Guest Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 9 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Many Nazis never hurt a fly. I'm sure there were many individual cases. This I call: The Oskar Schindler was a good Nazi Argument. I know the argument. I would not have executed Oskar Schindler at Nuremberg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Just now, bcsapper said: I know the argument. I would not have executed Oskar Schindler at Nuremberg. Of course not. Justice isn't killing. I agree with Xtians on this point: Thou Shall Not Kill. Islam has no such article... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 12 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Many Nazis never hurt a fly. I'm sure there were many individual cases. This I call: The Oskar Schindler was a good Nazi Argument. Kinda like most Muslim's never hurt a fly eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Just now, Omni said: Kinda like most Muslim's never hurt a fly eh. Exactly like. It's a flawed argument to use it as Nazism still had to be defeated....no matter the numbers of kindly or even helpful individual National Socialists. The other option is that you accept Nazism.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Exactly like. It's a flawed argument to use it as Nazism still had to be defeated....no matter the numbers of kindly or even helpful individual National Socialists. The other option is that you accept Nazism.... Whew, talk about a flawed argument! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: The way forward is just that. Growing-up, I had dreams as a kid of living on the Moon. In 1970...such things not only seemed possible but likely. I'd never have guessed that the religion described in 1001 Arabian Nights on my bookshelf would rise to hold the modern world hostage. Resentful? You bet. Vengeful? I hope not. But that wasn't my kid splattered across Ms Grande's concert. Now Islam's defenders come-up with the usual hoohaa...like Islam is the victim here...poor Islam...and such. I say FVCK Islam. It needs to be told that in uncertain terms or you might as well submit. I had my run-in with the IRA...I even know the name of the fellow who did the deed. A changed man, apparently. But he wasn't motivated by Catholicism. Okay, you haven't said anything there that I disagree with. Except I have not heard anything about Islam being the victim. I just cannot see blaming the blameless. I freely admit I do not have their names and addresses. I just know they exist, and I know it is counterproductive to include them. I have no problem with FVCK Islam. As I said, it's an idea. I couldn't care less how many FVCKs it gets. It's no more worthy of my respect and forebearance than any other idea is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Just now, Omni said: Whew, talk about a flawed argument! You're free to accept Nazism. Or Islam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 1 minute ago, bcsapper said: Okay, you haven't said anything there that I disagree with. Except I have not heard anything about Islam being the victim. I just cannot see blaming the blameless. I freely admit I do not have their names and addresses. I just know they exist, and I know it is counterproductive to include them. I have no problem with FVCK Islam. As I said, it's an idea. I couldn't care less how many FVCKs it gets. It's no more worthy of my respect and forebearance than any other idea is. He's a big wig in Northern Irish politics, now. His name isn't a secret. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Just now, DogOnPorch said: You're free to accept Nazism. Or Islam. Oops, there you go again. You won't mind if I move from this endlessly circular discussion will you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Just now, Omni said: Oops, there you go again. You won't mind if I move from this endlessly circular discussion will you? I accept that you wish to defend Islam from the likes of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Exactly like. It's a flawed argument to use it as Nazism still had to be defeated....no matter the numbers of kindly or even helpful individual National Socialists. The other option is that you accept Nazism.... Okay, finally I see what you're getting at. I don't know how you can possibly take that argument to any kind of fruition though. Edited May 23, 2017 by bcsapper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: He's a big wig in Northern Irish politics, now. His name isn't a secret. ....oooopss...hit reply...to continue. I hold no ill will towards the man. So I hope you can see I can be reasoned with as long as the doctrine of terror is dropped and replaced by constructive politics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, bcsapper said: Okay, finally I see what you're getting at. I don't know how you can possible take that argument to any kind of fruition though. Then submit. The word Islam means submission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Just now, DogOnPorch said: ....oooopss...hit reply...to continue. I hold no ill will towards the man. So I hope you can see I can be reasoned with as long as the doctrine of terror is dropped and replaced by constructive politics Absolutely. That is my argument. There are those who hold to the doctrine of terror, those who believe in constructive politics, and then, just as there are associated with every other contentious issue, those who'd rather not give a toss (other than to join with the rest of us in some level of disgust). I wish we could concentrate our efforts on the first two groups, and ignore the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goh Shenas Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 I don't care if Muslims want to practise this barbaric filthy teligion in their own country. They can blow up eachother as many times as they like. Over here they are just guests by the rules. Don't like the way things work go back home and leave us infidels alone. Metaphorically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Then submit. The word Islam means submission. I'm all ears. I'm armed. If you have a plan, I'll give it my utmost consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goh Shenas Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: ....oooopss...hit reply...to continue. I hold no ill will towards the man. So I hope you can see I can be reasoned with as long as the doctrine of terror is dropped and replaced by constructive politics But...you cannot correct a tree that is corrupt to the root. It is irreplacable and must be eradicated to allow room for progression. Again metaphorically.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Goh Shenas said: I don't care if Muslims want to practise this barbaric filthy teligion in their own country. They can blow up eachother as many times as they like. Over here they are just guests by the rules. Don't like the way things work go back home and leave us infidels alone. Metaphorically. I care. It's all relative, I admit, but I do care. That being the case, as I said already, Salman Abedi probably did practise his barbaric filthy religion in his own country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Just now, bcsapper said: I'm all ears. I'm armed. If you have a plan, I'll give it my utmost consideration. M103 is now a reality and websites like ol' MLW are monitored by you-know-who. Our IPs are already a well-worn hard-drive full of "Islamophobia" in some vault. Some might say submission is now the only real option. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 36 minutes ago, Hydraboss said: I see where you're trying to go with this, and I would agree with the statements if you were to add: 1) All men are part of a formal "group" or "religion" that says it's expected that they rape women, and 2) there were 500 rapes per year in Canada where the men stated they did it for said group/religion. Anyone agreeing with those actions actually would be sympathizing with rapists, and there would probably be a significant chance that they are also rapists. If this were the case, you probably should hate all men and hold them guilty. 1) In terms of Muslims, most believe they are expected to treat (for example) non-believers with respect and t; others believe the opposite. In terms of rape, men belong to a group in which most believe they should treat women with respect; some believe the opposite. 2) True, no man claims he rapes a woman because it's part of his overall group culture. Except possibly in some closed groups such as polygamists who believe they have the right of unrestricted sexual access to their women, regardless of their preferences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goh Shenas Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 1 minute ago, bcsapper said: I care. It's all relative, I admit, but I do care. That being the case, as I said already, Salman Abedi probably did practise his barbaric filthy religion in his own country You cannot reason with these people. Relativity is not applicable here. This is a lost cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, Goh Shenas said: But...you cannot correct a tree that is corrupt to the root. It is irreplacable and must be eradicated to allow room for progression. Again metaphorically.... I see, so you can promote eradication of a religion and try to get away with it by calling your idea metaphorical, but of course we all that it's actually, totally HYPOCRITICAL. Nice try buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 1 minute ago, dialamah said: 1) In terms of Muslims, most believe they are expected to treat (for example) non-believers with respect and t; others believe the opposite. In terms of rape, men belong to a group in which most believe they should treat women with respect; some believe the opposite. 2) True, no man claims he rapes a woman because it's part of his overall group culture. Except possibly in some closed groups such as polygamists who believe they have the right of unrestricted sexual access to their women, regardless of their preferences. What does the Quran actually say re: treating the Unbeliever? Or must you fib? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 14 minutes ago, bcsapper said: Okay, finally I see what you're getting at. I don't know how you can possibly take that argument to any kind of fruition though. Wish I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goh Shenas Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, bcsapper said: I care. It's all relative, I admit, but I do care. That being the case, as I said already, Salman Abedi probably did practise his barbaric filthy religion in his own country How many other cases like Salman Abedi would you like to witness before you submit to Allah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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