Donald vs Hillary

Smallc · October 22, 2016

3 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Whether it is the year 2000 or the year 2016, American elections will always be of great interest to many Canadians. The opposite is not true.

If you're completely wrong, just say something irrelevant - that ought to work.

Bonam · October 22, 2016

56 minutes ago, cybercoma said:

The problem is the vast majority of people have never taken a stats course in their life and know very little about how polling and inferential statistics work.

I think this is only barely true, and likely to change soon to not really be true. In the US, ~61% of millenials have attended college, and the % is only growing with the years. And while of course not all college attendees take a stats course, the reality is most of these people (as well as most non-college attendees, if I had to guess) have the brainpower to understand that an aggregate of hundreds of different polls is a more reliable indicator than a single outlier poll (especially if they cared to google about it). The problem isn't lack of intelligence or education, it's that people never stop to think rationally about their beliefs to begin with. I think this problem is fundamentally related to the prevalence of religiosity... people are conditioned from an early age to accept things on faith without any rational basis, and by the time they get to adulthood they are used to simply believing things, not examining them. So when their same family member that taught them to be religious tells them they believe what the guy on the radio said about the polls, why would they question it? Why would they pause to apply their knowledge of statistics to their political beliefs, when they don't pause to apply their knowledge about the world to their religious beliefs?

How many people, however well educated, regularly stop and contemplate "Is what I believe right? Is it supported by evidence? Why do I hold these beliefs?" Maybe a graduate level education in hard sciences would increase the tendency for people to think this way in their daily life but other than that I think people can be very intelligent and educated and still have no tendency at all to ask themselves such questions.

Edited October 22, 2016 by Bonam

cybercoma · October 22, 2016

4 minutes ago, Bonam said:

a graduate level education in hard sciences would increase the tendency for people to think this way in their daily life

I can say with certainty that it could be in social sciences as well. In fact, challenging assumptions is central to them.

betsy · October 22, 2016

Trump gains!

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump gained on his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton among American voters this week, cutting her lead nearly in half, according to Reuters/Ipsos polling released on Friday.

Clinton led Trump 44 percent to 40 percent, according to the Oct. 14-20 Reuters/Ipsos poll, a 4-point lead. That compared with 44 percent for Clinton and 37 percent for Trump in the Oct. 7-13 poll released last week.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/22/trump-gains-on-clinton-poll-shows-rigged-message-resonates.html

Edited October 22, 2016 by betsy

cybercoma · October 22, 2016

48 minutes ago, betsy said:

Trump gains!

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump gained on his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton among American voters this week, cutting her lead nearly in half, according to Reuters/Ipsos polling released on Friday.

Clinton led Trump 44 percent to 40 percent, according to the Oct. 14-20 Reuters/Ipsos poll, a 4-point lead. That compared with 44 percent for Clinton and 37 percent for Trump in the Oct. 7-13 poll released last week.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/22/trump-gains-on-clinton-poll-shows-rigged-message-resonates.html

Stop deluding yourself. This forecast includes that poll.

Rue · October 22, 2016

23 hours ago, cybercoma said:

He's absolutely right. The recount was not completed since there was a stay put on it on Dec. 9. So no. There was no recount.

Yes sorry. I should have said the vote was upheld not the recount was upheld typo mistake. The recount was stopped. as you can see in the Wikepedia comment..

Both are right. Argus is right on Florida and the Gore matter, but there are both federal and individual state laws as well as municipal laws int he US as well for that matter in federal, provincial and municipal law in Canada that allow recounts in very close votes and I believe the threshold for triggering a recount is the closeness of the vote, i.e., a particular number of difference stipulated, i.e., less than a certain amount of votes between the two candidates.

We've seem them often in municipal elections. Its more common at the municipal level.

The controversy over the Gore case remains but the point is he left gracefully but could have gone further in court and may have won going all the way up tot he Supreme Court of the US and keeping the US in a state of limbo for up to a year while the matter made its way up to the final court for a decision.

I think in Trump's case this is not about worrying about a close vote. This is about his m.o. He pulled this stunt earlier on when he was losing to fellow Repoublicans in several states. Its the sign of a narcissist, a power control freak who the moment he doesn't think he can get his way whines and snivels.

This is nothing more then a spoiled brat having a tantrum and acting like the petulant sphincter muscle he is..

taxme · October 22, 2016

On 10/21/2016 at 2:38 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

Whether it is the year 2000 or the year 2016, American elections will always be of great interest to many Canadians. The opposite is not true.

That is because Canadian politics is boring as hell. There is not one politician who can say it like it is in Canada. All are so politically correct that they are in terror of saying anything that would appear politically incorrect. All our politicians only dance to the strings that are being pulled on them by the globalist zionist elite, and they will make sure that a Donald Trump type of politician will never be heard from. When you control the media and politicians you can pretty much control the minds of the sheeple. Welcome to Canada.

taxme · October 22, 2016

On 10/20/2016 at 8:38 PM, The_Squid said:

You don't even know who any of them are.....

I am pretty sure that I could find out by getting in contact with patriotic Canadians like Fromm and Arthur Topham. Two good sources for that.

cybercoma · October 22, 2016

Donald Trump's Business Credit Score Just Leaked!
Lenders may be more cautious when considering lending to the Trump Organization because it falls under a medium to high-risk category, and they will likely look into what credit factors are bringing down the score before they decide if the business is a viable borrower.’

This unsatisfactory score is based on having a tax lien, 23 credit accounts that are delinquent, three accounts in collections, and a court ruling. Other factors, which aren’t included in Nav’s reports, are the six bankruptcies Trump has had. His business still ranks at the very bottom, even without all his bankruptcies.

http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/10/21/just-in-donald-trumps-business-credit-score-released-prepare-to-laugh-details/

Trump's business credit score is 19/100! :lol: This is the "accomplished" businessman people like betsy want winning the presidency! :lol:

Edited October 22, 2016 by cybercoma

?Impact · October 22, 2016

3 minutes ago, cybercoma said:

Donald Trump's Business Credit Score Just Leaked!

Not surprised, if you look at the individual deals like the hotel in the old post office in Washington there has always been a credit problem.

p.s. We don't need another betsy, cut it out with the big fonts.

cybercoma · October 22, 2016

1 minute ago, ?Impact said:

We don't need another betsy, cut it out with the big fonts.

Oh...I thought that was required when posting articles from other websites. :rolleyes:

taxme · October 22, 2016

On 10/20/2016 at 8:38 PM, The_Squid said:

You don't even know who any of them are.....

I was watching the news on some American TV channel yesterday and I saw a woman being brought into a news conference led by the hand of Sheila Feinstein where she was to give her story as to how Trump sexually touched her. The whole time she was giving her little speech she was reading from a piece of paper. Why would she need to read from a piece of paper if she were assaulted by Trump? Could she not remember what happened to her?

Or was this just another phony set up by the Hillary Democrats to try and make Trump look bad again. The whole time she was reading her script she was smiling. I saw no grief of what happened to her in her face. This is just more obvious then ever that the globalist zionist elite are running scared of Trump and will not stop with more of this nonsense until the election is over. When Trump becomes President I am going to enjoy watching the mad rush by the elite for the door, and watch them trying to get out of town as fast as they can. Aw, so sad. Maybe they have plans to run to Canada if they lose the battle. Oh joy. Anybody here want to take Hillary in? If you do just watch her closely. She is not only a liar and a crooked woman but she also is a thief. Good luck.

taxme · October 22, 2016

33 minutes ago, cybercoma said:

Donald Trump's Business Credit Score Just Leaked!
Lenders may be more cautious when considering lending to the Trump Organization because it falls under a medium to high-risk category, and they will likely look into what credit factors are bringing down the score before they decide if the business is a viable borrower.’

This unsatisfactory score is based on having a tax lien, 23 credit accounts that are delinquent, three accounts in collections, and a court ruling. Other factors, which aren’t included in Nav’s reports, are the six bankruptcies Trump has had. His business still ranks at the very bottom, even without all his bankruptcies.

http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/10/21/just-in-donald-trumps-business-credit-score-released-prepare-to-laugh-details/

Trump's business credit score is 19/100! This is the "accomplished" businessman people like betsy want winning the presidency!

Mind pointing out some of the bad things that Hillary has been accused of for a change rather than this constant Trump bashing. You do appear to be very one sided here. Check out Youtube, there you will find a few not so nice things about Hillary that are suppose to be true. I mean let's even it up here, eh?

taxme · October 22, 2016

32 minutes ago, cybercoma said:

Oh...I thought that was required when posting articles from other websites.

On the contrary. We need more people like Betsy here. At least with Betsy we can believe what she says, and the internet can back her up. It would appear as though with most people they don't want to give us the other side of the story here. Just one side of the story will do it for them.

cybercoma · October 22, 2016

5 minutes ago, taxme said:

Mind pointing out some of the bad things that Hillary has been accused of for a change rather than this constant Trump bashing.

Sure. When Hillary Clinton's business credit report is released, I will post that.

?Impact · October 22, 2016

1 minute ago, taxme said:

On the contrary. We need more people like Betsy here. At least with Betsy we can believe what she says, and the internet can back her up. It would appear as though with most people they don't want to give us the other side of the story here. Just one side of the story will do it for them.

Yes, betsy is certainly a good shining example of balanced reporting.

taxme · October 22, 2016

Just now, ?Impact said:

Yes, betsy is certainly a good shining example of balanced reporting.

You betcha she is. She is a tell it like it is type of person, and I like that in people, don't you? She is quite able to form her own opinion, and not have the fake controlled media do it for her which appears to be evident with most Canadians these days. Just look at how terribly bias and one sided the fake media is when it comes to Trump here in Canada?

Yet Hillary is treated with kid gloves, and she gets those TV facial smiley looks that say too all watching that Hillary is such a darling and wonderful person who could do no harm or wrong to anyone. Well, the internet has a lot to say about that and how a not so nice and nasty person she really is. But why believe me, eh? I am just another one of those stunned supporters for Trump. Aw well, it works for me.

betsy · October 22, 2016

Let's see if there'll be any.....

Larry Flynt offers up to $1 million for 'scandalous' audio or video of Donald Trump

Larry Flynt, the man behind Hustler magazine and Hustler clubs, announced Monday that he is offering an up to $1 million bounty for any "scandalous" clips of Republican nominee Donald Trump.

Specifically, Flynt is seeking "verifiable video footage or audio recordings for use prior to the November 8 election clearly showing Donald Trump engaging in illegal activity or acting in a sexually demeaning or derogatory manner." Hustler will pay the clip's provider if the company uses it in any way, a Monday news release said.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/17/larry-flynt-offers-up-to-1-million-for-scandalous-audio-or-video-of-donald-trump.html

betsy · October 23, 2016

1 hour ago, cybercoma said:

Donald Trump's Business Credit Score Just Leaked!
Lenders may be more cautious when considering lending to the Trump Organization because it falls under a medium to high-risk category, and they will likely look into what credit factors are bringing down the score before they decide if the business is a viable borrower.’

This unsatisfactory score is based on having a tax lien, 23 credit accounts that are delinquent, three accounts in collections, and a court ruling. Other factors, which aren’t included in Nav’s reports, are the six bankruptcies Trump has had. His business still ranks at the very bottom, even without all his bankruptcies.

http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/10/21/just-in-donald-trumps-business-credit-score-released-prepare-to-laugh-details/

Trump's business credit score is 19/100! This is the "accomplished" businessman people like betsy want winning the presidency!

If that's accurate.....being a high-risk doesn't seem to be a problem for Trump. Somebody's willing to take a risk!

He just opened a 5-star hotel in Washington!

https://www.trumphotels.com/washington-dc

I don't know much about business credit scores, what more when we're talking about a conglomerate. Does a credit score tells everything? According to this source, it doesn't.

Unfortunately, because the information provided to the business credit bureaus is sent in voluntarily--no business is required to send it in--the credit bureaus may never receive all or even any information about your business credit transactions. In fact, you could go for years racking up business credit without any of it being reported to the credit bureaus.

https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/76886

According to NAV (the bureau quoted in your article):

The different business credit scores & reporting bureaus

Each bureau can have different information on file for the same person or business, and wind up producing a different score. That’s why you’ve probably noticed your score vary from bureau to bureau.

Your scores are fluid and can change over time. That’s why creditors tend to assess your creditworthiness on a continual basis. If you notice your trade credit scores are low, there could be an error in the business credit reports that caused an inaccurate calculation.

https://www.nav.com/business-credit-scores/

My, my, my........for someone who's sure that Hillary will win, aren't Hillary supporters soooooo desperate.

I wonder why. :lol:

Edited October 23, 2016 by betsy

cybercoma · October 23, 2016

No big deal. He runs one of the worst businesses in America, lost a billion dollars in a peak economy, has a tax lien, 23 delinquent credit accounts, three accounts in collection, and a court ruling against him. Perfect business sense to run the American economy.

msj · October 23, 2016

Being high risk means paying higher interest rates which costs more money.

So, Trump's cost of capital is higher than other owner operators therefore no wonder he must buy Chinese steel and not pay his contractors (and pay higher legal fees as a result).

So smrt!

betsy · October 23, 2016

1 hour ago, cybercoma said:

Sure. When Hillary Clinton's business credit report is released, I will post that.

She won't even answer the question about her access for cash donors to the Clinton Foundation.......and that's on top of the thousands of emails she'd deleted!

betsy · October 23, 2016

32 minutes ago, cybercoma said:

No big deal. He runs one of the worst businesses in America, lost a billion dollars in a peak economy, has a tax lien, 23 delinquent credit accounts, three accounts in collection, and a court ruling against him. Perfect business sense to run the American economy.

If being able to open up another 5 star hotel makes him a worst businessman....hey, I'd like to be worse, too!

If what he's doing is legal, there's no problem! None at all. I hope you don't think huge businesses aren't given any incentives for being high-risked.

Edited October 23, 2016 by betsy

?Impact · October 23, 2016

6 minutes ago, betsy said:

I hope you don't think huge businesses aren't given any incentives for being high-risked.

Do you think the national economy should be high-risked?

cybercoma · October 23, 2016

6 minutes ago, betsy said:

If what he's doing is legal

I'm sorry, did you miss the part where he not only has a lien against him but delinquent accounts, accounts in collection, and a court ruling against his business? That's not legal.