Donald vs Hillary

[Rue]

37 minutes ago, Derek 2.0 said:

 

You don't think alleged impropriety between the Clintons, the Clinton Foundation, MF Global and Teneo holdings is significant? Or one of the senior operating officers of the Clinton Foundation threatening to kill herself over dealings with Bubba?

Oh it is but Derek is it enough to overlook Trump's pathology? She is knee deep in corruption and what you mention is the tip of her iceberg of filthy dealings and cover ups for sure  but that said would you feel safer with his hands on the nuke button? He can't go a second without lashing out at people playing the role of victim. The whining with the journalists last night ..play it back....wow  that showed a man with no impulse control.

 

Edited October 11, 2016 by Rue

[Hal 9000]

So, If bringing out Alicia Muchado was something that america had to see and releasing Trumps audio tapes were something that america should hear, why then are the CNN pundits calling it disgusting that Trump brought out Hillary and Bills assault victims?

[?Impact]

6 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

So, If bringing out Alicia Muchado was something that america had to see and releasing Trumps audio tapes were something that america should hear, why then are the CNN pundits calling it disgusting that Trump brought out Hillary and Bills assault victims?

Really, could you point us to the court case where Hilary and Bill were convicted?

[Derek 2.0]

17 minutes ago, Rue said:

Oh it is but Derek is it enough to overlook Trump's pathology? She is knee deep in corruption and what you mention is the tip of her iceberg of filthy dealings and cover ups for sure  but that said would you feel safer with his hands on the nuke button? He can't go a second without lashing out at people playing the role of victim. The whining with the journalists last night ..play it back....wow  that showed a man with no impulse control.

 

 

Not at all, I dislike Trump nearly as much as I do the Clintons.......if I were voting in this election I would hold my nose and vote Trump simply based on policies he has alluded too, versus the corrupt and dishonest Clinton(s)........of the two crappy choices, I'd liken the global instability of the Obama years to continue in a Clinton administration, hence making it more likely if anyone was to have their finger on the button it would be Clinton.

[Cum Laude]

1 minute ago, Derek 2.0 said:

 

Not at all, I dislike Trump nearly as much as I do the Clintons.......if I were voting in this election I would hold my nose and vote Trump simply based on policies he has alluded too, versus the corrupt and dishonest Clinton(s)........of the two crappy choices, I'd liken the global instability of the Obama years to continue in a Clinton administration, hence making it more likely if anyone was to have their finger on the button it would be Clinton.

They say you get the leaders you deserve. In a land of twerking, gender confusion, and disintegrated families, I’d say that is about right.

[Cum Laude]

20 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

So, If bringing out Alicia Muchado was something that america had to see and releasing Trumps audio tapes were something that america should hear, why then are the CNN pundits calling it disgusting that Trump brought out Hillary and Bills assault victims?

Americans are witnessing the crackup of the Post Cold War American electoral strategy of “Nice White Woman”, ironically brought about by Clinton in 92 and partly destroyed by Hillary and her obnoxious nagging establishment feminists.

While establishment feminists and polygamist Mormons on the same scolding side of the boat, capsizing is imminent.

America and the West have since 1992 pandered to the sensibilities to that figment of our imagination the Sainted Woman so electoral politics and our government reflect that and address everything in a small minded, petty and vindictive manner as women do when challenged.

[msj]

No doubt I dislike Trump but I prefer him to get elected because he is the President I think the US deserves.  

Perhaps I have a pathological hatred of the US or perhaps I just want to grab a bowl of popcorn and enjoy the next four years....

I do like to be ENTERTAINED! 

 

[Cum Laude]

Just now, msj said:

No doubt I dislike Trump but I prefer him to get elected because he is the President I think the US deserves.  

Perhaps I have a pathological hatred of the US or perhaps I just want to grab a bowl of popcorn and enjoy the next four years....

I do like to be ENTERTAINED! 

 

I wonder how many Democrat and Republican politicians who are "disgusted" with Trump's WORDS have used the talents of an escort to "relieve" pressure? 

Let’s analyze the debate without the shrill hyperbole.

Cooper wasted no time to bring up the p*ssy comment. When he received an apology, he did not relent, he used it as an opportunity to recover any journalistic credentials he never really had. So intent on throwing out his “tough” questions he ignored, and cut-off, the answers.

Here’s the thing, Trump was not a politician at the time. he was a jet-setting billionaire bon vivant running a beauty pageant. He was not a public official. If it was Mick Jagger, or Snoop Dog it would not matter. It would be laughed at.

The total hypocrisy is the fact that in the audience was a former president, and potential first-philanderer, who penetrated an intern with a Cohiba and then placed it into his mouth before receiving oral sex in a government office. He had sex (oral) with an intern in a government office, but they dare bring up Trump carrying on about grabbing a girl’s “p*ssy”? Really.

Men do at times talk this way. If people, and especially women, don’t think they do, then they are only lying to themselves.

We then have Clinton blaming the Russians again. We then have her defend the totally ironic position of American strategy to defeat Assad, allow the destruction of Syria, the spread of ISIS, rather than defeating ISIS first. The insane US policy of WANTING Assad, first and foremost, to fall is the cause of the dire situation in “what is Aleppo?” Here’s the answer: Aleppo is when you are not content with initiating and fomenting regime change in a part of the world despite the deaths and suffering of millions.

The media last night set the tone so they could lament it in a week’s worth of press afterward. “Scandalous” by their very making. It took 2 unhinged moderators to deliver it. Now, more hypocrisy and feigned indignation… to sell, sell, sell the spectacle. Wake up dummies.

 

[?Impact]

3 minutes ago, Cum Laude said:

I wonder how many Democrat and Republican politicians who are "disgusted" with Trump's WORDS have used the talents of an escort to "relieve" pressure? 

So you are equating sexual assault with soliciting a prostitute?

Do you really think anyone would elect Snoop Dog as President? 

[Cum Laude]

Just now, ?Impact said:

So you are equating sexual assault with soliciting a prostitute?

Do you really think anyone would elect Snoop Dog as President? 

What sexual assault? Billy C's? 

Trump, having apologized for his words of a decade ago, said that the publication of the record is an attempt to distract voters’ attention from the really serious problems facing the United States, and, judging by the voter’s, they agree with him, not with the hypocrites of the Republican Party elite. In any case, even after this scandal, experts in opinion polls from Fox5 channel could not outrun their colleagues from CNN and attribute to Clinton’s advantage of more than 5%.

But they seriously calculated using these figures to convince Trump to withdraw his candidacy, but he angrily rejected such a possibility, and promised in return to raise the question of the relation of Hillary Clinton to the victims of sexual violence. And he hinted that it’s not just about her protection of her husband, who almost became impeached in connection with the “non-sexual” relationship with Monica Lewinsky in the Oval Office of the White House and is related to the recording of a young lawyer, Hillary Clinton, that recently appeared on the Internet.

In this record, Hillary Clinton, laughing, said on the sidelines of the court that, after her client was able to pass polygraph test to prove his innocence, she lost all confidence in this device.

The problem is that this client was accused of raping a 12-year-old girl and a lawyer, Hillary Clinton won the case, accusing the victim of immoral behavior and almost of prostitution. As a result, the girl was hospitalized in a psychiatric institution, the rapist was freed to repeat his crime, and the lawyer, who achieved this 40 years ago, now is trying to break into the White House, trying using anecdotal accusations not just to win against Donald Trump, but also to prevent a serious discussion of the problems, facing the United States.

[?Impact]

3 minutes ago, Cum Laude said:

The problem is that this client was accused of raping a 12-year-old girl and a lawyer, Hillary Clinton won the case,

I suggest you do a little fact checking of your own. Clinton was ordered by a judge to defend that guy, against her own wishes. Clinton didn't win the case, the incompetent police messed up the evidence.

[Hal 9000]

And another thing, why is DeNiro applauded for calling men (as in Trump) a dog, a pig and stupid...and how he wants to punch him in the face, when Trump is ostracized and called a misogynist for saying less than that to Rosie O'Donnell?  

Maybe DeNiro hates men, maybe Trump treats women equally. 

[msj]

Well, maybe it's a pity if they can't both lose, but when it comes to financial regulation I'm going to agree with these guys: http://www.moneyandbanking.com/commentary/2016/10/9/clinton-versus-trump-on-financial-regulation

If I was unlucky enough to be a US citizen I would vote for Hillary as Trump would be a disaster.  

As a CDN, f 'em - I hope Trump wins. I will be ENTERTAINED ! 

[?Impact]

Now Trump is using Russian disinformation straight from the Kremlin. Tonight at his rally he held up an e-mail that was modified by the Russians and then taken down by them once they were exposed. It only was available for a short time, but Trump got his little fingers on it quickly. No need to use the Presidents hotline, he already has one installed.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 hour ago, msj said:

....If I was unlucky enough to be a US citizen I would vote for Hillary as Trump would be a disaster.  

As a CDN, f 'em - I hope Trump wins. I will be ENTERTAINED ! 

 

Canadians will be entertained either way....."because it is so important to us". 

[msj]

23 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

Now Trump is using Russian disinformation straight from the Kremlin. Tonight at his rally he held up an e-mail that was modified by the Russians and then taken down by them once they were exposed. 

 

Here's the link: http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-sidney-blumenthal-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-benghazi-sputnik-508635 

Maybe Hillary can grant him a pardon?  

[Derek 2.0]

1 hour ago, ?Impact said:

Now Trump is using Russian disinformation straight from the Kremlin.

Straight from the Kremlin? Is it possible, maybe even probable, that Trump has in his employ staffers, researchers and speech writers, that instead of receiving said information via the SVR, could have obtained it through Google or another internet search engine?  

[Derek 2.0]

2 hours ago, msj said:

Well, maybe it's a pity if they can't both lose, but when it comes to financial regulation I'm going to agree with these guys: http://www.moneyandbanking.com/commentary/2016/10/9/clinton-versus-trump-on-financial-regulation

 

You're going to agree with two money mongers that don't feel the 2007/08 financial crisis was caused by the Clinton administration's repealing of Glass-Steagall in 1999?

 

It should be no surprise that this Clinton, per Wikileaks, feels Wall Street is best posed to fix Wall Street on its own, sans pesky Government regulations 

[msj]

You mean the bipartisan Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act?  

Oh, of course it was Clinton that repealed it all by himself....

Then there is the question as to what, if any, of the activities that brought about the financial crisis were prohibited by the GS Act. 

 

 

[Derek 2.0]

1 minute ago, msj said:

You mean the bipartisan Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act?  

 

That, combined with the CFMA.....both supported by Clinton.

5 minutes ago, msj said:

Oh, of course it was Clinton that repealed it all by himself....

Seeing as he signed into law......well yah.

 

 

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Then there is the question as to what, if any, of the activities that brought about the financial crisis were prohibited by the GS Act.

What question? Allowing Commercial and investment banks to comingle risk was the cause.....Bubba Clinton allowed it, and Hillary Clinton wants a redux......and you point to two "professionals" that support such an idiotic idea as being in the know......I'd rather roll the Trump dice.

[msj]

A Republican bipartisan bill supported by a Democratic President but of course it's only the President to blame. 

Oh, and the following Republican President only encouraged the debt/housing bubble. 

But okay, Elizabeth Warren, er, excuse me, D2.0, yeah the GFC all comes down to Bill Clinton. 

The point remains: Trump has little to no policy when it comes to financial regulation while HRC does. 

Sure, maybe you prefer Warren or Sanders but at least they are on HRC's side . 

[Derek 2.0]

4 minutes ago, msj said:

A Republican bipartisan bill supported by a Democratic President but of course it's only the President to blame. 

 

 

Bill Clinton signed it into law......Hillary wants to continue with it

 

5 minutes ago, msj said:

Oh, and the following Republican President only encouraged the debt/housing bubble. 

 

And the following Democratic Administration continued reflating the economic bubble through a fire fueled by public money.....And Hillary wants to continue with this, well handing the regulatory reigns to Wall Street.......and you think this is a good idea?

 

8 minutes ago, msj said:

ut okay, Elizabeth Warren, er, excuse me, D2.0, yeah the GFC all comes down to Bill Clinton. 

 

Yup.......he signed it into law, and his wife wants to continue with said policies......

 

10 minutes ago, msj said:

The point remains: Trump has little to no policy when it comes to financial regulation while HRC does. 

 

Good... little to no policy is better then restarting the bubble over again.....

 

 

11 minutes ago, msj said:

Sure, maybe you prefer Warren or Sanders but at least they are on HRC's side . 

 

I don't prefer either......but separating commercial and investment banking is a good start......if people want to continue to play the markets I'm fine with that, but any failings (including those of the investment banks) shouldn't result in the little guy, who's not playing the game, loosing his house.....

 

Clinton's policies will return us to another eventual failure.......Trump's? Who knows, but in this case I'd rather the devil I don't know..... 

[msj]

Well, I suppose you are demonstrating a lack of understanding on how the US government works but whatevs....

Trump has no financial regulation policy so GS would not come back under him. 

At least HRC has policy, including on shadow banking, so at least some financial regulation is likely.  

[Derek 2.0]

2 minutes ago, msj said:

Well, I suppose you are demonstrating a lack of understanding on how the US government works but whatevs....

 

Oh........you mean like Clinton get hundreds of millions from Wall Street and in exchange lets them set regulatory policy?

3 minutes ago, msj said:

At least HRC has policy, including on shadow banking, so at least some financial regulation is likely.  

 

Her economic policy is akin to a cancer treatment that includes smoking and a diet of gas station meat.....

 

As to Trump, his protectionist policies will likely deflate the economy to such a point that a debt bubble won't be a problem. 

[msj]

That's the thing about Trump: he doesn't even have to have a policy and it is just assumed that this guy who "tells it like it is" will implement effective policy. 

The guy can't even operate a casino without generating losses for debt holders and shareholders as he enriches himself. 

But sure, the taxpayers (who are essentially the debt holders and shareholders) will do just swell by him. 

Oh, and I'm not talking about economic policy.

I have clearly stated financial regulations so don't be making up shit.