The White Man's Fear

[Argus]

We definitely have Canadian values, possibly the first among them being Anglo-French nationalism,followed by money, followed by human rights.

Anglo-French nationalism is an invented term and a figment of your imagination.

[Argus]

Mike Harris thought he could bully his way through it, caused the death of a young man and was discredited by the Ipperwash Inquiry for it,

I saw nothing from the inquiry which indicated he did a single thing wrong.

Using aggression and force?

You do understand that's genocide?

I'd really like to go back in time to WW2 Europe and sneak up to a concentration camp, and wave over some inmates and then tell them about the horrendous plight of Canadian natives in future who would be given free homes. I'm sure they'd be aghast and sympathetic at their imagined ordeal. Or easier still, I could go find some Yazidi survivors of ISIS slaughter and make them cry over the imagined plight of Canadian natives being given free houses. I'm sure they'd agree that was genocide, too.

Non-progressives like you and Mike Harris fail to comprehend that brute force accomplishes the opposite of what you intended

Well gee since the progressives have been in charge of the native file for the last fifty years I guess we'll have to assume that the current situation is what you intended, right?

Edited January 7, 2016 by Argus

[Argus]

Have just re-read the OP and reference. Conclusion - The voice of priviledge adopting the voice of victimology to be taken seriously.

You're saying Dosanjh is the voice of privilege?

[Big Guy]

I don't think you read it very well. The article is a complaint about how ad-hom attacks on non-politically correct views have become the norm in political debate and this has made it impossible for rational discussions of the issues. It is a call to end the totalitarianism of the left before it completely destroys our society.

Of course, the argument went right over the heads of most lefty posters here who immediately responded with more of the ad-hom attacks designed to prevent people from expressing opposition to their totalitarian world views.

I took the time to read it very well and attempted to look at the points objectively. I stand by my previous evaluation.

I see you also took the opportunity to take another drive by pot shot at those with whom you disagree.

Why do you do that?

I am sure that you know it will not increase the chances of them either agreeing with you or respecting your opinion.

Are you not getting tired of "Lefties are this ... and Right wingers are that ..."?

[Big Guy]

You're saying Dosanjh is the voice of privilege?

Sorry, any previous attempts to engage in a civil discussion with Argus have been difficult, confrontational and a waste of time. Try somebody else.

[Argus]

I see you also took the opportunity to take another drive by pot shot at those with whom you disagree.

Why do you do that?

I am sure that you know it will not increase the chances of them either agreeing with you or respecting your opinion.

Anyone else find it hilarious that this poster would make such a post?

[Argus]

Sorry, any previous attempts to engage in a civil discussion with Argus have been difficult, confrontational and a waste of time. Try somebody else.

I can't offhand recall a previous effort of yours to engage in a civil discussion.

[TimG]

I took the time to read it very well and attempted to look at the points objectively. I stand by my previous evaluation.

You ignored the main points of the article and produced a summary that simultaneously insults the author (voice of privilege) and denigrates the arguments (voice of victimology). It is a summary that is a variation on the ad-hom attacks that that Dosanj was arguing against.

I see you also took the opportunity to take another drive by pot shot at those with whom you disagree.

I attacked the actions of the people who responded to the op because all they could do is respond with labels like 'islamphobia' or 'racist' which ironically proved the point that Dosanj was making. If they repsonded with actual arguments that demonstrated they understood the article they were criticizing then it would have been a useful contribution even if I disagreed. They did not do that. Edited January 7, 2016 by TimG

[Big Guy]

I attacked the actions of the people who responded to the op because all they could do is respond with labels like 'islamphobia' or 'racist' which ironically proved the point that Dosanj was making. If they repsonded with actual arguments that demonstrated they understood the article they were criticizing then it would have been a useful contribution even if I disagreed. They did not do that.

So you feel that if you attack these people then they will change their views and agree with you?

Or if you attack these people then they will not use the terms like "Islamphobia" or "racist" when they evaluate statements that they feel are Islamophobic and racist?

Or do you feel that posters are allowed to make islamophobic and racist statements but others should not be allowed to comment on them?

I am not sure what you are trying to achieve by attacking other posters.

[Spiderfish]

Anyone else find it hilarious that this poster would make such a post?

I'm still waiting for a response to my inquiry in post #73. May be waiting for awhile.

[TimG]

Or if you attack these people then they will not use the terms like "Islamphobia" or "racist" when they evaluate statements that they feel are Islamophobic and racist?

When people ignore the arguments and respond with labels designed to silence opinions they disagree with there is really no other response. It is not about changing minds but about rejecting the endless attempts to silence discussion of complex issues.

What you don't seem to understand is that some statements may, in fact, be racist and deserve to be called out as such. However, In a large number of cases the label is applied to opinions that are not racist at all. They are simply expressions of opinions which do not follow the 'politically correct' rule book.

Edited January 7, 2016 by TimG

[On Guard for Thee]

I'm still waiting for a response to my inquiry in post #73. May be waiting for awhile.

Your post there is clearly assumptive so you may be waiting much longer.

[Spiderfish]

Have just re-read the OP and reference. Conclusion - The voice of priviledge adopting the voice of victimology to be taken seriously.

So...like a wolf in sheeps clothing?

I guess the conclusion is a so-called priveleged immigrant minority is no better than a white bigot.

[Spiderfish]

Your post there is clearly assumptive so you may be waiting much longer.

Assumptive to what...to categorizing all individuals who found substance to Dosanjh's words as merely trying to "rationalize racism, bigotry and xenophobia" being insulting? Argus was right, this drive-by smear was a perfect example of what the article was describing.

[On Guard for Thee]

Assumptive to what...to categorizing all individuals who found substance to Dosanjh's words as merely trying to "rationalize racism, bigotry and xenophobia" being insulting? Argus was right, this drive-by smear was a perfect example of what the article was describing.

You assume his views are misinterpretation simply because they fly in the face of your own. Assumptive.

[jacee]

Keeping First Nations on rural or isolated reserves is in itself genocide. Not a quick genocide, but it's clearly contributing to killing off of their population.

They are not being "kept" there: That implies against their will.

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[Spiderfish]

You assume his views are misinterpretation simply because they fly in the face of your own. Assumptive.

Yeah, but I'm not imposing arrogant characterizations to suspend debate with my assumptions,

[Hal 9000]

They are not being "kept" there: That implies against their will.

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Encouraging them to stay there.

Enabling them to say there.

Allowing them to stay there

Whatever term you prefer!

The fact is; Reserves (rural and isolated) are rampant with addiction, abuse, pedophilia, incest, illiteracy, poverty, suicide, starvation and health/mental issues among other things and only contributes to the genocide and erosion of the First Nations people.

Their only chance at survival is to bring them into the 21st century.

Edited January 7, 2016 by Hal 9000

[jacee]

I saw nothing from the inquiry which indicated he did a single thing wrong.

Really? You missed it?

The judge concluded that Harris lied to the Inquiry, when he denied telling the OPP brass to 'Get the f****** Indians out of the park'.

Harris' own Attorney-General, Charles Harnick, told the truth, that he heard Harris make the statement.

Deb Hutton, then Harris' aide, (now Tim Hudak's wife) lied 134 times, saying she 'didn't recall', when her own notes clearly indicated that Harris made such statements.

Well gee since the progressives have been in charge of the native file for the last fifty years I guess we'll have to assume that the current situation is what you intended, right?

Genocide, getting rid of Indigenous Peoples and their rights, is what every government in Canada has continuously tried to do.

And your position is that they should finish the genocide.

But that's kinda illegal ... and unrealistic.

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Edited January 7, 2016 by jacee

[PIK]

Actually the natives want to live where they live, they feel that is their right. The government should have said no along time ago and moved some of them closer to civilization.

[PIK]

Really? You missed it?

The judge concluded that Harris lied to the Inquiry, when he denied telling the OPP brass to 'Get the f****** Indians out of the park'.

Harris' own Attorney-General, Charles Harnick, told the truth, that he heard Harris make the statement.

Deb Hutton, then Harris' aide, (now Tim Hudak's wife) lied 134 times, saying she 'didn't recall', when her own notes clearly indicated that Harris made such statements.

Genocide, getting rid of Indigenous Peoples and their rights, is what every government in Canada has continuously tried to do.

And your position is that they should finish the genocide.

But that's kinda illegal ... and unrealistic.

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So what. Harris was right about forcing them to leave. And don't tell me dudley george did not have a gun. And giving natives the many billions a yr, is not genocide. The problem is people will not call a spade a spade. The chiefs and band councils are 98% of the problem. Just like the enquiry on tygte murders of native women. that is not needed because everyone knows the problem, it has been proved. The natives want to keep this going until they get the answer they want, it is the white man's fault.

Edited January 7, 2016 by PIK

[eyeball]

I don't think you read it very well. The article is a complaint about how ad-hom attacks on non-politically correct views have become the norm in political debate and this has made it impossible for rational discussions of the issues. It is a call to end the totalitarianism of the left before it completely destroys our society.

Of course, the argument went right over the heads of most lefty posters here who immediately responded with more of the ad-hom attacks designed to prevent people from expressing opposition to their totalitarian world views.

I'm actually more pissed off at the political correctness that so-called left-wing politicians like Uncle Dosanjh have to reserve for the overly sensitive right-wing. I'm specifically talking about the need to pussyfoot around the issue of root causes and western complicity in starting the modern clash of civilizations AKA the GWOT. They do this because of their cowardice in the face of conservatives going ballistic.

The left needs to put front and center the reality that the muslim world has legitimate grievances against the west's behaviour and it needs to get in the face of hard-boiled conservative resistance and denial of that reality.

The Liberals have come close to broaching this issue twice but have backed away from it and their wishy-washiness is only worsening and prolonging the situation. Fool us once shame on them fool us twice shame on us.

[Argus]

Really? You missed it?

The judge concluded that Harris lied to the Inquiry, when he denied telling the OPP brass to 'Get the f****** Indians out of the park'.

So? I see nothing wrong with him making the statement. And I don't care if he lied to the farcical 'commission' set up by that sleazebag McGuinty.

Genocide, getting rid of Indigenous Peoples and their rights, is what every government in Canada has continuously tried to do.

Well, they don't seem to be very good at it given native numbers continue to grow year by year.

[Smallc]

They are not being "kept" there: That implies against their will.

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Poverty and dependence keeps them there.

[Big Guy]

I'm still waiting for a response to my inquiry in post #73. May be waiting for awhile.

To reply to a comment is not a directive but a courtesy. I reply to courteous and honest questions with courteous and honest answers. Baiting, insults or lack of civility I ignore.