DogOnPorch Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 How did tithe do? One could claim that Christian Charity would be only for Christians. But it would also be incorrect as we have real-life examples happening right now re: Muslims from "Syria". Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dialamah Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 Pretty sure that Zakat can only be given to muslims, not non-muslims. And zakat can be used to fund jihad (didn't prophet Mohamed fund his campaign in Syria using Zakat?). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakat "Those fighting for a religious cause or a cause of God (Fī Sabīlillāh),[15] or for Jihad in the way of Allah by means of pen, word, or sword,[50] or for Islamic warriors who fight against the unbelievers but are not part of salaried soldiers." ISIS is funded in large part by Zakat. "Islamic scholarship, historically, has taught that only Muslims can be recipients of zakat." I don't see how zakat is for the benefit for society as a whole, at least as long as a significant proportion of humanity is not muslim. Sister tells me that Quran teaches that one should give aid to the closest person in need, no specification about Muslim-only. Some Muslims do believe that it should only be given to Muslims. Some Muslim organizations give to many different charities, including Christian and other non-Muslim charities. Some do not. So, you are half-right.
DogOnPorch Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 Sister tells me that Quran teaches that one should give aid to the closest person in need, no specification about Muslim-only. Some Muslims do believe that it should only be given to Muslims. Some Muslim organizations give to many different charities, including Christian and other non-Muslim charities. Some do not. So, you are half-right. What is the Jizya? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
On Guard for Thee Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 One could claim that Christian Charity would be only for Christians. But it would also be incorrect as we have real-life examples happening right now re: Muslims from "Syria". Tithes were only for Christians as well. Although they were not allocated to the people, only to the ministry's.
DogOnPorch Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 Tithes were only for Christians as well. Although they were not allocated to the people, only to the ministry's. ...and we all know that Christian groups are HELPING Muslims....correct? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
-1=e^ipi Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 Sister tells me that Quran teaches that one should give aid to the closest person in need, no specification about Muslim-only. There are differing views, but your sister does not have the majority position. Is she a liberal muslim?
On Guard for Thee Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 ...and we all know that Christian groups are HELPING Muslims....correct? Is there a point to that question?
DogOnPorch Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 There are differing views, but your sister does not have the majority position. Is she a liberal muslim? Indeed. Zakat is for Muslims. Jizya is a tax non-Muslims pay Muslims to avoid violence and such. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 Is there a point to that question? Do you admit Christian churches in the West are generally opening their doors to Islam re: charity? It's a simple question. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 Sister tells me that Quran teaches that one should give aid to the closest person in need, no specification about Muslim-only. Some Muslims do believe that it should only be given to Muslims. Some Muslim organizations give to many different charities, including Christian and other non-Muslim charities. Some do not. So, you are half-right. What is the Jizya? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
On Guard for Thee Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 Do you admit Christian churches in the West are generally opening their doors to Islam re: charity? It's a simple question. And the simple answer is that a lot of people are welcoming refugees, some of them may be Christian.
DogOnPorch Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 And the simple answer is that a lot of people are welcoming refugees, some of them may be Christian. LOL...even when you KNOW Christian groups are mostly helping Muslims, you can't admit it. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
On Guard for Thee Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 LOL...even when you KNOW Christian groups are mostly helping Muslims, you can't admit it. LOL...exactly what is it you think I should be admitting?
dialamah Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 There are differing views, but your sister does not have the majority position. Is she a liberal muslim? No doubt there are differing views. I would definitely consider my sister and her husband and husband's family moderate Muslims.
DogOnPorch Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 LOL...exactly what is it you think I should be admitting? No worries. You weren't going to admit it anyways. No doubt there are differing views. I would definitely consider my sister and her husband and husband's family moderate Muslims. What is the Jizya? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
-1=e^ipi Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 No doubt there are differing views. I would definitely consider my sister and her husband and husband's family moderate Muslims. But are they liberal muslims? I use the word liberal because moderate in the context of Islam can mean many things.
On Guard for Thee Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 No worries. You weren't going to admit it anyways. That church groups helped support refugees you mean? Are you stuck back on that?
DogOnPorch Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 But are they liberal muslims? I use the word liberal because moderate in the context of Islam can mean many things. Yes...it could mean anything from nonobservant to out of ammo. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 That church groups helped support refugees you mean? Are you stuck back on that? Great...you agree. Any mosques sponsoring fleeing Christians? There must be at least one. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dialamah Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 (edited) Many Muslims help Christians, and others. They help build Christian churches, they protect non-Muslims from Islamic Extremists, they help the homeless. Jizya was originally a tax levied on the non-believers, so that the non-believers did not have to provide soldier's for Muhammeds wars. The tax was only levied against men of 'soldiering' age. It caused resentment among Muslims, who questioned why non-believers shouldn't pay the same taxes Muslims paid, and so the Jizya was expanded to all non-believers. No idea how or where its implemented now. Edited December 15, 2015 by dialamah
On Guard for Thee Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 Great...you agree. Any mosques sponsoring fleeing Christians? There must be at least one. So you're flogging Christianity now are you? Best of luck.
dialamah Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 But are they liberal muslims? I use the word liberal because moderate in the context of Islam can mean many things. What would you mean by a "Liberal Muslim?" I've no doubt that they'd vote for Trudeau if they happened to be in Canada, but that seems pretty irrelevant here. Can you be more specific about what a "Liberal Muslim" would look like?
dialamah Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 Any mosques sponsoring fleeing Christians? There must be at least one. In a statement earlier this week, the shrine of Imam Ali announced that “it is ready to host the Christian families who departed their houses in fear of being killed by what is so called the Islamic State of Iraq and Levant.” The deputy secretary-general of the Holy Shrine, Zuhair Shurba, told IraqiNews.com “The Holy Shrine can host many Christian families and provide them all their basic needs.” So yes, at least one. I bet you'd find more if you looked.
DogOnPorch Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 (edited) Many Muslims help Christians, and others. They help build Christian churches, they protect non-Muslims from Islamic Extremists, they help the homeless. Jizya was originally a tax levied on the non-believers, so that the non-believers did not have to provide soldier's for Muhammed's wars. The tax was only levied against men of 'soldiering' age. It caused resentment among Muslims, who questioned why non-believers shouldn't pay the same taxes Muslims paid, and so the Jizya was expanded to all non-believers. No idea how or where its implemented now. I find mosques in the West are the likely ones helping Christians. In Muslim lands, the Friday sermon is often about taking the fight to the infidel. Sort of like Easter only weekly. For the Dhimmi, the Jizya was a second tax...not the only tax. Dhimmis were exempt from military service but could volunteer and avoid the Jizya. Few did. As well, there are numerous exceptions for 'big shots' who don't fit the mold but who have value...such as Glubb Pasha...one was likely paying HIM tax. An interesting note was that it was the 1858 Land Code of the Ottoman Sultan that allowed the purchase of land by non-Muslims. His coffers were empty after the Crimea War. This is what opened the door to Zionism and the creation of Israel. The Jizya was offered to those that bought land. Edited December 15, 2015 by DogOnPorch Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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