Argus Posted December 16, 2015 Report Posted December 16, 2015 "I've asked this before. If we are responsible for China's CO2 emissions when they burn our coal or oil, does that mean someone else is responsible when we burn imported oil?" Both parties are responsible in all instances. If there's one thing the right can't stand it's responsibility and courage to do the right thing. If it's one thing the Left has in abundance, it's the courage to spend other people's money and sacrifice other people's livelihood on behalf of their ideological aims. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
G Huxley Posted December 16, 2015 Author Report Posted December 16, 2015 "If it's one thing the Left has in abundance, it's the courage to spend other people's money and sacrifice other people's livelihood on behalf of their ideological aims."Hello, The Neocons spent 1 billion dollars a day in Iraq. The left has spent 2.5 billion on climate change 2 and a half days in Iraq. Not even comparable. Quote
eyeball Posted December 16, 2015 Report Posted December 16, 2015 If it's one thing the Left has in abundance, it's the courage to spend other people's money and sacrifice other people's livelihood on behalf of their ideological aims.If there's one thing the right has in abundance it's the capacity to sacrifice other people's ecosystems and right's on behalf of their portfolios. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 16, 2015 Report Posted December 16, 2015 Hello, The Neocons spent 1 billion dollars a day in Iraq. The left has spent 2.5 billion on climate change 2 and a half days in Iraq. Not even comparable. Actually, "they" spent a lot more on climate change too...that's why we get so many references here to NASA, NOAA, NSIDC, GISS, etc. Trudeau's commitment can't be any worse than Canada's previous commitment. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 16, 2015 Report Posted December 16, 2015 If there's one thing the right has in abundance it's the capacity to sacrifice other people's ecosystems and right's on behalf of their portfolios. Agreed, but not just for the right...excellent examples can be found in BC's forests and economic fishing zones. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted December 16, 2015 Report Posted December 16, 2015 Agreed, but not just for the right...excellent examples can be found in BC's forests and economic fishing zones. Which are pretty much dominated by a portfolio of giant interests with little regard for people or ecosystems. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 16, 2015 Report Posted December 16, 2015 Which are pretty much dominated by a portfolio of giant interests with little regard for people or ecosystems. BC's government happily takes the resulting tax revenue, as will Trudeau's government. Yay climate change ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted December 16, 2015 Report Posted December 16, 2015 They love the arrangement better than anyone. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Argus Posted December 16, 2015 Report Posted December 16, 2015 "If it's one thing the Left has in abundance, it's the courage to spend other people's money and sacrifice other people's livelihood on behalf of their ideological aims." Hello, The Neocons spent 1 billion dollars a day in Iraq. The left has spent 2.5 billion on climate change 2 and a half days in Iraq. Not even comparable. Cite? I'm pretty sure Canada's government spent pretty much nothing in Iraq. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 16, 2015 Report Posted December 16, 2015 If there's one thing the right has in abundance it's the capacity to sacrifice other people's ecosystems and right's on behalf of their portfolios. If a people insist on independence then their own government's job is to look after their ecosystems and rights. It certainly isn't the job of Canada or its corporations. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted December 17, 2015 Report Posted December 17, 2015 If a people insist on independence then their own government's job is to look after their ecosystems and rights. It certainly isn't the job of Canada or its corporations. It should certainly be the job of our government to ensure our economy isn't undermined because of the clear advantage dictatorships provide Canadian financial capital and natural resources. And it shouldn't be encouraging corporations to take advantage either. Our government is failing us on both counts. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
G Huxley Posted December 17, 2015 Author Report Posted December 17, 2015 Argus I wasn't referring to the Canadian government. I was referring to the right wingers in the States. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 17, 2015 Report Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) Canada spent more than $225 million in Iraq after the invasion, mostly to avoid being shut out of lucrative contracts. Like Chretien, Martin, and Harper, Trudeau will be forced to play ball or not get to play the climate change game. Edited December 17, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted December 17, 2015 Report Posted December 17, 2015 Canada spent more than $225 million in Iraq after the invasion, mostly to avoid being shut out of lucrative contracts. Like Chretien, Martin, and Harper, Trudeau will be forced to play ball or not get to play the climate change game. Oh but look at how much we saved by not getting sucked into an illegal war. Yay Chretien! Quote
waldo Posted December 17, 2015 Report Posted December 17, 2015 I've asked this before. If we are responsible for China's CO2 emissions when they burn our coal or oil, does that mean someone else is responsible when we burn imported oil? nice! As I'm aware, as I've personally written, speaking to the emissions reflected within tarsands exports is to reinforce that emissions associated with the tarsands are not simply those of a Canadian domestic nature. However, on that "responsibility front" you're so apparently victimized by, how would you prefer to label that influence tarsands exports have on possibly impacting/delaying an export countries shift away from degrees of fossil-fuel dependency? . Quote
waldo Posted December 17, 2015 Report Posted December 17, 2015 Actually, "they" spent a lot more on climate change too...that's why we get so many references here to NASA, NOAA, NSIDC, GISS, etc. and why we get so many references from you here pointing out whenever a MLW member makes a reference to, "NASA, NOAA, NSIDC, GISS, etc."! . Trudeau's commitment can't be any worse than Canada's previous commitment. good on ya! Your (Kyoto) focus is now correct... Canada... not the Liberal Party of Canada. I trust I will never have to play out, again, my bookmarked post challenging you to support your oft repeated claims concerning the Liberal Party and Kyoto... my post detailing actions/plans of the Chretien/Martin Liberal governments towards meeting Canada's Kyoto commitment have... apparently, finally met the/your mark. . Quote
waldo Posted December 17, 2015 Report Posted December 17, 2015 BC's government happily takes the resulting tax revenue, as will Trudeau's government. Yay climate change ! "takes" as in... returns... that tax revenue to BC taxpayers!. See the British Columbia revenue-neutral carbon tax: All carbon tax revenue is recycled through tax reductions – The government has a legal requirement to present an annual plan to the legislature demonstrating how all of the carbon tax revenue will be returned to taxpayers through tax reductions. The money will not be used to fund government programs. Quote
Argus Posted December 17, 2015 Report Posted December 17, 2015 nice! As I'm aware, as I've personally written, speaking to the emissions reflected within tarsands exports is to reinforce that emissions associated with the tarsands are not simply those of a Canadian domestic nature. However, on that "responsibility front" you're so apparently victimized by, how would you prefer to label that influence tarsands exports have on possibly impacting/delaying an export countries shift away from degrees of fossil-fuel dependency? . As non-existent. What other countries do within their borders is up to them. It's not our responsibility to oversee the development or behaviour of autonomous international bodies. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
drummindiver Posted December 17, 2015 Report Posted December 17, 2015 nice! As I'm aware, as I've personally written, speaking to the emissions reflected within tarsands exports is to reinforce that emissions associated with the tarsands are not simply those of a Canadian domestic nature. However, on that "responsibility front" you're so apparently victimized by, how would you prefer to label that influence tarsands exports have on possibly impacting/delaying an export countries shift away from degrees of fossil-fuel dependency? . sigh tar is for roads. we have oil sands. I guess the world should be suing Scotland every time a person gets a DUI while drinking scotch. Quote
waldo Posted December 17, 2015 Report Posted December 17, 2015 sigh tar is for roads. we have oil sands. tarsands is the industry originated name... a marketing wizard thought it more apropos to re-brand as "oil sands"... what would you call bitumen if not tar?... it's certainly not oil! How about sludge? Quote
waldo Posted December 17, 2015 Report Posted December 17, 2015 What other countries do within their borders is up to them. It's not our responsibility to oversee the development or behaviour of autonomous international bodies. you continue to play your "responsibility strawman"! Again, speaking to the emissions reflected within tarsands exports is to reinforce that emissions associated with the tarsands are not simply those of a Canadian domestic mining/extract nature. Quote
Shady Posted December 17, 2015 Report Posted December 17, 2015 you continue to play your "responsibility strawman"! Again, speaking to the emissions reflected within tarsands exports is to reinforce that emissions associated with the tarsands are not simply those of a Canadian domestic mining/extract nature. Are these emissions you speak of in relation to global cooling? (Industry originated name) Quote
waldo Posted December 17, 2015 Report Posted December 17, 2015 Are these emissions you speak of in relation to global cooling? (Industry originated name) this is not the thread to ply your denial Quote
Shady Posted December 18, 2015 Report Posted December 18, 2015 this is not the thread to ply your denial I'm not denying anything. Just using industry originated name, that's all. Quote
drummindiver Posted December 18, 2015 Report Posted December 18, 2015 tarsands is the industry originated name... a marketing wizard thought it more apropos to re-brand as "oil sands"... what would you call bitumen if not tar?... it's certainly not oil! How about sludge? http://www.eurobitume.eu/bitumen/what-bitumen Quote
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