Islamophobia in Canada

[Rue]

1 hour ago, marcus said:

Is this how you describe the Jewish violent behaviour in ME?

Yes with ultra Orthodox Jews who inbreed.  By the way are anti Zionist. For most Israelis that you would call violent, I would probably suggest they

would laugh in your face and say if you think they should sit and be passive in the face of violence and terror by Muslim extremism you would be mistaken.

Genetic inbreeding which no one likes to discuss is common in certain cultures and in many conflict zones that have perpetual civil wars.

If you want to pretend it doesn't happen in the ME knock yourself out. It directly relates to a great deal of the mental illness in the ME.

You and Taxme have one thing in common.

 

[Rue]

Lest anyone think I am being despicable inbreeding in the ME is interconnected to the terrorism and violence. Its a vicious cycle. People don't marry outside their immediate families because of the sheer volume and depth of civil war between villages and towns not just countries. Its also fueled by Islam which finds marrying cousins permissible.

Either way its wide spread. No its not widespread in Israel but it is a factor with ultra-orthodox Jews, Amish, certain closed Christian sects but not at the volume of Islamic marriages. Inbreeding stunts intelligence and does not promote creative thinking. For societies to evolve past primal ape pack behaviour that self implodes, as is happening in the ME it needs to move outside its own genetic pool. Its a major weakness in any fundamental society. No one discusses its impact on ME psychology and social psychology.

Its a factor  of many conflict zones. Croatia, Serbia, Northern Ireland, The Basque Region, Albania, Chechnya. Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, UAE. Qatar are examples.

I introduce the topic into this thread because it dwells on the same narrow subjective opinions.

[dialamah]

Just now, Rue said:

Lest anyone think I am being despicable inbreeding in the ME is interconnected to the terrorism and violence. Its a vicious cycle. People don't marry outside their immediate families because of the sheer volume and depth of civil war between villages and towns not just countries. Its also fueled by Islam which finds marrying cousins permissible.

Either way its wide spread. No its not widespread in Israel but it is a factor with ultra-orthodox Jews, Amish, certain closed Christian sects but not at the volume of Islamic marriages. Inbreeding stunts intelligence and does not promote creative thinking. For societies to evolve past primal ape pack behaviour that self implodes, as is happening in the ME it needs to move outside its own genetic pool. Its a major weakness in any fundamental society. No one discusses its impact on ME psychology and social psychology.

Its a factor  of many conflict zones. Croatia, Serbia, Northern Ireland, The Basque Region, Albania, Chechnya. Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, UAE. Qatar are examples.

I introduce the topic into this thread because it dwells on the same narrow subjective opinions.

This is an interesting assertion and I wonder if you have sources for it.

[Rue]

29 minutes ago, dialamah said:

This is an interesting assertion and I wonder if you have sources for it.

 

https://en.europenews.dk/-Muslim-Inbreeding-Impacts-on-intelligence-sanity-health-and-society-78170.html

 

http://www.as.wvu.edu/~kgarbutt/QuantGen/Gen535Papers2/Inbreeding.htm

 

http://www.cags.org.ae/cb405c2.pdf

 

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232241577_Consanguinity_and_genetic_disorders_in_Egypt

 

https://academic.oup.com/nar/article/34/suppl_1/D602/1132251/CTGA-the-database-for-genetic-disorders-in-Arab

I tried to find Muslim authors so I will not be accused of being anti Muslim.

All societies including now Islamic ones have had to deal with this issue if they were to evolve past violence.

 

 

 

[marcus]

10 hours ago, Rue said:

Yes with ultra Orthodox Jews who inbreed.  By the way are anti Zionist. For most Israelis that you would call violent, I would probably suggest they

would laugh in your face and say if you think they should sit and be passive in the face of violence and terror by Muslim extremism you would be mistaken.

Genetic inbreeding which no one likes to discuss is common in certain cultures and in many conflict zones that have perpetual civil wars.

If you want to pretend it doesn't happen in the ME knock yourself out. It directly relates to a great deal of the mental illness in the ME.

You and Taxme have one thing in common.

 

I never pretended it didn't happen. Sure. Of course. There are cultures who practice it more than others. Jews are also known for keeping it in the family. That's why there are many genetic diseases that are seen in only Jews. Inbreeding, especially amongst Ashkenazi Jews has been well documented.

You are once again trying to paint Muslims as sub-humans, and you are putting all of them into one category, like they all behave the same way. You are also projecting and pushing your racist ideas by calling Muslims mentally sick and inbreeders because of your zealotry and tribalism.

If you were interested in understanding the region better and if you were able to look at it from a sober, non-zealot point of view, you would be able to better describe why there is violence in the Middle East. One of the main reasons why there is instability is because for over a century, England and the U.S. have been installing dictators in the Middle East, in order to protect the resources they have had control over and because of geopolitical reasons. Despite West's chants for democracy and human rights, their actions says something else. The Middle East industry has given them billions in resources, weapon selling and rebuilding (sort of) what they broke. In order for the money to flow, they need an ISIS. They need chaos. They need tyrants who help them create all of that.

Holding Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Israel's hands is a perfect example of U.S. and the rest of West's long tradition of being the main reason we have chaos in the Middle East.

Just look at their support for the past and current dictators and tyrants in that region. There are also the military attacks, which continue to set these countries back. Iraq and Afghanistan are a perfect example of that. The chaos and instability created by the U.S., with the support of the West, have set these countries back by generations.

 

Edited May 30, 2017 by marcus

[Rue]

Actually no Jews don't. Jews and Christians both have prohibited marriages of cousins for thousands of years. Fundamentalist sects of Christians and Jews, not mainstream ones marry cousins. This is because of their fear/distrust of people outside their group. There are genetic diseases attributable to Ashkenazi Jews  probably due to inbreeding and when I say that not going far enough outsider their genetic pool. All peoples have it to an extent.

In the Middle East its a problem all across the Arab nations so much so that in Syria, Lebanon, Tunisia, Egypt. Saudi Arabia you have specialists trying to deal with it. Its a problem in Pakistan. The reason I mention it is not to insult Muslims. Its a factor though in development of a society where you can have a source of people that do not have pre-existing medical illnesses including mental ones and low iq's. It sounds Nazi like what I am saying, I mean it with respect as an explanation. All societies have to move outside their own pool of people to advance. Ii is an inherent weakness if any people don't mix and reach out to other groups.

Whether there is a direct link to terrorism and violence is being studied but politically in Syria and Iraq for example when you have people fearing people in the next village so only marrying within their own village it compounds first cousin marriages. The huge rates of genetic illness from inbreeding are a challenge.

If Israeli Jews on the West Bank for example, were to close themselves into an enclave and not marry outside that enclave, they would implode.

This is a topic numerous Arab and Muslim social scientists are studying but we don't talk about it. In the clash between West and East values as to who we marry and who we trust to marry factor into civil wars. Whether the distrust from religious disagreements or political disagreements causes it or following certain religious doctrine or both its a problem.

Back in the early 80's we took in Syrian and Lebanese refugees we first notiiced high rates of diseases related to marrying cousins. One of the most common is Guillen-Barre syndrome if I spelled that right.

Now I raise the issue because its one of the practical and unspoken social differences between the West and the East. It is a huge factor in civil wars in the ME and how disputes are not just Sunni v. Shiite but from village to village and causing  bio-social problems.

I defer to Muslim social scientists on its impact. I appreciate it can be used and distorted to rationalize hatred. Concepts like Jews or Muslims are klanish is not the issue. Its far more complex. Many societies get trapped in being too closed.

 

 

 

Edited May 30, 2017 by Rue

[Rue]

5 hours ago, marcus said:

Jews are also known for keeping it in the family.

You are once again trying to paint Muslims as sub-humans, and you are putting all of them into one category, like they all behave the same way. You are also projecting and pushing your racist ideas by calling Muslims mentally sick and inbreeders because of your zealotry and tribalism.

reasons why there is instability is because for over a century, England and the U.S. have been installing dictators in the Middle East, in order to protect the resources they have had control over and because of geopolitical reasons. Despite West's chants for democracy and human rights, their actions says something else. The Middle East industry has given them billions in resources, weapon selling and rebuilding (sort of) what they broke. In order for the money to flow, they need an ISIS. They need chaos. They need tyrants who help them create all of that.

Holding Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Israel's hands is a perfect example of U.S. and the rest of West's long tradition of being the main reason we have chaos in the Middle East.

Just look at their support for the past and current dictators and tyrants in that region. There are also the military attacks, which continue to set these countries back. Iraq and Afghanistan are a perfect example of that. The chaos and instability created by the U.S., with the support of the West, have set these countries back by generations.

 

1. The diseases attributable with Ashklenazis are indeed related to not going far enough outside a genetic pool but Ashkenazi Jews do not marry first cousins. Its against Jewish law. But hey you knew that.

2. Muslims are not a race. They are a collective of many peoples who practice Islam a religion. In many Muslim countries,because the religion allows first cousin marriages, genetic diseases result. There is widespread genetic disease. Stating that is fact not racist.

3. I have not stated any concept that stereotypes all Muslims. I am saying that as long as marrying first cousins is mainstream practice in Muslim societies which it is, this as well as civil wars create conditions where people do not marry far enough outside their gene pool creating bio-social issues that prevent the society from developing.

4. Children of inbreeding have higher rates of mental illness, physical illnesses and lowered intellectual impairment. That is all fact.

5. To examine the breakdown within Muslim societies of the Middle East and its nations' inability to police terrorism within its borders starts with its own culture where people do not trust the people in the village next door and marry first cousins. Its an unpleasant topic but it has to be discussed.

6. You not I are trying to turn it into a Jew v. Muslim pissing match.

7. I raised it precisely because people like you have one simplistic formula for why the Middle East is unstable-you blame it on the "Euro colonialists". Inbreeding and marrying first cousins and village to village conflict is as old as Muhammed himself who married his first cousin.

8.The breakdown in Muslim society causing civil wars has gone on far longer than your colonial scapegoats have existed.

9. Your selective take on blaming Saudi Arabia, Israel and the US for ME problems is standard pro Iranian pap. Thanks. I see the Tehran desk is at it with the usual stale script. Come on boys you seem to forget China and Russia and Iran have something to do with the instability as well.

10. I suppose its easier to blame the West then look within Muslim societies for its own self inflicted destructive practices right?  Now speaking about "racism" why is it your only script for defining the Middle East's problems is one that never examines Muslim behaviour? Hmmmm? You going to tell me you don't consider Jews. Sunnis, Westerners, Americans in the very blanket stereotypes you accuse me of holding against Muslims? Lol.  Do you now speak for Saudi Arabians? Last I looked they were Muslim and you seem to have blamed them all for the MEs problems. Ooops strange how that works. In one sentence you pose as defender against the very bigotry you spew out.

I challenge Muslim societies to adapt progressive standards as to marriage. Until it does, its very base of social building block to achieve stable societies and regimes will not exist. Sadaam Hussein was born in a world where his village clashed with the one next door to it. His entire existence came from learning as a child to kill his own people next door. The entire Middle East is a series of inter Muslim disputes not just Muslims v. Zionists. You don't and can't acknowledge that in your script.

You examine how Muslims treat one another, why they marry cousins, why they are taught by their religion to distrust non Muslims-you? You acknowledge the thousands of years of war against non Muslims long before colonialists existed..you?

Tell me you think Muslims are killing Christians in Egypt, Sudan and Nigeria is caused by Israel and the US? You? Who do you think funds Boca Ratan,the genocidal maniacs in Sudan, Syria, who? You want to pretend Iran does not fund terrorism as much as Saudi Arabia and the two do so along with Qatar in direct opposition to US and Israel interests? You? Lol.

[DogOnPorch]

8 hours ago, marcus said:

I never pretended it didn't happen. Sure. Of course. There are cultures who practice it more than others. Jews are also known for keeping it in the family. That's why there are many genetic diseases that are seen in only Jews. Inbreeding, especially amongst Ashkenazi Jews has been well documented.

You are once again trying to paint Muslims as sub-humans, and you are putting all of them into one category, like they all behave the same way. You are also projecting and pushing your racist ideas by calling Muslims mentally sick and inbreeders because of your zealotry and tribalism.

If you were interested in understanding the region better and if you were able to look at it from a sober, non-zealot point of view, you would be able to better describe why there is violence in the Middle East. One of the main reasons why there is instability is because for over a century, England and the U.S. have been installing dictators in the Middle East, in order to protect the resources they have had control over and because of geopolitical reasons. Despite West's chants for democracy and human rights, their actions says something else. The Middle East industry has given them billions in resources, weapon selling and rebuilding (sort of) what they broke. In order for the money to flow, they need an ISIS. They need chaos. They need tyrants who help them create all of that.

Holding Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Israel's hands is a perfect example of U.S. and the rest of West's long tradition of being the main reason we have chaos in the Middle East.

Just look at their support for the past and current dictators and tyrants in that region. There are also the military attacks, which continue to set these countries back. Iraq and Afghanistan are a perfect example of that. The chaos and instability created by the U.S., with the support of the West, have set these countries back by generations.

 

 

Marcus inhabits a world where both the Soviet Union and the Ottoman Empire simply didn't exist.

[Argus]

20 hours ago, marcus said:

Is this how you describe the Jewish violent behaviour in ME?

As far as I can see the 'Jewish' behaviour in the ME is entirely that of self defense. Whenever no one attacks them there is no violence.

Do you feel its wrong for Jews to be able to defend themselves?

Edited May 30, 2017 by Argus

[marcus]

2 minutes ago, Argus said:

As far as I can see the 'Jewish' behaviour in the ME is entirely that of self defense. Whenever no one attacks them there is no violence.

Do you feel its wrong for Jews to be able to defend themselves?

Your use of the word defending would only make sense if defending = taking Palestinian land by force, controlling and occupying Palestinians and not allowing a Palestinian State to be formed.

That kind of defending is wrong.

[Argus]

10 hours ago, marcus said:

I never pretended it didn't happen. Sure. Of course. There are cultures who practice it more than others. Jews are also known for keeping it in the family. That's why there are many genetic diseases that are seen in only Jews. Inbreeding, especially amongst Ashkenazi Jews has been well documented.

You are once again trying to paint Muslims as sub-humans, and you are putting all of them into one category, like they all behave the same way. You are also projecting and pushing your racist ideas by calling Muslims mentally sick and inbreeders because of your zealotry and tribalism.

Does that mean you are projecting and pushing your racist ideas on us by calling Jews mentally sick and inbreeders because of your zealotry and tribalism too?

At least his statement is said in an academic way with citations behind it. Your seems like nothing more than the lashing out of an angry, red-faced zealot.

 

 

[Argus]

Just now, marcus said:

Your use of the word defending would only make sense if defending = taking Palestinian land by force, controlling and occupying Palestinians and not allowing a Palestinian State to be formed.

That kind of defending is wrong.

Defending as in beating the enemies that attacked them, enemies which refused to sign a peace accord and thus never got their land back. The Palestinians never owned a country, and what's left of it now that Jordan has snatched off a big chunk is never going to rise to the heights of economic and political stability like Yemen. It will be the world's new basket case, utterly impoverished and home to violent extremists. There is no place for a Palestinian state. The West bank should be absorbed by Jordan and the Gaza strip by Egypt.

[marcus]

5 hours ago, Rue said:

1. The diseases attributable with Ashklenazis are indeed related to not going far enough outside a genetic pool but Ashkenazi Jews do not marry first cousins. Its against Jewish law. But hey you knew that.

2. Muslims are not a race. They are a collective of many peoples who practice Islam a religion. In many Muslim countries,because the religion allows first cousin marriages, genetic diseases result. There is widespread genetic disease. Stating that is fact not racist.

3. I have not stated any concept that stereotypes all Muslims. I am saying that as long as marrying first cousins is mainstream practice in Muslim societies which it is, this as well as civil wars create conditions where people do not marry far enough outside their gene pool creating bio-social issues that prevent the society from developing.

4. Children of inbreeding have higher rates of mental illness, physical illnesses and lowered intellectual impairment. That is all fact.

5. To examine the breakdown within Muslim societies of the Middle East and its nations' inability to police terrorism within its borders starts with its own culture where people do not trust the people in the village next door and marry first cousins. Its an unpleasant topic but it has to be discussed.

6. You not I are trying to turn it into a Jew v. Muslim pissing match.

7. I raised it precisely because people like you have one simplistic formula for why the Middle East is unstable-you blame it on the "Euro colonialists". Inbreeding and marrying first cousins and village to village conflict is as old as Muhammed himself who married his first cousin.

8.The breakdown in Muslim society causing civil wars has gone on far longer than your colonial scapegoats have existed.

9. Your selective take on blaming Saudi Arabia, Israel and the US for ME problems is standard pro Iranian pap. Thanks. I see the Tehran desk is at it with the usual stale script. Come on boys you seem to forget China and Russia and Iran have something to do with the instability as well.

10. I suppose its easier to blame the West then look within Muslim societies for its own self inflicted destructive practices right?  Now speaking about "racism" why is it your only script for defining the Middle East's problems is one that never examines Muslim behaviour? Hmmmm? You going to tell me you don't consider Jews. Sunnis, Westerners, Americans in the very blanket stereotypes you accuse me of holding against Muslims? Lol.  Do you now speak for Saudi Arabians? Last I looked they were Muslim and you seem to have blamed them all for the MEs problems. Ooops strange how that works. In one sentence you pose as defender against the very bigotry you spew out.

I challenge Muslim societies to adapt progressive standards as to marriage. Until it does, its very base of social building block to achieve stable societies and regimes will not exist. Sadaam Hussein was born in a world where his village clashed with the one next door to it. His entire existence came from learning as a child to kill his own people next door. The entire Middle East is a series of inter Muslim disputes not just Muslims v. Zionists. You don't and can't acknowledge that in your script.

You examine how Muslims treat one another, why they marry cousins, why they are taught by their religion to distrust non Muslims-you? You acknowledge the thousands of years of war against non Muslims long before colonialists existed..you?

Tell me you think Muslims are killing Christians in Egypt, Sudan and Nigeria is caused by Israel and the US? You? Who do you think funds Boca Ratan,the genocidal maniacs in Sudan, Syria, who? You want to pretend Iran does not fund terrorism as much as Saudi Arabia and the two do so along with Qatar in direct opposition to US and Israel interests? You? Lol.

I'm a passionate defender of human rights, justice and the truth. I have no time to sit here and respond to people who try to brush aside my thoughts and comments with their paranoid accusations of 'agent of Tehran'. One more comment like that and I will have no other option but to put you on ignore.

We have countries being pushed back by generations. We have many of the academics and business people escaping these countries because of the chaos and instability that has been created by the West's repeated wars. Of course you will not see progress. You see regression. You see Saudi backed groups such as ISIS coming in.  You will see other outside groups, like Iranians coming in, trying to shift the powers towards themselves. You will see infighting. And you will see the ugliness spill over into our lands.

The barbaric practices by ISIS and Al Qaeda used to be confined in pockets in Saudi Arabia. They had no power. They had no control. However, West's actions has created an environment where they can grow.

Scores of civilians that included children were killed by US bombing in Mayadeen in Syria just a few days ago. This will make it easier for groups like ISIS to recruit impressionable, marginalized kids to blow themselves in our lands. These types of responses have nothing to do with religion and everything to do with our policies.

[DogOnPorch]

11 minutes ago, Argus said:

Defending as in beating the enemies that attacked them, enemies which refused to sign a peace accord and thus never got their land back. The Palestinians never owned a country, and what's left of it now that Jordan has snatched off a big chunk is never going to rise to the heights of economic and political stability like Yemen. It will be the world's new basket case, utterly impoverished and home to violent extremists. There is no place for a Palestinian state. The West bank should be absorbed by Jordan and the Gaza strip by Egypt.

 

Correct. The Arabs started all the Arab-Israeli wars. 

Before 1967, "Palestinians" in the Gaza Strip region (created by war) were indeed Egyptian. Yassir Arafat was born in Cairo making him Egyptian. Jordan captured and annexed the West Bank in the 67 war. The Arabs in that region are Jordanians (Trans-Jordanians to use an old term).

[Argus]

6 minutes ago, marcus said:

The barbaric practices by ISIS and Al Qaeda used to be confined in pockets in Saudi Arabia. They had no power. They had no control. However, West's actions has created an environment where they can grow.

Your problem is that your world view is so profoundly anti-Western that you look at the West's reaction to growing religious fundamentalism, turmoil and attacks on their citizens and then try to pretend that is the actual cause rather than the response.

[marcus]

21 minutes ago, Argus said:

Defending as in beating the enemies that attacked them, enemies which refused to sign a peace accord and thus never got their land back. The Palestinians never owned a country, and what's left of it now that Jordan has snatched off a big chunk is never going to rise to the heights of economic and political stability like Yemen. It will be the world's new basket case, utterly impoverished and home to violent extremists. There is no place for a Palestinian state. The West bank should be absorbed by Jordan and the Gaza strip by Egypt.

You are free to have strong opinions despite knowing very little about the area. 

You continuously make comments that show that you lack the fundamental knowledge of the region and when confronted about your lack of knowledge, you resist learning about it by making the same mistakes repeatedly. It's a vicious cycle. I do not have time to engage in a conversation with someone who doesn't want to learn.

[Argus]

Just now, marcus said:

You are free to have strong opinions despite knowing very little about the area. 

You continuously make comments that show that you lack the fundamental knowledge of the region and when confronted about your lack of knowledge, you resist learning about it by making the same mistakes repeatedly. It's a vicious cycle. I do not have time to engage in a conversation with someone who doesn't want to learn.

One does not need to 'learn' specific 'facts' about a region to recognize it has no economic case for existence. It has no industry. It has no natural resources. It has little water. The two sections are not geographically contiguous and have a hostile state between them. They are ruled by different organizations which are violently hostile towards each other. It exists now largely on international handouts. 

[marcus]

Just now, Argus said:

One does not need to 'learn' specific 'facts' about a region to recognize it has no economic case for existence. It has no industry. It has no natural resources. It has little water. The two sections are not geographically contiguous and have a hostile state between them. They are ruled by different organizations which are violently hostile towards each other. It exists now largely on international handouts. 

One needs to learn specific facts about a region before having such strong opinion of it. Of course you do! What nonsense!

There is no freedom of movement and freedom of economy because of Israel. Israel controls almost everything that goes in and out of the West Bank and it control everything that goes in and out of Gaza. Israel holds on to the taxes that the Palestinians are supposed to receive whenever they don't agree with an action. Money that should be going to the civil servants, hospitals and infrastructure. This is criminal. 

In the West Bank, there is no freedom of movement. This has been going on for decades. The settlements continue to grow. You can't have an economy when there is a stranglehold and control by a hostile occupier. It's called an occupation for a reason.  

I am curious why there is such resistance to acknowledging the root of the problem. The only explanation I can think of is that you treat this like some would a sports team. Like a passionate sports fan who picks a side to cheer for and unconditionally jeers the other side, no matter what. This isn't a sport, sport.

 

[Argus]

3 minutes ago, marcus said:

One needs to learn specific facts about a region before having such strong opinion of it. Of course you do! What nonsense!

There is no freedom of movement and freedom of economy because of Israel. Israel controls almost everything that goes in and out of the West Bank and it control everything that goes in and out of Gaza. Israel holds on to the taxes that the Palestinians are supposed to receive whenever they don't agree with an action. Money that should be going to the civil servants, hospitals and infrastructure. This is criminal. 

In the West Bank, there is no freedom of movement. This has been going on for decades. The settlements continue to grow. You can't have an economy when there is a stranglehold and control by a hostile occupier. It's called an occupation for a reason.  

None of which has any impact on what I wrote. Israel will always be there, and if it doesn't collect and hold taxes, well so what? There aren't enough people in Palestine with enough money to pay enough taxes to even come close to supporting a government. It is Yemen without even the benefit of an ocean coastline.

 

[Omni]

9 minutes ago, Argus said:

Israel will always be there

As long as the US says it will be there and keeps writing those $3 billion checks every year.

[DogOnPorch]

19 minutes ago, Omni said:

As long as the US says it will be there and keeps writing those $3 billion checks every year.

 

Israel had no trouble decimating Soviet supplied (for free) Arab armies with their French and WW2 surplus gear before the US decided to provide "financial support" (mostly in the form of Jet-A, if I recall). They'll have no trouble now, either. Egypt gets a similar deal...which is win-win for the USA.

M51 Super Sherman...Google and be afraid. Your modern Arab tanks melted away...

Edited May 30, 2017 by DogOnPorch

[Omni]

4 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Israel had no trouble decimating Soviet supplied (for free) Arab armies with their French and WW2 surplus gear before the US decided to provide "financial support" (mostly in the form of Jet-A, if I recall). They'll have no trouble now, either. Egypt gets a similar deal...which is win-win for the USA.

M51 Super Sherman...Google and be afraid. Your modern Arab tanks melted away...

Jet A and a few hundred attack aircraft to burn it in.

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, Omni said:

Jet A and a few hundred attack aircraft to burn it in.

 

Israel had a fine air force before the US provided fifty surplus F-16s past their due date to not tear Saddam a new a-hole for Scud attacks...but sure.

Liar, liar, pants on fire.

[Omni]

1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Israel had a fine air force before the US provided fifty surplus F-16s past their due date to not tear Saddam a new a-hole for Scud attacks...but sure.

Liar, liar, pants on fire.

Actually it's close to 300 fighters plus around 60 attack helicopters, and a number of support and transport military aircraft and tone of vehicles. Try to keep up eh.

[DogOnPorch]

To add: Israel announced it is selling-off all it's old US F-16A/B acquired during the 'Saddam deal'...looking at you Justin Trudeau...lol.