Derek 2.0 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 Crapping on the Bush family is an American (and Canadian) pastime. Not in Texas, where Jeb has an embedded weapon.........crapping on the Bush family and Hispanics there isn't a smart plan. Trump doesn't need to win Texas...just finish top 3 with a Bush/Cruz split. He does if he wants to win the nomination.......off the top of my head, the only Republican to loose Texas and still win the nomination was Ford in '76.....a sitting President, that squeaked by Reagan and lost Texas (and the South) to the Peanut farmer........ Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 Not in Texas, where Jeb has an embedded weapon.........crapping on the Bush family and Hispanics there isn't a smart plan. Hispanic Republicans don't love illegals either. Candidates who flip-flop on amnesty lose primary votes. He does if he wants to win the nomination.......off the top of my head, the only Republican to loose Texas and still win the nomination was Ford in '76.....a sitting President, that squeaked by Reagan and lost Texas (and the South) to the Peanut farmer........ Nomination is different from the general election....if Trump is the GOP leader, Texas will back him in the end, not Sanders or Clinton. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Derek 2.0 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 Hispanic Republicans don't love illegals either. Candidates who flip-flop on amnesty lose primary votes. And independent voters? Nomination is different from the general election....if Trump is the GOP leader, Texas will back him in the end, not Sanders or Clinton. And you're missing my point......Reagan won the Texas/South in the GOP primary process and nearly beat Ford for the nomination, and the South in the general election voted for Carter/Democrats, a feat it hasn't done since.......And then, Texas played a far smaller part in the process.......... Trump is unlikely to win the Republican nomination without Texas and the majority of the South....... Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) ....Trump is unlikely to win the Republican nomination without Texas and the majority of the South....... Trump is only weak in Arkansas and Texas...does much better in the rest of the south. Texas will not vote Democrat in the general. Trump will also get more crossover votes in the general. Edited February 10, 2016 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Derek 2.0 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 Trump is only weak in Arkansas and Texas.. Is he? I haven't seen any firm polls, outside of South Carolina, for the South/Texas. Texas will not vote Democrat in the general. No they won't, they will vote for the Republican nominee..............something Trump shouldn't be able to receive unless he breaks out of his ~35% ceiling........if it remains a 3, or 4 or even a 5 way race, you will end up with a brokered convention in Cleveland.......outside of Cruz, which I would still think unlikely, who's supporters do you think will migrate to Trump? Trump will also get more crossover votes in the general. Trump has to get to the general first. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 No they won't, they will vote for the Republican nominee...... The process for determining the Republican nominee is underway. Trump welcomes the fight...Bush is afraid of it. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Derek 2.0 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 The process for determining the Republican nominee is underway. Trump welcomes the fight...Bush is afraid of it. Trump can welcome it all he likes, but unless he starts winning ~50% of the vote and delegates of each State, he'll be SOL in Cleveland. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 Trump can welcome it all he likes, but unless he starts winning ~50% of the vote and delegates of each State, he'll be SOL in Cleveland. So will all the others....nothing special about Bush or Cruz. Trump would like that fight too. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Derek 2.0 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 So will all the others....nothing special about Bush or Cruz. Trump would like that fight too. As I asked you above, what other GOP candidate(s) are going to support Trump so he could win the nomination and springboard from his ~35% ceiling? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 As I asked you above, what other GOP candidate(s) are going to support Trump so he could win the nomination and springboard from his ~35% ceiling? Cruz might do it....he likes Trump personally. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Derek 2.0 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 Cruz might do it....he likes Trump personally. The same Cruz that Trump is currently targeting with his birther meme, being a Washington insider, not disclosing donations and screwing over Ben Carson? The more accurate phrase might be that they once liked each other.......... Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 The same Cruz that Trump is currently targeting with his birther meme, being a Washington insider, not disclosing donations and screwing over Ben Carson? The more accurate phrase might be that they once liked each other.......... No...it's all part of the game. Compete hard or lose, that's why Bush's weak-ass game is not going to work. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Derek 2.0 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 No...it's all part of the game. Compete hard or lose, that's why Bush's weak-ass game is not going to work. Riiiiiiight........ Trump + Cruz doesn't equal the Republican nomination, they occupy the same real estate...... ----------------- Any bets on who Christie will endorse after his murder-suicide of Rubio? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 Riiiiiiight........ Trump + Cruz doesn't equal the Republican nomination, they occupy the same real estate...... Look, I wish Jeb Bush had been much stronger by this point in the campaign, but he just ain't bringin' it. He better wake the hell up and realize that Trump or Cruz are going to eat his lunch. Nice guys finish last. Christie already yielded his strength to a bigger and better northeast loud mouth.....Trump. Who he endorses doesn't matter at this point....biggest waste of money in New Hampshire. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Derek 2.0 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 Look, I wish Jeb Bush had been much stronger by this point in the campaign, but he just ain't bringin' it. He better wake the hell up and realize that Trump or Cruz are going to eat his lunch. Nice guys finish last. As I said, we'll see once the race gets into the South. Christie already yielded his strength to a bigger and better northeast loud mouth.....Trump. Who he endorses doesn't matter at this point....biggest waste of money in New Hampshire. Did he? I don't think Christie and Trump were after the same voters.......A Christie endorsement of one of Bush, Rubio and Kasich could very much so be the "kingmaker" in the moderate field........we know he's not going to endorse Rubio (or Cruz).......or Trump.........That leaves us with Bush or Kasich......who is more likely to win the nomination and give Christie a cabinet post as a reward for his suicide attack on Rubio? Quote
Argus Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 Bloomberg = a GOP win.......I hope he enters the race too....and so does Trump. I think Bloomberg would kick Trump's ass. I think he appeals to centrists and the centre-right, and there's a lot more of them than there are progressives or hard core conservatives. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 Because Bloomberg's stances on policies mimic a center left Democrat and would split the vote........The Republicans could win with Ted Cruz. How are Bloomberg's stances different than Ronald Reagan? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 He's fiscally-conservative, socially-liberal. He would take the votes from a democrats who are too uncomfortable voting for Sanders' fiscal policies. Trump, on the other hand, pretty much has the Republican vote. Not from what I've read. I've seen and heard articles saying large numbers of Republicans can't imagine voting for Trump. The Republicans who would hate Trump are the social conservative looneys who care about nothing and nobody but banning abortion and gays, lowering taxes (at any cost) and ensuring there are no controls on guns. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Derek 2.0 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 How are Bloomberg's stances different than Ronald Reagan? Abortion, gay marriage, gun rights, pathway to citizenship and his general belief that Government can regulate away society's problems......a night and day difference. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 I think Bloomberg would kick Trump's ass. I think he appeals to centrists and the centre-right On what planet? Bloomberg's path to the White House is through Democratic States and swing States, hence forth, the creation of a vote split between him and Clinton......and that is why the head of the DNC doesn't want him to run and why Trump would welcome (as cited) a Bloomberg run. Quote
August1991 Posted February 11, 2016 Report Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) Producing a good leader is secondary to producing a dedicated competitor with a very strong drive to campaign, curry political and financial support, build alliances, destroy enemies, and win the election. These are all traits a new president will need to win office not only once, but twice.Dedicated competitor? I'd say rather that a person becomes US President if they get many, many, many American citizens to vote for them. Obama did this. So did Reagan. IOW, it's a loaded lottery. ==== So BushCheney, let me make another point: In America, this seemingly "democratic" choice has a more serious definition: a person like Bush Snr gives up State power to a Clinton in 1992. Heck, Hillary admits that Barack is the candidate 2008. What is "democracy"? I don't know exactly. But I know what a civilised society is. It is when the power of the State is peacefully passed between people who despise one another. When John Adams resigned and Thomas Jefferson became President, the "US democracy" was established. Edited February 11, 2016 by August1991 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 11, 2016 Report Posted February 11, 2016 So BushCheney, let me make another point: ....When John Adams resigned and Thomas Jefferson became President, the US "democracy" was established. That's old news, and makes the winner-take-all election contest(s) so interesting, it is even watched closely in Canada. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
August1991 Posted February 11, 2016 Report Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) Sorry for the thread drift ahead... That's old news, and makes the winner-take-all election contest(s) so interesting, it is even watched closely in Canada.Old news? John Adams never owned a slave, even refused to buy one. Indeed, Adams stated that he felt uncomfortable to live among slave owners. Jefferson not only owned slaves but he slept with one, had sex with her and she became pregnant and had his child. (This is known because of DNA results today.) Yet, in American historiography, even in this 21st century, Jefferson is presented as a "progressive" while Adams is viewed as "conservative". IMHO, Adams greatest gift to the world was his voluntary resignation - to someone else (Jefferson), a person Adams despised. Adams could have changed the rules, appointed new men to the Supreme Court, requested a recount, arrested Congressmen. As President in a new Republic, he had this power. But Adams didn't do this. He resigned, and handed the presidency to a man he despised. To me, that's "democracy". ====== Until a living Persian President or Arabian/Saudi king or Chinese Emperor/President (however these various dictators want to call themselves) peacefully gives State power to someone they despise, then I will believe that Iran, Arabia and China are not civilised states. Edited February 11, 2016 by August1991 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 11, 2016 Report Posted February 11, 2016 Sorry for the thread drift ahead... But today, even the slaves get to vote. Party by party and state by state, the contenders will be chosen for one final celebrity election death match in November. Then we will do it all over again. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
August1991 Posted February 11, 2016 Report Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) ... one final celebrity election death match in November.Like Coke and Pepsi - many people foolishly believe that since Pepsi and Coke are the same, there's no choice. They're the same. Why have two soft drinks when there's no difference? Huh? Democrats, Republicans. Colgate, Crest. Same difference: (b_c, as you describe it: a "celebrity death match"} Yet, imagine a world where there was only Coke (but no Pepsi), a world with no choice, no borders. No alternative. Imagine a world where there was no choice except to be as one. Edited February 11, 2016 by August1991 Quote
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