poochy Posted March 10, 2016 Report Posted March 10, 2016 Yeah - because they softened their positions for the electorat Best you could do i guess, 9 years in power,won 100 seats, but now they must become more like the liberals if the ever hope of being elected, sure.
Smallc Posted March 10, 2016 Report Posted March 10, 2016 Best you could do i guess, 9 years in power,won 100 seats, but now they must become more like the liberals They already were like the Liberals. The parts where they weren't were the reasons that they lost.
Newfoundlander Posted March 10, 2016 Report Posted March 10, 2016 People criticize the Conservatives for being too far right and being social conservatives but I never get a clear answers on how they are. There's definitely scattered policies but I can't think of how social conservatism - for instance - has played a fundamental role in policy decisions.
Argus Posted March 10, 2016 Report Posted March 10, 2016 (edited) They already were like the Liberals. The parts where they weren't were the reasons that they lost. They lost not because of policies but because Harper was Mr. Bland instead of Mr Sunshine. Edited March 10, 2016 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 10, 2016 Report Posted March 10, 2016 (edited) People criticize the Conservatives for being too far right and being social conservatives but I never get a clear answers on how they are. There's definitely scattered policies but I can't think of how social conservatism - for instance - has played a fundamental role in policy decisions. Progressives are extremely suspicious, to the point of paranoia, about people who don't think exactly as they do. They assumed the conservatives were simply hiding their determination to murder all homosexuals and put all abortion doctors in prison. It's what they wanted, you know! Just give them half a chance and that's what they'll do!! They're all racist nazi homophobic killers from the planet neptune! The Conservatives will let you be anti-abortion, or pro-choice. You can be for or against the death penalty. You can be for or against assisted suicide, or for or against gay marriage. You can believe in climate change, or not That kind of openness to different viewpoints is anathema to progressives. You have no such rights in the NDP or Liberal party. Your choices are made by those who have your best interests at heart and you better follow them or else! Edited March 10, 2016 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted March 10, 2016 Report Posted March 10, 2016 They lost not because of policies but because Harper was Mr. Bland instead of Mr Sunshine. They lost because your mr. bland kept trying to ram through bills that contravened the charter. The rest of us got tired of paying the tab for the SCC to point that out over and over.
Argus Posted March 10, 2016 Report Posted March 10, 2016 (edited) They lost because your mr. bland kept trying to ram through bills that contravened the charter. The rest of us got tired of paying the tab for the SCC to point that out over and over. Only hysterical leftists cared about that. Most people didn't even notice or care. Most likely because that was mostly in the minds of the Left, rather than a reality. The popular view that the relationship between the Conservative government under Stephen Harper and the Supreme Court of Canada was especially hostile appears to be misguided, a new study concludes. http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/relationship-between-stephen-harper-and-supreme-court-not-especially-hostile-study-finds Edited March 10, 2016 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted March 10, 2016 Report Posted March 10, 2016 Only hysterical leftists cared about that. Most people didn't even notice or care. Most likely because that was mostly in the minds of the Left, rather than a reality. http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/relationship-between-stephen-harper-and-supreme-court-not-especially-hostile-study-finds Sorry, but the polls say otherwise.
Argus Posted March 10, 2016 Report Posted March 10, 2016 (edited) Sorry, but the polls say otherwise. Really? You have a poll which shows that a large number of Canadian voters were concerned about Harper's bills being overruled by the Supreme Court? I'd be interested in seeing them please. My understanding was they mostly cared about the economy, but of course, I'm more than willing to learn... Edited March 10, 2016 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted March 10, 2016 Report Posted March 10, 2016 They lost not because of policies but because Harper was Mr. Bland instead of Mr Sunshine. Canadians disagreed with the more conservative parts of their agenda.
On Guard for Thee Posted March 10, 2016 Report Posted March 10, 2016 Really? You have a poll which shows that a large number of Canadian voters were concerned about Harper's bills being overruled by the Supreme Court? I'd be interested in seeing them please. My understanding was they mostly cared about the economy, but of course, I'm more than willing to learn... Oh there certainly was also concern for the economy. And that also helped get Harper out of government. I reckon that extra $150 billion to the debt helped with that decision. As to failed bills, it's hard to know where to begin: I guess c51 was one of the worst, but then there was c24, c31, mandatory minimum sentencing, assisted suicide, marijuana, senate reform, Marc Nadon, trying to close down insight, and on and on.
Argus Posted March 11, 2016 Report Posted March 11, 2016 Canadians disagreed with the more conservative parts of their agenda. Like what? The most conservative part of their agenda was cracking down on crime, and everyone I know, regardless of what party they support, favoured that. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 11, 2016 Report Posted March 11, 2016 (edited) Oh there certainly was also concern for the economy. And that also helped get Harper out of government. I reckon that extra $150 billion to the debt helped with that decision. As to failed bills, it's hard to know where to begin: I guess c51 was one of the worst, but then there was c24, c31, mandatory minimum sentencing, assisted suicide, marijuana, senate reform, Marc Nadon, trying to close down insight, and on and on. So in other words... you don't have anything? Only the politicized types put much effort into thinking about the supreme court. Most people barely gave it a thought. Edited March 11, 2016 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
cybercoma Posted March 11, 2016 Author Report Posted March 11, 2016 Argus should be the next leader of the CPC.
Smallc Posted March 11, 2016 Report Posted March 11, 2016 Like what? The most conservative part of their agenda was cracking down on crime, and everyone I know, regardless of what party they support, favoured that. I don't really count the illegal stuff.
On Guard for Thee Posted March 11, 2016 Report Posted March 11, 2016 So in other words... you don't have anything? Only the politicized types put much effort into thinking about the supreme court. Most people barely gave it a thought. Apparently Harper didn't think much about the SCC either.
The_Squid Posted April 5, 2016 Report Posted April 5, 2016 (edited) Kellie Leitch sounds like the first person to kick-off the leadership race. Dr. Leitch was at the forefront of the "Barbaric Cultural Practices" tip line. I wonder if she will come out and admit how wrong she was in supporting that sort of nasty "identity politics" nonsense. I thought she was a reasonable person and would have made a good leadership candidate until she was involved in that debacle. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-leadership-race-1.3519593 Edited April 5, 2016 by The_Squid
Argus Posted April 6, 2016 Report Posted April 6, 2016 Kellie Leitch sounds like the first person to kick-off the leadership race. Dr. Leitch was at the forefront of the "Barbaric Cultural Practices" tip line. I wonder if she will come out and admit how wrong she was in supporting that sort of nasty "identity politics" nonsense. I thought she was a reasonable person and would have made a good leadership candidate until she was involved in that debacle. Believe it or not, they probably won't even consider which candidates will be most acceptable to hard core left wing voters. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
The_Squid Posted April 6, 2016 Report Posted April 6, 2016 Believe it or not, they probably won't even consider which candidates will be most acceptable to hard core left wing voters. Believe it ir not, the CPC are going to have to convince a few moderate people to vote for them
dre Posted April 6, 2016 Report Posted April 6, 2016 Believe it ir not, the CPC are going to have to convince a few moderate people to vote for them What? You mean they cant win elections with Argus, his brother Darryl, and his other brother Darryl? I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
waldo Posted April 6, 2016 Report Posted April 6, 2016 Believe it or not, they probably won't even consider which candidates will be most acceptable to hard core left wing voters. oh my! Is it your interpretation that the Liberal majority was won at the voting hands of your described "hard core left-wing voters"? .
cybercoma Posted April 6, 2016 Author Report Posted April 6, 2016 Prediction: CPC and NDP see the success of Trump and Sanders respectively. Both parties seek out even more radical right wing and left wing leaders as a result. This cements the Liberals as the moderate and centrist choice. Trudeau will be PM for 20 years consequently. lol
PIK Posted April 6, 2016 Report Posted April 6, 2016 Nobody needs to do nothing, trudeau himself will bring down the liberals. When a female TO Star reporter starts complaining how tired people are getting with trudeau's penchant for the camera , there is trouble coming. There is a reason the liberals are keeping him out of country. Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Argus Posted April 6, 2016 Report Posted April 6, 2016 Believe it ir not, the CPC are going to have to convince a few moderate people to vote for them I do believe it. I just don't believe you fall into that category. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted April 6, 2016 Report Posted April 6, 2016 oh my! Is it your interpretation that the Liberal majority was won at the voting hands of your described "hard core left-wing voters"? . There are people - like you, for example - who can be relied on to vote Liberal. There are others who can be relied on to vote Conservative or NDP. The only group which really matters is those who are not committed and will switch back and forth. Those are the only people the Tories need to worry about attracting. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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