marcus Posted October 21, 2015 Report Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) According to Netanyahu, it was the Palestinians that actually pushed Hitler to do it.This clown was making a speech at the World Zionist Congress.Prime minister tells World Zionist Congress that Hitler only wanted to expel the Jews, but Jerusalem's Grand Mufti convinced him to exterminate them, a claim that was rejected by most accepted Holocaust scholars.Read more Edited October 23, 2015 by marcus changed title; formerly entitled "Netanyahu says Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews" Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
marcus Posted October 21, 2015 Author Report Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) Netanyahu didn’t get off so easy. Despite trying his best to backpedal on Wednesday, the prime minister’s words caused an uproar, prompting both the Israeli opposition as well as Holocaust historians to condemn his remarks. Average Israelis and Palestinians did not hold back, taking to social media to mock Netanyahu’s comments. Here is one: More here. Edited October 21, 2015 by Charles Anthony removed image [img=http://static1.972mag.com/wp-content/uploads//2015/10/Mufti2.jpg] Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Big Guy Posted October 21, 2015 Report Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) I am glad top see that most Israelis seem to have seen through this. Any pro-Zionists on this board agree with Netanyahu? Hey, I thought it was against the law to question the history of the Holocaust. I guess it is OK if you can use it to push forward the Zionist anti-Palestinian agenda. Edited October 21, 2015 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
msj Posted October 21, 2015 Report Posted October 21, 2015 I sort of think Netanyahu has jumped the shark. Well, maybe that was quite a while ago, but this is some kind of clear confirmation of it to all but the most rabid of supporters. At least he's not blaming the Volkswagen emissions scandal on the Palestinians - not yet anyway. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
sharkman Posted October 21, 2015 Report Posted October 21, 2015 Wait a minute. So Marcus now believes the holocaust occurred? How about you, Big Guy? 6 million Jews exterminated? Quote
Big Guy Posted October 22, 2015 Report Posted October 22, 2015 Wait a minute. So Marcus now believes the holocaust occurred? How about you, Big Guy? 6 million Jews exterminated? Why would you care what I think? You have represented your views in a number of posts. I disagree with your views but have no interest in engaging with personal mudslinging with you. Why would I cooperate with your trying to demean Big Guy. You have already stated that Big Guy is a terrorist sympathizer, anti-Semite, has obviously no understanding of the Middle East and probably illiterate because he does not bother to spend time reading Rue's lengthy, brilliant and impartial analysis of world problems. Why would you seek my opinion? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
msj Posted October 22, 2015 Report Posted October 22, 2015 Why would you care what I think? ... Why would you seek my opinion? Well done sir! Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
sharkman Posted October 22, 2015 Report Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) Why would you care what I think? You have represented your views in a number of posts. I disagree with your views but have no interest in engaging with personal mudslinging with you. Why would I cooperate with your trying to demean Big Guy. You have already stated that Big Guy is a terrorist sympathizer, anti-Semite, has obviously no understanding of the Middle East and probably illiterate because he does not bother to spend time reading Rue's lengthy, brilliant and impartial analysis of world problems. Why would you seek my opinion? Okay, I'm not sure what gets your cold shoulder. Right here last night you thanked me for a polite response.(Post 273) If you don't want to reveal your thoughts in a thread on the topic, then perhaps it's not the thread for you. Edited October 22, 2015 by sharkman Quote
Canada_First Posted October 22, 2015 Report Posted October 22, 2015 If BiBi said it than it is true. He is a great man who actually cares about his citizens. We need to listen to him more closely. He is trying to educate us in the ways of the truth. It only makes sense to listen to him. He is a world leader whos country is constantly under attack by the Arabs surrounding Israel in the West Bank and Gaza. Instead of having a knee jerk reaction I think it would be better to listen and do some research and find facts instead of swallowing whatever the anti semitic people would say. Doesn't make sense to get anti Jewish laws info from the same people who hate the Jews. Quote
msj Posted October 22, 2015 Report Posted October 22, 2015 Okay, I'm not sure what get's your cold shoulder. Right here last night you thanked me for a polite response. If you don't want to reveal your thoughts in a thread on the topic, then perhaps it's not the thread for you. He can answer and reveal whatever the hell he wants to. Your question, however, is irrelevant to the topic at hand which has to do with Netanyahu jumping the shark yet again (no pun intended and any correlation between that phrase and your avatar name is purely coincidental and entirely hilarious....). Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
sharkman Posted October 22, 2015 Report Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) If BiBi said it than it is true. He is a great man who actually cares about his citizens. We need to listen to him more closely. He is trying to educate us in the ways of the truth. It only makes sense to listen to him. He is a world leader whos country is constantly under attack by the Arabs surrounding Israel in the West Bank and Gaza. Instead of having a knee jerk reaction I think it would be better to listen and do some research and find facts instead of swallowing whatever the anti semitic people would say. Doesn't make sense to get anti Jewish laws info from the same people who hate the Jews. Apparently one is not allowed to be critical of Big Guy... Edited October 22, 2015 by sharkman Quote
Canada_First Posted October 22, 2015 Report Posted October 22, 2015 Apparently one is not allowed to be critical of Big Guy... I don't think it's appropriate to criticize a poster but it's certainly ok to attack their positions. Quote
sharkman Posted October 22, 2015 Report Posted October 22, 2015 He can answer and reveal whatever the hell he wants to. Your question, however, is irrelevant to the topic at hand which has to do with Netanyahu jumping the shark yet again (no pun intended and any correlation between that phrase and your avatar name is purely coincidental and entirely hilarious....). You don't think it's appropriate to criticize a poster? Like this? I merely asked where 2 posters stood on a related issue to the holocaust, and there is nothing wrong with that. Quote
Bryan Posted October 22, 2015 Report Posted October 22, 2015 Wait a minute. So Marcus now believes the holocaust occurred? When has he said that he didn't? Quote
msj Posted October 22, 2015 Report Posted October 22, 2015 You don't think it's appropriate to criticize a poster? Like this? I merely asked where 2 posters stood on a related issue to the holocaust, and there is nothing wrong with that. The topic is the point raised by Netanyahu although Angela Merkel has dealt with it fine so probably not much more needs to be said. You want to do a bait and switch and turn this into an ad hominem attack on Big Guy and Marcus which is off topic. Play the ball and not the player. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
sharkman Posted October 22, 2015 Report Posted October 22, 2015 You're not the mod, threads meander back and forth all the time. I'm not sure why you've taken it upon yourself to be the protector of Big Guy and Marcus, but surely they can speak for themselves. Quote
Rue Posted October 22, 2015 Report Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) The hypothesis advanced by the thread starter is incorrect. Netanyahu never stated Hitler did not want to exterminate Jews. That is a falsehood. The subsequent slurring of all Jews who survived the holocaust and fled to Israrel and the slur of all Zionists and Israelis, inferred by some of the subsequent responses should be ignored. They are not germaine to the alleged claims Netanyahu actually made and have been misquoted in the by line and by several participants to this thread. . The Mullah's role, is well documented and the words Netanyahu stated as to what he said are 100% true. He played a principal role in the holocaust. His letters to Eichman urging the use of gas to kill Jews faster and more efficiently rather than shoot them is public fact. The connection between Nazism and the Palestinian militant movement is public fact. So is the post war importing of Nazis to Egypt, Syria and Iraq by the Mullah to run their armies and communications Ministries and continue a war to kill off Jews world wide which remains in the Hamas and Hezbollah Charters. The pretext of trying to claim the Mullah was not a Nazi and Netanyahu is a Nazi speaks for itself. Its just more of the same anti Israel, anti Zionist diatribes .In fact its part of a p.r. counter offensive by Mr. Abbas' office as pay back for Netanyahu criticizing Abbas for refusing to denounce the latest round of violence. Abbas wrote a book full of false accusations debunked back in 1984. http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Cro...nslated-390468 It was circulated across the ME and every time there is a media offensive by Netanyahu against the PA, the Netanyahu is a Nazi spin is thrown back at him complete with the Zionists are Nazis, Netanyahu is a Nazi spin. Netanyahu never claimed Hitler was not responsible for the holocaust. That is false. I challenge anyone to provide the words where he said that. They do not exist. As for the role of the Mullah, yhe only way to deal with people who depend on your ignorance of history to spin denials and revision of it is to simply provide counter information, i.e., https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com...zi-connection/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRER1UfGH3g http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2120...zis-ari-soffer http://www.militantislammonitor.org/...d/2543?id=2543 http://www.hirhome.com/israel/nazis_palestinians.htm http://www.jewishmag.com/116mag/chuc...chuckmorse.htm Those who try deny that the Mullah was a principal player in the holocaust and the no.1 agent of pushing to use cynide gas to exterminate Jews more quickly depend on your ignorance of history. They also depend on you not understanding the connection between Hitler and the Mullah in the 1930's before WW2 started and post WW2 when thousands of Nazis moved to Syria, Irag and Egypt and continued their war to rid the world of Jews which continues today. Netanyahu's point was the inciting of the last violence uses the same false accusations Jews are trying to take over the mount as the Mullah used in the past to incite violence. Its not an accident the Charter of Hamas talks about world wide killing of all Jews not just dismantling Israel. As for Abbas, his denial of the holocaust and his doctorate thesis from Moscow are public domain. Edited October 22, 2015 by Rue Quote
Big Guy Posted October 22, 2015 Report Posted October 22, 2015 Okay, I'm not sure what gets your cold shoulder. Right here last night you thanked me for a polite response.(Post 273) If you don't want to reveal your thoughts in a thread on the topic, then perhaps it's not the thread for you. You were baiting. I chose not to bite. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
sharkman Posted October 22, 2015 Report Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) Wow, then you deny that 6 million were gassed. Somehow I'm not surprised. In other threads I've watched you belittle the holocaust, but you've been careful not to come out on one side or another on the belief question, but it's obvious. Thank you for your response. Edited October 22, 2015 by sharkman Quote
BubberMiley Posted October 22, 2015 Report Posted October 22, 2015 Wow, then you deny that 6 million were gassed. I'll bite! What makes you think they were all gassed? Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
sharkman Posted October 22, 2015 Report Posted October 22, 2015 Hi Bubber, I'm going to go ahead and assume that you are responding to me since, once again, you posted right after me. As you know, I have you on ignore since you had become so silly and idiotic you weren't worth bothering with anymore. So I can't read you post. However, I will make this offer to you. If you want to converse with me on any topic, simply message me and I will respond there. I warn you though, I will not be kind. Quote
marcus Posted October 22, 2015 Author Report Posted October 22, 2015 This is what Netanyahu said in his speech to the World Zionist Congress on Monday: Hitler didn’t want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews. And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, “If you expel them, they’ll all come here.” “So what should I do with them?” he asked. He said, “Burn them.” Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
The_Squid Posted October 22, 2015 Report Posted October 22, 2015 Netenyahu is a nut. It's not a wonder there wasn't any progress towards peace in the ME when he was in power. Every historian has come out and said he is being revisionist. Which is just as bad as the holocaust deniers. Quote
The_Squid Posted October 22, 2015 Report Posted October 22, 2015 ... As you know, I have you on ignore ... So you have him on "ignore", and yet you choose not to ignore him. hmmm... for some reason I am doubting your story! LOL Quote
msj Posted October 22, 2015 Report Posted October 22, 2015 You're not the mod, threads meander back and forth all the time. I'm not sure why you've taken it upon yourself to be the protector of Big Guy and Marcus, but surely they can speak for themselves. I'm not protecting them. I am pointing out to you that you are doing a bait and switch into irrelevant ad hominemisms. Big Guy and Marcus have done a fine job in how they have responded to your irrelevant question which I think is funny. The relevant point here is what Netanyahu is stating and how this reflects on his credibility (or lack thereof). How he is trying to revise/reframe the Holocaust for his own political purposes and how clumsily he has done it is open for discussion. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
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