Israeli War Crimes

[GostHacked]

Israel has never started any of the Arab-Israeli Wars. That makes the Arabs the aggressors.

The conflict started before the new Israel was created.

I wonder if Israel took everything over in the M.E. would they be seen as aggressors.

[GostHacked]

What difference does that make to any discussion involving their behaviour?

It has no bearing, but I thought some clarification was needed. Persians are not Arabs. It would be like calling a Canadian a Brit.

[Argus]

I congratulate you with posting with such confidence, however, there is your ignorance again.

World Press Freedom Ranking 2016, ranks Israel at 106th in the world. That's behind Bolivia, Lebanon and East Timor.

Because the liberals who rank it are upset about Palestinians. Doesn't change the fact Israel has a free press while any journalist in the Palestinian territories or Iran can be tortured and executed for going against the party line. But you know this very well. You simply don't care, because only Jews are bad.

[DogOnPorch]

The conflict started before the new Israel was created.

I wonder if Israel took everything over in the M.E. would they be seen as aggressors.

Again....the Arabs threw the first punch with al-Husseini's big pogrom after becoming Grand Mufti (Nebi Musa 1920)...a move the British rubber-stamped as they thought they could control him.

[GostHacked]

Again....the Arabs threw the first punch with al-Husseini's big pogrom after becoming Grand Mufti (Nebi Musa 1920)...a move the British rubber-stamped as they thought they could control him.

OH right, the Mufti, thanks for the constant reminder.

So Jews move in take over the land, call it Israel and everyone else should shut the f up and just be happy about it. Got it.

[DogOnPorch]

It has no bearing, but I thought some clarification was needed. Persians are not Arabs. It would be like calling a Canadian a Brit.

Both tend to be majority Muslim....thus the similarities. The main difference being Shites think Ali was Muhammad's successor rather than Abu Bakr.

[DogOnPorch]

OH right, the Mufti, thanks for the constant reminder.

So Jews move in take over the land, call it Israel and everyone else should shut the f up and just be happy about it. Got it.

He's not going to go away. He's part of history.

[GostHacked]

He's not going to go away. He's part of history.

But of course, you need to keep reminding us. Thanks for your .... contribution?

[kactus]

But of course, you need to keep reminding us. Thanks for your .... contribution?

HeHe contribution. Love the irony!

[DogOnPorch]

But of course, you need to keep reminding us. Thanks for your .... contribution?

He's the founder of the Palestinian Cause. His nephew, Yasser Arafat took over the Palestinian Cause after the Mufti's retirement.

Why deny history?

Edited May 15, 2016 by DogOnPorch

[GostHacked]

Both tend to be majority Muslim....thus the similarities. The main difference being Shites think Ali was Muhammad's successor rather than Abu Bakr.

Then they are Persian Muslims,, or Muslim Persians. Or actually to be more specific, Sunni Muslim Persians.

[GostHacked]

He's the founder of the Palestinian Cause. His nephew, Yasser Arafat took over the Palestinian Cause after the Mufti's retirement.

Why deny history?

Again, thanks for the history lesson, one you are an expert on and keep educating us in the right direction.

[DogOnPorch]

Then they are Persian Muslims,, or Muslim Persians. Or actually to be more specific, Sunni Muslim Persians.

Persians tend to be Shia, GH.

[GostHacked]

Persians tend to be Shia, GH.

Ahh, so you understand the point I was making. Good job.

[DogOnPorch]

Again, thanks for the history lesson, one you are an expert on and keep educating us in the right direction.

Good. Perhaps folks should think twice about supporting a group that was started by an SS man. Don't you think?

[DogOnPorch]

Ahh, so you understand the point I was making. Good job.

What point is that? That you called Iranians Sunni? That was incorrect.

[kactus]

I think I'm qualified to pass judgement on religious fanatics and their violent behaviour without regard to whether they're Arabs, Persions, or whatever.

Unlike you, I'm not fixated on Jews to the exclusion of all else.

It is YOUR fixation with Iran and human rights records there as an scapegoat for policies of your beloved Bibi. Why should I or any knowledgable person about that region take what you say seriously when you cannot even get right that Persians are not arabs. It shows lack of credibility in your argument.

[DogOnPorch]

It is YOUR fixation with Iran and human rights records there as an scapegoat for policies of your beloved Bibi. Why should I or any knowledgable person about that region take what you say seriously when you cannot even get right that Persians are not arabs. It shows lack of credibility in your argument.

Israel's greatest war crime is not losing each time the Arabs invaded. If Israel loses a war, there will be a second Holocaust. And if it's eliminated, folks like yourself won't be leading the "Bring Back Israel....Boycott Palestine" movement.

[Scott Mayers]

This is pure nonsense. You can suggest such things about opinions but not absolute fact. For example, Iran has the death penalty, and executes more people and more children than anyone on Earth except China. The Palestinians execute people as well, and both states execute people for other than murder, which is the only executable offense left in the West. Both states have well-documented abuses of torture and extra-judicial murder against prisoners. Neither Palestine nor Iran has a free media, but Israel does. Neither has an independent court system, but Israel does.

And HOW do you determine your 'facts' if you can't trust that places like Iran as able to communicate this through some form of media that is trusted? All you could revert to is your assumed faith in external hearsay media that is defaulted to desiring support to go to war against Iran. It makes such supposed claims of Iran, whether potentially true or not, liable to distrust as propaganda. What is considered 'free' media is simply media we are capable of receiving. But when or where you dislike it, you dismiss such media as irrelevant with an accusation of it being Anti-Jewish/Anti-Semite propaganda.

You appear to simply favor Israeli-Judaic ideals with disrespect to Muslim ones for personal biases. At least some, like bush_cheney2004 here, simply agrees to her bias in this way rather openly. Accepting the side your on for selfish reasons does not violate the logic. But pretending that one 'side' is somehow Superior versus the other as Inferior places a greater burden on you to digress into the nature of what you believe is or is not 'morally' correct or not. So...

What are you basing your ethics on here? This might help to understand first off what you actually find 'good' or 'bad'.

[bush_cheney2004]

....You appear to simply favor Israeli-Judaic ideals with disrespect to Muslim ones for personal biases. At least some, like bush_cheney2004 here, simply agrees to her bias in this way rather openly.

It's not a bias...it's reality....perhaps I will start another thread about Palestinian "war crimes" to explain this further and offer a more balanced perspective for your "bias".

[Scott Mayers]

It's not a bias...it's reality....perhaps I will start another thread about Palestinian "war crimes" to explain this further and offer a more balanced perspective for your "bias".

Why not defer to a political philosophy thread instead? I started that one on Nationalism, but you can begin one on something more general, if this doesn't appeal to you. The problem here has to begin with philosophy of our differences of politics. It doesn't help to understand one another if you cannot get to the core of each other's ideas of what is or is not moral. The FACTS here lack meaning when one has some view based on evaluating X as 'good' when the other believes it 'bad' without realizing they disagree on the basis of morality.

[DogOnPorch]

Why not list some Israeli war crimes?

[bush_cheney2004]

Quote: Why not defer to a political philosophy thread instead? I started that one on Nationalism, but you can begin one on something more general, if this doesn't appeal to you.

This topic is about "Israeli War Crimes".....not about morality or religion or nationalism.

I'm not aware of too many things
I know what I know if you know what I mean
Philosophy is the talk on a cereal box
Religion is the smile on a dog

Edie Brickell & The New Bohemians

Edited May 15, 2016 by bush_cheney2004

[jacee]

Israel has never started any of the Arab-Israeli Wars. That makes the Arabs the aggressors.

You just keep telling yourself that with your hands over your ears.

But don't expect intelligent people to agree.

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[marcus]

Because the liberals who rank it are upset about Palestinians.

What nonsense.

You don't know how to handle anything that smashes your ignorant and narrow views. That's your problem.