Argus Posted February 9, 2016 Report Posted February 9, 2016 How do you feel about Christie's premise, that being a Governor is more relevant experience for the job? -k Well, at least Christie has actually run something. I mean, running a big state is some experience for running a country. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Derek 2.0 Posted February 9, 2016 Report Posted February 9, 2016 Well, at least Christie has actually run something. I mean, running a big state is some experience for running a country. By that measure, Palin would make a better President than Clinton, Sanders, Rubio or Cruz..... Quote
Shady Posted February 9, 2016 Report Posted February 9, 2016 How do you feel about Christie's premise, that being a Governor is more relevant experience for the job? -k I think it matters in some cases, but not as a blanket rule. There have been many good presidents that haven't been governors. Quote
Shady Posted February 9, 2016 Report Posted February 9, 2016 Rubio's getting a bad rap for his insistance about experience not being the cause of Obama's problems. But the mainstream media has already put their finger on the scale so he'll probably have a tough time finishing above third place in New Hampshire. The way it looks now, it'll be Trump, followed by Kasich, followed by Bush and then Rubio or Cruz. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted February 9, 2016 Report Posted February 9, 2016 I think it matters in some cases, but not as a blanket rule. There have been many good presidents that haven't been governors. How is that? Less than half of US Presidents were Governors prior, with more coming from Congress and the Senate.........for every Reagan, FDR and Jefferson, there is a Lincoln, JFK, Truman and Jackson coming from the Congress or Senate (or both in the case of JFK)...... I think the point, and to answer Kimmy's question, is that it depends on the individual...........well also noting that both George Washington and Ike, had no prior experience in elected office......... Quote
Argus Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 By that measure, Palin would make a better President than Clinton, Sanders, Rubio or Cruz..... Palin only ran Alaska, most of which is owned by the federal government anyway, and which has a population less than the city of Ottawa. Clinton ran the US state department, budget $65 billion Michael Bloomberg now, he's run things... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Derek 2.0 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) Palin only ran Alaska, Replace Palin with Grey Davis or Ric Perry then.......point still stands. Michael Bloomberg now, he's run things... Bloomberg would be to the Democrats, what Perot was to the Republicans in 1992... Edited February 10, 2016 by Derek 2.0 Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 Replace Palin with Grey Davis or Ric Perry then.......point still stands. Bloomberg would be to the Democrats, what Perot was to the Republicans in 1992... Bloomberg would be so fascinating to follow. I hope he enters the race. He crosses boundaries between republicans and democrats that it would be simply breathtaking. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Derek 2.0 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 Bloomberg would be so fascinating to follow. I hope he enters the race. He crosses boundaries between republicans and democrats that it would be simply breathtaking. Bloomberg = a GOP win.......I hope he enters the race too....and so does Trump. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 Bloomberg = a GOP win.......I hope he enters the race too....and so does Trump. Why would trump like it? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Derek 2.0 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 Why would trump like it? Because Bloomberg's stances on policies mimic a center left Democrat and would split the vote........The Republicans could win with Ted Cruz. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 Because Bloomberg's stances on policies mimic a center left Democrat and would split the vote........The Republicans could win with Ted Cruz.How would that benefit trump. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Derek 2.0 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 How would that benefit trump. As I said above, a three-way Sanders/Clinton vs Bloomberg vs a Trump equals a Republican win.....as Bloomberg, based on his stances on social issues and gun rights etc would take more voters from the Democrats then the Republicans, allowing the Republicans to cinch purple States and pair off blue States. Quote
BC_chick Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 Why would trump like it? Because Bloomberg is supposed to drain the votes from Democrats. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
WestCoastRunner Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 As I said above, a three-way Sanders/Clinton vs Bloomberg vs a Trump equals a Republican win.....as Bloomberg, based on his stances on social issues and gun rights etc would take more voters from the Democrats then the Republicans, allowing the Republicans to cinch purple States and pair off blue States. But how would that benefit trump. It would seem to me that Bloomberg would trump trump. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Derek 2.0 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 But how would that benefit trump. It would seem to me that Bloomberg would trump trump. It would split the center-center left vote, giving "swing States" to the Republicans, well making the Republicans competitive in traditionally Democrat held States.....hence, it would see the Republicans win hands down, and that would help Trump (assuming he wins the Republican nomination). Quote
BC_chick Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) But how would that benefit trump. It would seem to me that Bloomberg would trump trump. He's fiscally-conservative, socially-liberal. He would take the votes from a democrats who are too uncomfortable voting for Sanders' fiscal policies. Trump, on the other hand, pretty much has the Republican vote. Edited February 10, 2016 by BC_chick Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
GostHacked Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 Last debate Rubio got blasted by Christie. And it looks like a smart play by Trump to not participate in participate in the next debates, He is really killing it up there. But he is quite repetitive. Cruz is robotic and practiced in every word, reminds me of Bush Jr. just weird. Carson seems natural, and quite calm. So, anyways seems like it will come down to Trump and Sanders. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 He's fiscally-conservative, socially-liberal. He would take the votes from a democrats who are too uncomfortable voting for Sanders' fiscal policies. Exactly and would hand swing States (Florida, Ohio etc) to the Republicans, and could make Blue States Purple.......it would be a huge Republican win. Inversely, Bloomberg doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell in the Republican States, namely the South, Texas and the fly-over States. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 So, anyways seems like it will come down to Trump and Sanders. I wouldn't be so sure.....Trump won the Republican primary tonight with ~1/3rd of the GOP vote, in a State that allows independents (and those switching parties) to vote..... Quote
BC_chick Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) Inversely, Bloomberg doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell in the Republican States, namely the South, Texas and the fly-over States.Trump may not be socially conservative but his anti-Mexican/anti-Muslim rhetoric is enough to seal the deal for the Republican vote. Some of the things he says are irrational and unfeasible (he'd ban Muslims from even visiting the US), but it's a genius strategy. There is no way someone that irrational would become as successful in life as he did, but he's appealing to the Republican base and locking in their support. He knows exactly what he's doing and it's working. Bloomberg wouldn't have a chance bleeding Republican votes from Trump on the xenophobia alone. Edited February 10, 2016 by BC_chick Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
GostHacked Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 I wouldn't be so sure.....Trump won the Republican primary tonight with ~1/3rd of the GOP vote, in a State that allows independents (and those switching parties) to vote..... I suspect that number to increase for Trump once a couple of the others end up dropping out. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 Trump may not be socially conservative but his anti-Mexican/anti-Muslim rhetoric is enough to seal the deal for the Republican vote. Some of the things he says are irrational and unfeasible (he'd ban Muslims from even visiting the US), but it's a genius strategy. Trump is "winning" with only 1/3rd of the GOP vote (what appears to be his ceiling), due to the divided mainstream/moderates (that makeup nearly ~ 45-50% of the GOP vote) spread over Bush, Rubio, Kasich and Christie (and Fiorina) ........once the field starts to drop off, I'd expect one of the moderates to win the nomination.........Bush, of them all, has enough money to go all the way to the convention. ---------------------- With tonight's results, it looks like the GOP circus will move onto South Carolina......maybe less a Christie and Carson? Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 Does anyone think that Bloomberg would enter the race? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Derek 2.0 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 I suspect that number to increase for Trump once a couple of the others end up dropping out. Where does he get additional support? As it stands, I only see Trump gaining Cruz's vote share if/when Cruz drops out and endorses him.....which I doubt he would do. Quote
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