can see why you'd love the notion of Liberal appointees appointing non patisan Seantors that only vote Liberal. It's damned diverse.

And poor Junior must have wet his drawers whn he arrived in Ottawa to find 25 empty seats in the Senate. Now how can he pump those chairs full of Liberal bums, while pretending otherwise.

Oh right.....like this.

Because it is 2016.

oversee the transition of the newly elected 2015 Liberal party into governance...

ah i see. Harder is not a Liberal like none of the Liberal Senators are not Liberals. Gotcha.

Edited May 11, 2016 by overthere

[waldo]

And poor Junior

danger, verboten, verboten... as you're well aware, this improper use of the generational suffix is not allowed on MLW!

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[waldo]

note: again, quoting statements and purposely removing the name of the MLW member being quoted is, of course, following a purposeful step/action to do so. Again, it doesn't allow for a MLW member to leverage the notification support function to be alerted that a post of theirs has been quoted. And, of course, unless a quoted member happens to recognize his/her words were quoted, no opportunity to reply... a situation that certainly does not lend itself to continued and expanded upon MLW discussion. As I've been on the purposeful end of past "name gleaning" quotes, and only realized I'd been quoted "days later", I've taken up opportunities to highlight this most unfortunate practice being followed.

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[waldo]

I don't recall Harper trumpeting a "TRANSPARENT PROCESS".

are you talking about the Harper Senate reform intent that went no where... or the expressed Harper reservations about appointing Senators... followed up Harper appointing, in the "good ole' fashioned way", count em... 56 Senators!

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[overthere]

are you talking about the Harper Senate reform intent that went no where..

No I'm talking about Trudeau, who no doubt regrets impetuously booting out all those handy LIberal Senators from his caucus, followed up by Harper not filling 24 Senate seats with Cons. Harper did not even fill them up with people pretending not to be Cons.

Now that does create a problem for Trudeau......

He has to fill them with Liberals, of course. But then he foolishly went and kicked all the Liberal Senators out of his caucus. How is he going to get all that new legislation passed?

Now he has to go ahead with this goofy charade of having 'Non Liberals' appointed by Liberals appointees pretending not to pick Liberals who won't be called lIberals but will always vote Liberal, and they too will be appointed by people that are not pretending not to be Liberal.

This all sounds more confusing that it is, just remember that Trudeau has to get that deck stacked with his folks and soon, before he tries to ram the 'electoral reform' down our throats. Ok, he doesn't give a rats ass about our throats or what he stuffs into the other end of the digestive tract. But he does want to diddle with getting elected in 2019- and do it in 2017. He just threw some chum in the water with the transgender legsialtion, he wants the Cons to get all shirty about it and deny passage.

But so far they have not bitten. If they slowed or stopped it in Senate, he would have his Hitkler-invading-Poland pretext to 'Gee what can I do but just appoint my friends and stop this insolence in the Senate?' moment. He'll have to find another red herring.