Still Going to Buy the F-35, Really?

[rotary]

Like when PM Harper's Canada waltzed into the Boeing Store and handed the sole source contract for C-17 heavy lift aircraft without so much taxpayer consideration, jumping in line, and taking production orders from the United States Air Force ?

Could that have added to why he is no longer PM?

[bush_cheney2004]

Could that have added to why he is no longer PM?

Probably not, as the sole source Boeing contract negotiation was started in 2006 and signed off in 2007 for C-17s. PM Harper stuck around until 2015. DART deployments to world disasters would no longer be embarrassing for Canada.

Edited March 24, 2016 by bush_cheney2004

[rotary]

Probably not, as the sole source Boeing contract negotiation was started in 2006 and signed off in 2007 for C-17s. PM Harper stuck around until 2015. DART deployments to world disasters would no longer be embarrassing for Canada.

Trying to single source bomb trucks turned out to be quite an embarrassment, especially after the auditor general got done with him.

[bush_cheney2004]

Trying to single source bomb trucks turned out to be quite an embarrassment, especially after the auditor general got done with him.

Canadian Forces in Afghanistan probably didn't complain that the CC-177's cost too much. Especially when they brought fallen soldiers home in casualty containers.

[rotary]

Canadian Forces in Afghanistan probably didn't complain that the CC-177's cost too much. Especially when they brought fallen soldiers home in casualty containers.

I think you have slid well off topic here haven't you.

[bush_cheney2004]

I think you have slid well off topic here haven't you.

Maybe...maybe not...that's what this is really about...a military procurement for Canadian Forces. They are the ones who ultimately have to live with the cheap, loonie pinching policies. Was there a big competition for Iltis jeeps too ?

[rotary]

Maybe...maybe not...that's what this is really about...a military procurement for Canadian Forces. They are the ones who ultimately have to live with the cheap, loonie pinching policies. Was there a big competition for Iltis jeeps too ?

Again, billions for a plane that is reported can't turn, can't accelerate, and can't hide. You go ahead and slap your money on the table for that kind of (lack of) performance if you want. I'll look forward to how the competition turns out first.

[bush_cheney2004]

Again, billions for a plane that is reported can't turn, can't accelerate, and can't hide. You go ahead and slap your money on the table for that kind of (lack of) performance if you want. I'll look forward to how the competition turns out first.

There have been other aircraft available long before the F-35....Canada didn't move on any of them. There are now more F-35s than Canada's entire active CF-188 fleet. Saab took their Gripen and went home, refusing to play Canada's contract games.

http://www.airforce-technology.com/news/newssaab-withdraws-from-rcafs-cf-18-fighter-replacement-programme

[rotary]

There have been other aircraft available long before the F-35....Canada didn't move on any of them. There are now more F-35s than Canada's entire active CF-188 fleet. Saab took their Gripen and went home, refusing to play Canada's contract games.

http://www.airforce-technology.com/news/newssaab-withdraws-from-rcafs-cf-18-fighter-replacement-programme

And perhaps if you read the article you would see they plan to re evaluate based on the firming of Canada's requirements. Pretty much indicates they will come to the competition party, which I'm sure the GoC will welcome.

[bush_cheney2004]

And perhaps if you read the article you would see they plan to re evaluate based on the firming of Canada's requirements. Pretty much indicates they will come to the competition party, which I'm sure the GoC will welcome.

Sure they will....it's fun to play the Canadian military procurement game. Lot's of talk....very little action.

[rotary]

Sure they will....it's fun to play the Canadian military procurement game. Lot's of talk....very little action.

All will be revealed in the fullness of time.

[bush_cheney2004]

All will be revealed in the fullness of time.

True, but production lines for other aircraft choices will be shutting down, resulting in less competition and a higher price anyway.

[rotary]

True, but production lines for other aircraft choices will be shutting down, resulting in less competition and a higher price anyway.

Oh it looks like there is still a lot of life in the Super Hornet production line.

[bush_cheney2004]

Oh it looks like there is still a lot of life in the Super Hornet production line.

But that means, again by inaction and defaulted choice, Canada would be buying a U.S. Navy carrier based strike fighter...again.

So much for competitive fly-offs and contract bids.

[rotary]

But that means, again by inaction and defaulted choice, Canada would be buying a U.S. Navy carrier based strike fighter...again.

So much for competitive fly-offs and contract bids.

That's assuming they exceed the guidelines of the competition.

[bush_cheney2004]

That's assuming they exceed the guidelines of the competition.

But that's the joke....waiting only reduces any such pretense. Guidelines and competition become moot, just like they did when the CF-188 was procured. No matter...the world moves on.

[rotary]

But that's the joke....waiting only reduces any such pretense. Guidelines and competition become moot, just like they did when the CF-188 was procured. No matter...the world moves on.

Well I think a competition for the spending of such huge amounts of taxpayer money, with the intent to provide our military with proper equipment, is neither a joke or a pretense. But then, I'm Canadian.

[Argus]

People please, just dumb down the issue from all the rhetoric. The only plane we need to satisfy our own national needs and our needs for our NATO treaty can be met by the Latest edition of the f-18.

True! This year. What about twenty years from now? Thirty? Forty? The new fighter will still be in operation then. We're not merely buying a plane to satisfy our needs now, but in the future.

[Argus]

Could that have added to why he is no longer PM?

No, that worked out very well. We got the planes we wanted in very quick order.

As opposed to the interminable years and years of expensive delays in procuring helicopters and fighters.

[rotary]

No, that worked out very well. We got the planes we wanted in very quick order.

As opposed to the interminable years and years of expensive delays in procuring helicopters and fighters.

What planes is that? A few Herc's and 4 C 17's. How many do you think were procured under Trudeau, and how many years and how much money has Harper piddled away on the F 35 debacle?

[bush_cheney2004]

What planes is that? A few Herc's and 4 C 17's. How many do you think were procured under Trudeau, and how many years and how much money has Harper piddled away on the F 35 debacle?

Canada procured a 5th Boeing C-17 in 2014. Canada's Tier 3 partnership for the F-35 JSF program was started by a Liberal government (PM Chretien).

[rotary]

Canada procured a 5th Boeing C-17 in 2014. Canada's Tier 3 partnership for the F-35 JSF program was started by a Liberal government (PM Chretien).

And likely ended by one. (PM Trudeau).

[bush_cheney2004]

And likely ended by one. (PM Trudeau).

No, that's the funny part. The Right Honourable Justin P. J. Trudeau want's to have it both ways, trying to keep existing F-35 JSF subcontractor jobs in Canada.

[rotary]

No, that's the funny part. The Right Honourable Justin P. J. Trudeau want's to have it both ways, trying to keep existing F-35 JSF subcontractor jobs in Canada.

Which will likely continue whether or not the 35 is successful in a proper competition.

[bush_cheney2004]

Which will likely continue whether or not the 35 is successful in a proper competition.

When is the proper competition scheduled to happen ?